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Post by olympicgoldmedalist on Jul 31, 2014 23:54:02 GMT -5
Is there a debate as to who goes over? Could you realistically give Taker 2 back to back WM defeats? Is that how you close out his career? Or do you bring Sting in after all these years just to have him lose his only WWE match? My personal, fantasy scenario-even before the end of the streak-was this: Undertaker gets the pin, but instead of the usual scenario of him delivering a finisher and the other guy having to lay selling it, he just barely pulls it off; hooks the leg, Sting kicks out just as the three is counted, and Undertaker falls back against the ropes, completely spent, as Sting slams his fist to the mat in frustration. The two of them slowly stand up and state off, sizing each other up. Undertaker slowly holds his hand out, offering it up. Sting glances at the crowd, asking their decision-and they roar approval. He takes the offered hand, they shake, share a short embrace of friendship, and then raise each other arms in triumph. So no matter the result, they both walk out winners with nothing more to prove. You don't think that might make some fans mad?
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Jul 31, 2014 23:57:35 GMT -5
On the crowd: Never underestimate them. This match has been the internet wet dream for nearly a decade and if it starts to fail I can easily see people turning on it. I don't expect it but it would not shock me. On the WWE ring: It is not working WWE style, I don't see Vince, Hunter and Taker expecting that, it is working in a ring far larger than anything else you have ever been in, with ropes you're not used to in a match you have said you want to be your last, on the biggest possible stage of all. No amount of practice can get you ready for all of that and Taker this year is proof of that. Can you name one Mania crowd that have shit on a Mania match between two stars as big as Taker/Sting? There's been some awful Mania matches and the only one truly shit on by the crowd I can think of is Goldberg/Lesnar, and despite the fact it was awful, it was shit on more for the crowd knowing both of them were leaving. I think practice can get you ready. I have no doubts in my mind that Sting would park his ass in Orlando and get used to the WWE ring, at least in terms of bouncing off ropes and getting used to taking a bump on the WWE mat. It's Sting. It's not Magnus or some neophyte. The guy has what, 30-35 years of ring experience? I don't think Taker is the right comparison though, Taker may be broken beyond repair and I'm more worried about him than Sting. Sting's "less" broken and is just getting old. Sting's TNA run was nothing to remember all told, but he was capable of decent matches on occasion and he had matches far more regularly than Taker over the last 5 or so years. I think he more than any of us understands what this match would mean for him going into the end of his career. It's huge. I can't put it past him working his ass off to give us at least a watchable match. What I want to know is, if Taker can't go anymore, then who does Sting get in the ring with? I think that's a very viable question. We're not guaranteed this match at all.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 31, 2014 23:58:44 GMT -5
Something I would do but I don't see it being popular, if you must do Sting and Taker, do it at Summerslam and not Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania, put them in a tag against someone, hell the Wyatt Family against Sting and Taker would be huge I think. Sting could get that Mania match, be surrounded by 4 good workers so there can be cover if something messes up and there is no possible issue over who wins. Then that next night on RAW, Taker and Sting go face to face and agree to a match at Summerslam where there is less pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 23:59:59 GMT -5
It's not a match I've ever really wanted to see, but so long as they could manage something decent (big if, after Sting / Magnus and Taker / Lesnar) the crowd would elevate it to amazing. Also, I'm kind of inclined to think with the Streak over, if it happens Sting should win. Not at all something I would've thought before, but with that no longer on the table, if the match occurs then I think they should frame it as the last remnant of WCW showing up for one blaze of glory to retire Taker and himself.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Aug 1, 2014 0:00:34 GMT -5
You're talking about Raw or Smackdown audiences. Mania audiences are a whole different ballgame. I've been to two Manias in the last 15 years (2000 and 29), and while 2000 was an Attitude era crowd and in an arena and hard to compare to a stadium, the 29 crowd was overwhelmingly die hard fans from all over the world. It's legit like the world's biggest wrestling fan convention. It's not a Mania crowd in Akron on a random Monday in October, those are the crowds I'd be concerned with. D: almost made it to WM in New Orleans as that's the closest they've been while having the means. Worth the $? I didn't really spend what other people have spent. I was living in CA in 2000 so we drove and the tickets were comps. I live about 5 miles from Met-Life Stadium now, so I took a train to Wrestlemania 29. The only major cost were the tickets and for one session of Axxcess. I also went to WrestleCon that week cause it was all over the place here. It was definitely worth the money. I dunno if I'd travel thousands of miles for it even if I never went, but I've been lucky to have it twice near where I was living at the time and that made it a much easier sell.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Aug 1, 2014 0:13:44 GMT -5
If they do the match right, they'll both come out smelling like roses no matter who wins, as Stone Cold says. But if it's at WrestleMania, I'd like Undertaker to win it. Plus kayfabe wise, I'd personally think he should win in general over Sting.
Would be a fun spectacle to see.
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Post by sonofblaine on Aug 1, 2014 0:28:09 GMT -5
Maybe if they used WM31 to hype it for WM32, like the year long Cena/Rock. Then both guys could have that time to train their asses off and get into peak condition for what they could hype as Taker's retirement match.
I just remember the Taker/Lesnar match being uncomfortable and sad to watch, and not because of the loss, I'm over that. Emotionally, great match. Physically, Taker seemed a shadow of himself, even compared to the prior couple of years.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 1, 2014 0:39:50 GMT -5
I know it's one of the big fantasy booker matches left to see, but honestly I really don't want to see this.
I watched Stings last couple years in TNA and lets just say they were less than stellar. While Taker.....sigh that dude is held together by more duct tape, spit and chicken wire than Kurt Angle is.
Both these guys got nothing left to prove in the ring. I'd rather just remember all the good moments they gave me over the past 20 years instead of what will be a couple 50 year olds limping around a ring busting their asses trying to have a good match (cause you know they both will), but failing due to the fact that they just don't have it in their bodies anymore. In their hearts....sure, but not in their bodies anymore. Don't need no more cameraphone videos of Taker struggling to walk and get into the travel bus the day after the match again.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 1, 2014 6:27:00 GMT -5
By this point in time I have more doubts about Taker than I do Sting. I'm really not sure if he's coming back, or if he physically should.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 6:43:19 GMT -5
I want to see it, but only as a last match for both and only if it happens within the year. They are too old already, and in a year the newness of Sting in WWE and the shock of the streak' s end will be gone.
If one or both men aren't in good enough shape, make it a tag match of The Brothers Of Destruction vs Sting and Cena or something like that, although I would prefer one on one if they can pull it off.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 1, 2014 8:48:32 GMT -5
My personal, fantasy scenario-even before the end of the streak-was this: Undertaker gets the pin, but instead of the usual scenario of him delivering a finisher and the other guy having to lay selling it, he just barely pulls it off; hooks the leg, Sting kicks out just as the three is counted, and Undertaker falls back against the ropes, completely spent, as Sting slams his fist to the mat in frustration. The two of them slowly stand up and state off, sizing each other up. Undertaker slowly holds his hand out, offering it up. Sting glances at the crowd, asking their decision-and they roar approval. He takes the offered hand, they shake, share a short embrace of friendship, and then raise each other arms in triumph. So no matter the result, they both walk out winners with nothing more to prove. You don't think that might make some fans mad? Honestly-no. With two names like them, you really don't need a straight up face or straight up heel, the sheer novelty of two such legends more than makes up for the lack of such a dynamic. It didn't make fans mad when Hogan and Savage had such a moment back in the 80's, it didn't make fans mad for Shawn Michaels and Rick Flair to have such a moment in the last decade, and I doubt it would make very many mad for Undertaker and Sting to have such a moment now.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Aug 2, 2014 6:38:49 GMT -5
Like I said before I have zero interest whatsoever seeing a match between them.
I can see why its a dream match but honestly its time has long since passed by. Taker's match against Brock showed that in between WM 29 and 30 ring wise he aged 50 years and that he should retire as he looked he was going to keel over by the end up. Sting on the other hand during the past few years has been on and off and it would be lame sendoff to both if they did indeed have that WM match and ended up stinking up the joint and I would just rather see Sting get inducted into the HOF and be done.
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Post by phen0m2112 on Aug 2, 2014 7:16:36 GMT -5
If they both came out to absolutely no music, no pyro, no embellishment of any kind, stared at each other for 20 minutes and then leave with nary a word spoken, I would Markus Maximus.
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Post by What? on Aug 2, 2014 9:07:48 GMT -5
I'm honestly not worried about Undertaker. That concussion he had against Brock knocked him off the tracks during that match. I'd bet it would have been a different match had it not been for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 9:26:37 GMT -5
The Taker/Brock match didn't prove anything about Taker not being able to go anymore.
Taker got hurt DURING the match. That's why the match sucked. It didn't suck because Taker is washed up and can't go anymore.
For all I know, maybe he is washed up and can't go anymore. But I don't know that and neither do you. The match does not give you that information.
If 2 minutes into the HHH/Bryan match, HHH screwed up and dropped Bryan on his head outside the ring, then Bryan was woozy for the rest of the match causing the match to suck....would that mean Bryan sucks and should stop wrestling? Of course not.
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