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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 30, 2014 10:35:59 GMT -5
Entirety of 80s was PG. Dumb argument for anyone to make. I'm not sure he's talking about content in that way (sex, hardcore stuff, swearing...though given that this is Scott Steiner, I suppose anything is possible); more that things are so corporatized and competition is so minimal that it's created a structure where creativity is basically dead, nobody takes chances, that sort of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 10:41:18 GMT -5
Entirety of 80s was PG. Dumb argument for anyone to make. I'm not sure he's talking about content in that way (sex, hardcore stuff, swearing...though given that this is Scott Steiner, I suppose anything is possible); more that things are so corporatized and competition is so minimal that it's created a structure where creativity is basically dead, nobody takes chances, that sort of thing. Right, and it's Scott Steiner, he's not going to express himself that gracefully. Rather than talking about lack of creativity and the WWE power structure, it's easier to say PG BLOWS DUDE.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 30, 2014 10:55:52 GMT -5
Entirety of 80s was PG. Dumb argument for anyone to make. I'm not sure he's talking about content in that way (sex, hardcore stuff, swearing...though given that this is Scott Steiner, I suppose anything is possible); more that things are so corporatized and competition is so minimal that it's created a structure where creativity is basically dead, nobody takes chances, that sort of thing. Fair enough; it just feels like he's checking off all the 'smark boxes'.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 30, 2014 10:57:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure he's talking about content in that way (sex, hardcore stuff, swearing...though given that this is Scott Steiner, I suppose anything is possible); more that things are so corporatized and competition is so minimal that it's created a structure where creativity is basically dead, nobody takes chances, that sort of thing. Fair enough; it just feels like he's checking off all the 'smark boxes'. Oh, I wouldn't put it past him; guy still has a brand to sell to the public, of course.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 30, 2014 11:03:22 GMT -5
Entirety of 80s was PG. Dumb argument for anyone to make. Wasn't WCW also always rated PG?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 11:08:40 GMT -5
Before I die I want to see Batista and Steiner team up.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 30, 2014 11:12:42 GMT -5
Entirety of 80s was PG. Dumb argument for anyone to make. Wasn't WCW also always rated PG? Steiner hated that they were PG too saying people were tuning out to watch Stone Cold. Said it live on air too. Pipe bomb!
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 30, 2014 11:17:58 GMT -5
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Post by TGM on Jul 30, 2014 11:18:41 GMT -5
Well, he's not exactly wrong.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 30, 2014 12:31:23 GMT -5
I'm glad Steiner finally gave his opinion on this because everybody knows...wants to know
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jul 30, 2014 12:32:35 GMT -5
I'd say his attitude towards how misleading social media can be if you're a promoter and you take certain numbers at face value is pretty spot on. Just because somebody follows you on twitter doesn't mean they'll pay any money to see you.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jul 30, 2014 12:53:00 GMT -5
"The ‘PG era’ blows. The best time in wrestling was with the nWo and the Monday Night War between WCW and WWE. You had competition. Now there is no competition. I feel bad for the guys and the wrestlers coming up now. They are slotted into a character that sometimes they can’t even do. Most of the time it’s bull****, and it sucks. I wouldn’t want to do it. You have a stupid character to do, but if you don’t do it, you don’t have a job." It's such a pity you wouldn't want to do it, Steiner, 'cos I bet Vince is just falling over himself to try and hire you. Everything Steiner has done in the last 20 or so years blows too, so what's his point? None of us fans have done great in ring work lately, but we read and respect eachother's opinions. I look at Scott as just another person with an opinion on some entertainment, he thinks the current product blows and prefers the 90s. Not an opinion that hasn't been said by somebody on this board I'm sure. I don't get why the urge to insult Scott would come from him posting that opinion. Stone Cold and various veterans have said similar, that in WWE you don't have the freedom to do your own thing nearly as much now, which can squash potential stars. I don't think WWE currently blows, but I think Scott has valid points there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 13:39:33 GMT -5
I agree with the subtler point he's making: there are many occasions where WWE has given a wrestler bad material to work with and due to the way the company is set up, there's no reliable way to appeal it. If you get a wuss angle like Ryder got, or a costume gimmick like Sandow, or an insufferable loser character like Adam Rose, or a boring troll like Drew McIntyre, you have no choices but to either work with it or walk. Neither is a good one. For every Dean Ambrose or Roman Reigns, there's 3 or 4 people with really bad characters that are inherently extremely difficult to get over, given the ways they're presented and booked. In the older eras of wrestling, you had mobility. If you got slated with something bad, you could go somewhere else. Since you previously had national exposure, the company would often be like "Hey, you've got potential, let's give you something good!" and voila, you got a second chance. Now, there's not really a viable option. Rose came up with his own gimmick.
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Post by molson5 on Jul 30, 2014 15:01:07 GMT -5
When you let wrestlers develop their own characters, pretty much every one goes with "cool heel." That was OK in the 90s when it was something new, but I have no desire to revisit it.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 30, 2014 15:22:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 15:24:30 GMT -5
I agree with the subtler point he's making: there are many occasions where WWE has given a wrestler bad material to work with and due to the way the company is set up, there's no reliable way to appeal it. If you get a wuss angle like Ryder got, or a costume gimmick like Sandow, or an insufferable loser character like Adam Rose, or a boring troll like Drew McIntyre, you have no choices but to either work with it or walk. Neither is a good one. For every Dean Ambrose or Roman Reigns, there's 3 or 4 people with really bad characters that are inherently extremely difficult to get over, given the ways they're presented and booked. In the older eras of wrestling, you had mobility. If you got slated with something bad, you could go somewhere else. Since you previously had national exposure, the company would often be like "Hey, you've got potential, let's give you something good!" and voila, you got a second chance. Now, there's not really a viable option. Rose came up with his own gimmick. ...ew, really? What's wrong with him?
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Post by keezy on Jul 30, 2014 15:24:56 GMT -5
He has a point when it comes to guys like Adam Rose, Fandango, Brodus Clay, etc. Guys who were doing perfectly fine and had unique characters before becoming dancing buffoons.
PG has nothing to do with it though, TNA isn't PG and look how they're doing, and guys in the attitude era and WCW had stupid gimmicks too, Beaver Cleavage, Sexual Chocolate, Kwee Wee, The Maestro, Yeti, etc.
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Post by Indiana Miz on Jul 30, 2014 15:25:03 GMT -5
Weird that he says that when the Steiners were in the WWE at a time when they were arguably more gimmicky and definitely more family-friendly.
I'd prefer wrestlers with "stupid characters" over a roster full of dull guys like Luther Reigns or the Basham Brothers any day.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jul 30, 2014 16:32:19 GMT -5
I think it's harsh to label the entire product as "blowing". I find the quality of wrestling in this "PG era" is actually the best Ive ever seen in almost 25 years of WWF/E.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 30, 2014 18:12:18 GMT -5
Wasn't WCW also always rated PG? Steiner hated that they were PG too saying people were tuning out to watch Stone Cold. Said it live on air too. Pipe bomb! Right, but he also said this: and WCW was PG then. It was also at its most successful while being PG.
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