Sephiroth
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Aug 8, 2014 12:54:05 GMT -5
Post by Sephiroth on Aug 8, 2014 12:54:05 GMT -5
Oh, what can one say about it? I mean, other than that it was trash.
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Aug 8, 2014 14:08:14 GMT -5
Post by mysterious on Aug 8, 2014 14:08:14 GMT -5
I'm sure no true wrestling fan would've know who Kristi Myst, Veronica Caine or Jessica Darlin were if it wasn't for XPW.
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Phil Parent
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Aug 8, 2014 16:21:56 GMT -5
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Post by Phil Parent on Aug 8, 2014 16:21:56 GMT -5
They had an identity... besides the ECW castoffs, they had their own little roster: Messiah, Kaos, Rizzono, Pogo, Homeless Jimmy... I remember when I did either EWR or even before that, Promotion Wars roster updates, their fans defended their guys with a lot of passion. They thought the world of their XPW stars, and I thought they were the shits. My data, so they were the shits.
And the owner was a scumbag.
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Brood Lone Wolf Funker
Ozymandius
Got fined anyway. Possibly a Moose
James Franco is the white Donald Glover
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Aug 8, 2014 18:15:19 GMT -5
Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Aug 8, 2014 18:15:19 GMT -5
It did give some of the most uncomfortable promo's with Tool and also Pogo was unsettling. I do agree Rob Black was a scumbag
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chazraps
Wade Wilson
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Aug 8, 2014 18:45:14 GMT -5
Post by chazraps on Aug 8, 2014 18:45:14 GMT -5
I got five free XPW VHS tapes from a highspots order about a year ago. What makes them a fascinating watch it to look at what the wrestling boom meant to emerging indies in '99. This was a promotion who booked their first show around a Big Dick Dudley appearance, and turned it into a TV deal and a nationwide cult following. As the shows continue on following the closing of WCW and ECW, and then as other indies started to have their shake-ups, XPW just keeps stylistically starts bumping itself against the wall. Not off the wall, rather, it keeps being a product of circumstance.
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Mozenrath
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Aug 8, 2014 18:48:25 GMT -5
Post by Mozenrath on Aug 8, 2014 18:48:25 GMT -5
Angel the Hardcore Homo was at least kind of interesting.
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jagilki
Patti Mayonnaise
Nobody notices him; No, we noticed him
f*** Cancer
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Aug 8, 2014 19:08:10 GMT -5
Post by jagilki on Aug 8, 2014 19:08:10 GMT -5
They had an identity... besides the ECW castoffs, they had their own little roster: Messiah, Kaos, Rizzono, Pogo, Homeless Jimmy... I remember when I did either EWR or even before that, Promotion Wars roster updates, their fans defended their guys with a lot of passion. They thought the world of their XPW stars, and I thought they were the shits. My data, so they were the shits. And the owner was a scumbag.
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Tony Schiavontay
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Aug 8, 2014 21:55:38 GMT -5
Post by Tony Schiavontay on Aug 8, 2014 21:55:38 GMT -5
It's sooooooo terrible to the point that it's kind of a guilty pleasure of mine, though I feel like I have to take a shower after watching it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 22:02:06 GMT -5
Angel the Hardcore Homo was at least kind of interesting. He was a pretty decent worker and took some sick bumps. Outside of the Messiah, I think he's the one XPW original who would've succeeded in ECW.
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Aug 8, 2014 22:02:16 GMT -5
Post by ZombieElvis on Aug 8, 2014 22:02:16 GMT -5
Will wrestle for porn tapes!
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Lupin the Third
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 8, 2014 22:30:33 GMT -5
It's sooooooo terrible to the point that it's kind of a guilty pleasure of mine, though I feel like I have to take a shower after watching it. Like Wrestling Society X for me, except without the feeling of taking a shower afterwards.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Aug 9, 2014 0:51:58 GMT -5
I liked XPW. ¬_¬
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Dragonfly
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Post by Dragonfly on Aug 9, 2014 2:01:24 GMT -5
I first started watching wrestling in December of 1999. The WWF is all I really had as far as televised shows go. WCW was a joke, the local shows were long gone by that point and I couldn't ever figure out when ECW was on. (I only ended up see one episode of Hardcore TV first run: their last one.) One day during the summer of 2000, I found a show called XPW. It only aired in two locations at that point: Pittsburgh and Orange County. It was awful, but it was different. Really different.
The appeal for me wasn't the wrestling. The in-ring stuff, which was a mix hardcore nonsense and bizarre old-school tactics (they loved the old "powder in the eyes" spot, for example), was as awful as advertised. It was the non-wrestling stuff that caught my attention. It was bad in every sense of the word, but they reveled in it. The result was the wrestling equivalent of a tongue-in-cheek B-grade horror film. Hardcore Jesus? Sure. R-Truth as Malcolm X's disowned son K. Malik Shabazz? Why not? A neo-Nazi porn director who had a burning hatred against Sulu? (Not George Takei, mind you. Sulu.) Okay then. Trailer trash, bad John Wayne Gacy impersonations, whatever the hell Supreme was supposed to be... it was awful. And awesome.
In short, I do enjoy the "violent crap." Just don't make me defend the wrestling or Rob Black, okay?
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Post by eDemento2099 on Aug 9, 2014 2:20:18 GMT -5
There's a reason why I have been using the same signature caption on FAN for years.
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Tony Schiavontay
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Aug 9, 2014 4:04:57 GMT -5
Post by Tony Schiavontay on Aug 9, 2014 4:04:57 GMT -5
It's sooooooo terrible to the point that it's kind of a guilty pleasure of mine, though I feel like I have to take a shower after watching it. Like Wrestling Society X for me, except without the feeling of taking a shower afterwards. I've actually never seen WSX at all but it sounds absolutely ridiculous and they had some really awesome guys. I've always wanted to check it out because it sounds like it would be up my alley.
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Lupin the Third
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Aug 9, 2014 9:27:52 GMT -5
Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 9, 2014 9:27:52 GMT -5
Like Wrestling Society X for me, except without the feeling of taking a shower afterwards. I've actually never seen WSX at all but it sounds absolutely ridiculous and they had some really awesome guys. I've always wanted to check it out because it sounds like it would be up my alley. If I could sum it up, it would be this: Exploding coffins, Piranhas, and Exploding Cages.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Aug 9, 2014 10:17:00 GMT -5
I first started watching wrestling in December of 1999. The WWF is all I really had as far as televised shows go. WCW was a joke, the local shows were long gone by that point and I couldn't ever figure out when ECW was on. (I only ended up see one episode of Hardcore TV first run: their last one.) One day during the summer of 2000, I found a show called XPW. It only aired in two locations at that point: Pittsburgh and Orange County. It was awful, but it was different. Really different. The appeal for me wasn't the wrestling. The in-ring stuff, which was a mix hardcore nonsense and bizarre old-school tactics (they loved the old "powder in the eyes" spot, for example), was as awful as advertised. It was the non-wrestling stuff that caught my attention. It was bad in every sense of the word, but they reveled in it. The result was the wrestling equivalent of a tongue-in-cheek B-grade horror film. Hardcore Jesus? Sure. R-Truth as Malcolm X's disowned son K. Malik Shabazz? Why not? A neo-Nazi porn director who had a burning hatred against Sulu? (Not George Takei, mind you. Sulu.) Okay then. Trailer trash, bad John Wayne Gacy impersonations, whatever the hell Supreme was supposed to be... it was awful. And awesome. In short, I do enjoy the "violent crap." Just don't make me defend the wrestling or Rob Black, okay? It's like exploitation wrestling.
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Aug 9, 2014 11:34:07 GMT -5
Post by Ashy Larry on Aug 9, 2014 11:34:07 GMT -5
XPW had terrible television the first few years they were in existence which has been confirmed by a lot of ex-talent, I even have some of the early episodes. Their later stuff from mid 2002 - 2003 had solid wrestling with the likes of Matt Cross, Josh Prohibition, Luke Hawx, Juvi "The Juice" Guerrera, Shane Douglas, Justin Credible, and others. The East Coast stuff that they did was their best stuff. It wasn't all Sports Entertainment like the first 3 years of XPW. I just wish somebody had the later stuff on DVDR, it is extremely rare. Rob Black later sold XPW to XEG (the company that put out Ghetto Brawls and Backyard Wrestling) in which a lot of the former XPW talent were used on the Backyard Wrestling game along with the remaining XPW footage. There was a reunion show held in 2008 in which Rob Black, Messiah, and Kristi Myst were banned from appearing because Kleinrock was on bad terms with them. As a result, they had a Vince McMahon impostor cut a promo saying "Rob Black couldn't be at the show because he couldn't beat the government". It was more of a WSX reunion if anything under the XPW banner. WSX was also produced by Kleinrock and Rob Black was in a creative advisory role for the show according to his recent podcast/radio show. Rob Black was able to buy back some of his XPW stuff from them as of recently and keeps talking about a relaunch, he may have the name again since Houston Curtis took down the XPW listing from his websites. They did put out a sequel to their "Best of XPW" ppv this year titled "The Best Of XPW: Wildest Deathmatches". Shane Douglas still owns some of the XPW library and Johnny Webb owns backups of all the episodes up to early 2003 since he left XPW a few months before they went out. There was a plan to do Messiah vs Tommy Dreamer at a MEXPRO event last year but didn't due to unfortunate circumstances. Messiah and Kaos were the only major stars XPW created as Messiah had a way better run in CZW and Kaos has been a huge name in SoCal. It's surprising that Dixie Carter didn't bring in XPW guys to combat Team 3D/Tommy Dreamer as it was a better funnier ECW knockoff than the 2009 WWECW. That would have been the subject of some hilarious threads.
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Dragonfly
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Aug 9, 2014 12:43:53 GMT -5
Post by Dragonfly on Aug 9, 2014 12:43:53 GMT -5
XPW had terrible television the first few years they were in existence which has been confirmed by a lot of ex-talent, I even have some of the early episodes. Their later stuff from mid 2002 - 2003 had solid wrestling with the likes of Matt Cross, Josh Prohibition, Luke Hawx, Juvi "The Juice" Guerrera, Shane Douglas, Justin Credible, and others. The East Coast stuff that they did was their best stuff. It wasn't all Sports Entertainment like the first 3 years of XPW. I just wish somebody had the later stuff on DVDR, it is extremely rare. Rob Black later sold XPW to XEG (the company that put out Ghetto Brawls and Backyard Wrestling) in which a lot of the former XPW talent were used on the Backyard Wrestling game along with the remaining XPW footage. There was a reunion show held in 2008 in which Rob Black, Messiah, and Kristi Myst were banned from appearing because Kleinrock was on bad terms with them. As a result, they had a Vince McMahon impostor cut a promo saying "Rob Black couldn't be at the show because he couldn't beat the government". It was more of a WSX reunion if anything under the XPW banner. WSX was also produced by Kleinrock and Rob Black was in a creative advisory role for the show according to his recent podcast/radio show. Rob Black was able to buy back some of his XPW stuff from them as of recently and keeps talking about a relaunch, he may have the name again since Houston Curtis took down the XPW listing from his websites. They did put out a sequel to their "Best of XPW" ppv this year titled "The Best Of XPW: Wildest Deathmatches". Shane Douglas still owns some of the XPW library and Johnny Webb owns backups of all the episodes up to early 2003 since he left XPW a few months before they went out. There was a plan to do Messiah vs Tommy Dreamer at a MEXPRO event last year but didn't due to unfortunate circumstances. Messiah and Kaos were the only major stars XPW created as Messiah had a way better run in CZW and Kaos has been a huge name in SoCal. It's surprising that Dixie Carter didn't bring in XPW guys to combat Team 3D/Tommy Dreamer as it was a better funnier ECW knockoff than the 2009 WWECW. That would have been the subject of some hilarious threads. The wrestling was much better on the east coast, but outside of the Shark Boy/Angel partnership, the stories were terrible. And I don't mean "XPW terrible," either. It was all due to Shane Douglas, who took over XPW in the same way Hogan took over TNA. He deemed early on that XPW was destined to be the unofficial heir to ECW, going as far as referring to it as "the new company." (ECW as called "the old company," of course.) The result was a pile of unnspired ripoffs and retreads, like redoing Sandman/Raven without Raven. (The role of Raven was played by Pogo the Clown, who was definitely no Raven. And instead of Sandman's son, it was his daughter.) I do wish their "third attempt" - making XPW a Pittsburgh Indy with then-local color commentator Kingdom James having the book - would have lasted more than one taping. Pittsburgh had a ton of great talent at the time, and it would have been fun to see them on a more national stage.
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Aug 9, 2014 13:38:34 GMT -5
Post by Ashy Larry on Aug 9, 2014 13:38:34 GMT -5
XPW had terrible television the first few years they were in existence which has been confirmed by a lot of ex-talent, I even have some of the early episodes. Their later stuff from mid 2002 - 2003 had solid wrestling with the likes of Matt Cross, Josh Prohibition, Luke Hawx, Juvi "The Juice" Guerrera, Shane Douglas, Justin Credible, and others. The East Coast stuff that they did was their best stuff. It wasn't all Sports Entertainment like the first 3 years of XPW. I just wish somebody had the later stuff on DVDR, it is extremely rare. Rob Black later sold XPW to XEG (the company that put out Ghetto Brawls and Backyard Wrestling) in which a lot of the former XPW talent were used on the Backyard Wrestling game along with the remaining XPW footage. There was a reunion show held in 2008 in which Rob Black, Messiah, and Kristi Myst were banned from appearing because Kleinrock was on bad terms with them. As a result, they had a Vince McMahon impostor cut a promo saying "Rob Black couldn't be at the show because he couldn't beat the government". It was more of a WSX reunion if anything under the XPW banner. WSX was also produced by Kleinrock and Rob Black was in a creative advisory role for the show according to his recent podcast/radio show. Rob Black was able to buy back some of his XPW stuff from them as of recently and keeps talking about a relaunch, he may have the name again since Houston Curtis took down the XPW listing from his websites. They did put out a sequel to their "Best of XPW" ppv this year titled "The Best Of XPW: Wildest Deathmatches". Shane Douglas still owns some of the XPW library and Johnny Webb owns backups of all the episodes up to early 2003 since he left XPW a few months before they went out. There was a plan to do Messiah vs Tommy Dreamer at a MEXPRO event last year but didn't due to unfortunate circumstances. Messiah and Kaos were the only major stars XPW created as Messiah had a way better run in CZW and Kaos has been a huge name in SoCal. It's surprising that Dixie Carter didn't bring in XPW guys to combat Team 3D/Tommy Dreamer as it was a better funnier ECW knockoff than the 2009 WWECW. That would have been the subject of some hilarious threads. The wrestling was much better on the east coast, but outside of the Shark Boy/Angel partnership, the stories were terrible. And I don't mean "XPW terrible," either. It was all due to Shane Douglas, who took over XPW in the same way Hogan took over TNA. He deemed early on that XPW was destined to be the unofficial heir to ECW, going as far as referring to it as "the new company." (ECW as called "the old company," of course.) The result was a pile of uninspired ripoffs and retreads, like redoing Sandman/Raven without Raven. (The role of Raven was played by Pogo the Clown, who was definitely no Raven. And instead of Sandman's son, it was his daughter.) I do wish their "third attempt" - making XPW a Pittsburgh Indy with then-local color commentator Kingdom James having the book - would have lasted more than one taping. Pittsburgh had a ton of great talent at the time, and it would have been fun to see them on a more national stage. Wasn't Kingdom James an announcer at the time? I remember GQ Money messing with him in one promo before the remaining members of The Enterprise were released. Those last few shows were really great in terms of the work ethic. XPW in it's last months was nothing like the early XPW, and it was a good thing. The TV they had was more wrestling oriented than skit oriented in it's later days. The plan was for them to do Shane Douglas vs Ric Flair as the conclusion to Shane's run in XPW according to Black but by that time Flair had signed a new deal with the WWE. I wish somehow the Battle At The Burgh and My Bloody Valentine 2003 Tours would be released someday since the only way you can find those events is on Rob Black's streaming service. The east coast shows still had that goofy aspect at times like when Vic Grimes concealed weapons inside of stuffed animals if memory serves me right.
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