So Jericho and Fozzy...

[thelonewolf527]

Jericho seems to leave due to Fozzy commitments whenever he makes his return after a long layoff, but I just started to think, who the hell is going to these Fozzy concerts to the point where Jericho is constantly booked on big tours? Their most recent album which came out a couple of weeks ago was by far their highest charting in America. And that amounted to debuting at #54 out of 200 and selling 5,600 copies in one week. Now I'm not saying that they should be selling 100,000 copies in a week, but how exactly is Fozzy making any money, let alone enough money AND keeping Jericho so busy to the point where he can't commit to WWE for more than a couple of months?

[Perd]

I haven't the Fozziest idea.

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Id imagine he does it for fun and gets the smallest percentage of cash from his other band members due to being really rich and stuff

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Well, with CD sales across the board plummeting in recent years thanks to the rise of digital outlets, most bands seem to try and make that money from the constant touring.

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The metal scene doesn't have huge sales numbers, hence the budgets the bands get are much lower. Those sales figures likely break even, after tour money, for what Century Media puts in for Fozzy to make their records. Devin Townsend broke 500% on his PledgeMusic thing for Casualties of Cool a few months ago and it wasn't a massive amount of money raised and his albums are some of the most immaculately produced pieces of art on the planet. It isn't an expensive thing to do these days.

He's a metal fan too so he likely does it for the love, which means he loves his time wrestling too since he isn't stuck in it permanently.

[The Tee Why]

He gets to open/tour with some pretty high profile acts sometimes man. I often times see him post on Twitter about a concert they did and the crowd is literally in the thousands and thousands.

That and it's been a childhood dream of his(even before wanting to be a wrestler). So there's that too

The money has to be good enough to leave otherwise he wouldnt tbh. Fozzy is a lot higher profile than people like to think,theyre huge in europe

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

Jericho does a lot of tours because music is as big of a love as wrestling is for him. At his age he doesn't need to be on the road 300 days taking bumps when he doesn't have too. Jericho comes back and works every show in that period of time which can't be said about any other part time star.

Fozzy is also popular enough in the UK I believe and they draw a crowd at the places they go. A lot of what Jericho been doing is trying to get the band more notice because keep in mind that the band been around since 2000 but because WWE schedules It wasn't until 2005 when Jericho left the first time where he really toured and did worked for the band. So the breaks is really him getting the band notice and it's a much slower process when he isn't everywhere all year around with them.

[Lila]

Fozzy is big in Europe apparently and is often touring there, so yeah.

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Aug 9, 2014 10:22:46 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Well, with CD sales across the board plummeting in recent years thanks to the rise of digital outlets, most bands seem to try and make that money from the constant touring.

Pedantic music person post upcoming, but that's always been the way for bands.

Profits from CDs on major labels (and even on small labels owned by bigger companies) have always been absurd miniscule compared to profits turned from tours. Physical formats profits never go to bands, never have, they have always gone to faceless monstrocities. The trade off is "you have people who know your name? Then you can tour bigger venues more frequently, get your manager to sort that out!"

Fozzy have toured mid-sized (Academy 2 size for those aware of the franchise UK venues) venues in many countries a few times, and due to Jericho's fame in wrestling from the Attitude Era he can call in favours/beg for 3/4pm spots at festivals and such.

In profit terms, without Jericho, Fozzy wouldn't have stuck together as a band as there'd be no profit.

[percymania]

live shows generate more income than CD sales, I thin.

[Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer]

I think he does both nowadays (wrestling and music) just for fun. He's made as much money as he is going to in wrestling and with some of the cash he has probably funded some of Fozzy's development/touring.

[Red Impact]

Bands like that often do shows with other bands too to they can draw in larger crowds

[marvelocity]

Fozzy just played at the K-Rockathon concert at the New York State fairgrounds last weekend, and I heard it drew a ton of people (I live minutes from the fairgrounds but didn't go because I'm not that big on heavy metal). They weren't headliners, but were on the second bill. I'm sure Jericho and his band get these festival gigs a lot.

BTW, here's a picture of Jericho climbing a tower at the show:


mobile.twitter.com/KROCKCNY/status/495685202312982528/photo/1

[Slanted and Enchanted]

Fozzy seems to pull the same sort of numbers many indie rock and indie songwriters pull. And as far as I know many of them live comfortably after all the live shows, appearances, and interviews. Obviously they're not getting Beyonce numbers but they seem to do well enough to live an upper middle class life lifestyle. So that would seem to be Jericho's situation with Fozzy except for the fact that he also has the millions from his WWE and TV gigs. Yeah I don't feel all that bad for the guy.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Aug 9, 2014 10:41:39 GMT -5 @pauledraperously said:

Aug 9, 2014 10:22:46 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Well, with CD sales across the board plummeting in recent years thanks to the rise of digital outlets, most bands seem to try and make that money from the constant touring.

Pedantic music person post upcoming, but that's always been the way for bands.

Profits from CDs on major labels (and even on small labels owned by bigger companies) have always been absurd miniscule compared to profits turned from tours. Physical formats profits never go to bands, never have, they have always gone to faceless monstrocities. The trade off is "you have people who know your name? Then you can tour bigger venues more frequently, get your manager to sort that out!"

Bang on. A great example of this is 30 Seconds to Mars' situation with their third album, This is War. The album sold four million copies, and it's singles sold an additional one million, and the band saw pennies out of that due to the contract they had with EMI (which had been subject to a lawsuit filed by the band before the album was released). As a result they toured nonstop from February 2010 until December 2011 just to make money from the album.

Music industry is messed up, man.

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Aug 9, 2014 14:33:09 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Aug 9, 2014 10:41:39 GMT -5 @pauledraperously said:

Pedantic music person post upcoming, but that's always been the way for bands.

Profits from CDs on major labels (and even on small labels owned by bigger companies) have always been absurd miniscule compared to profits turned from tours. Physical formats profits never go to bands, never have, they have always gone to faceless monstrocities. The trade off is "you have people who know your name? Then you can tour bigger venues more frequently, get your manager to sort that out!"

Bang on. A great example of this is 30 Seconds to Mars' situation with their third album, This is War. The album sold four million copies, and it's singles sold an additional one million, and the band saw pennies out of that due to the contract they had with EMI (which had been subject to a lawsuit filed by the band before the album was released). As a result they toured nonstop from February 2010 until December 2011 just to make money from the album.

Music industry is messed up, man.

Great modern example. It's caused many people professional & personal breakdowns, both in bands and working all along the lines with bands.

I mean, one of the greatest examples of commercial f*** uppery/blackmail was when XTC were selling huge singles internationally in the '70s/'80s and Andy Partridge was renting a tiny terraced house in his native Swindon still, and due to anxiety (and Valium addiction) driven up by lack of funds/demands from Virgin, all the money from tours and awkward band management/profit pilfering from tour dates by the label due to an unjust contract (the Music Union screwed them over there...f***ers, they manage to do that A LOT) he just left the stage one day to split up the band at a gig.

Sad state of affairs, the music industry really has done crap for artists & supporting casts & crews & venues for too many decades. Lots of bottled up rage about that, mostly for supporting lesser known bands and acquaintances (who are seen as successes but still work in multiple areas to turn a profit) and so many doors/windows being slammed in faces in small and large starring & supporting jobs over the years.

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Aug 9, 2014 14:33:09 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Aug 9, 2014 10:41:39 GMT -5 @pauledraperously said:

Pedantic music person post upcoming, but that's always been the way for bands.

Profits from CDs on major labels (and even on small labels owned by bigger companies) have always been absurd miniscule compared to profits turned from tours. Physical formats profits never go to bands, never have, they have always gone to faceless monstrocities. The trade off is "you have people who know your name? Then you can tour bigger venues more frequently, get your manager to sort that out!"

Bang on. A great example of this is 30 Seconds to Mars' situation with their third album, This is War. The album sold four million copies, and it's singles sold an additional one million, and the band saw pennies out of that due to the contract they had with EMI (which had been subject to a lawsuit filed by the band before the album was released). As a result they toured nonstop from February 2010 until December 2011 just to make money from the album.

Music industry is messed up, man.

One one hand, I hate how piracy has destroyed the music business because less bands seem to "get over" with the mainstream now, and things are more fragmented. On the other, the greedy f***s deserved it, just sucks it hurt the bands too.

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More and more bands are moving to PledgeMusic and crowd funding type things to fund albums and then make the money from tours and merch. Record companies themselves will soon be redundant to all but the manufactured pop garbage.

[thelonewolf527]

Aug 9, 2014 14:33:09 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Aug 9, 2014 10:41:39 GMT -5 @pauledraperously said:

Pedantic music person post upcoming, but that's always been the way for bands.

Profits from CDs on major labels (and even on small labels owned by bigger companies) have always been absurd miniscule compared to profits turned from tours. Physical formats profits never go to bands, never have, they have always gone to faceless monstrocities. The trade off is "you have people who know your name? Then you can tour bigger venues more frequently, get your manager to sort that out!"

Bang on. A great example of this is 30 Seconds to Mars' situation with their third album, This is War. The album sold four million copies, and it's singles sold an additional one million, and the band saw pennies out of that due to the contract they had with EMI (which had been subject to a lawsuit filed by the band before the album was released). As a result they toured nonstop from February 2010 until December 2011 just to make money from the album.

Music industry is messed up, man.

But in this case, 30STM sold millions of albums. Fozzy didn't even sell 6,000 so it's insane to think that they're able to play such big shows if no one's buying their cd. And that's just their most recent one. The ones before that probably sold even less week 1

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Aug 9, 2014 18:02:59 GMT -5 thelonewolf527 said:

Aug 9, 2014 14:33:09 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Bang on. A great example of this is 30 Seconds to Mars' situation with their third album, This is War. The album sold four million copies, and it's singles sold an additional one million, and the band saw pennies out of that due to the contract they had with EMI (which had been subject to a lawsuit filed by the band before the album was released). As a result they toured nonstop from February 2010 until December 2011 just to make money from the album.

Music industry is messed up, man.

But in this case, 30STM sold millions of albums. Fozzy didn't even sell 6,000 so it's insane to think that they're able to play such big shows if no one's buying their cd. And that's just their most recent one. The ones before that probably sold even less week 1

Pink Floyd haven't released a new album since The Division Bell but they could headline any festival on earth.

I know it's a totally different scale but I don't think sales relate to live concert demand, especially in the metal area.