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Post by franchisedavis on Aug 22, 2014 19:37:56 GMT -5
If you do the ECW PPVs do them in a order oldest to newest. That way you don't see random talent there and gone.
That would mean Wrestlepalooza 98 I believe. Although Sandman is pretty injured for that PPV. But Al Snow is in the PPV
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 18:56:48 GMT -5
Heatwave 1998 - I've heard that this is a largely awful show, but you know what? It absolutely must be better than Bunkhouse Stampede. That was seriously one of the worst PPVs I have ever seen. - A whole night of Shane Douglas on commentary? He was pretty bad for that one match on one of those WCW PPVs, hopefully he's better without a storyline to sell. - And from the get-go he's cutting an awful promo and talking about a storyline. Uh. . . Justin Credible vs. Jerry Lynn- I had no idea Nicole Bass was in ECW. - Okay, that Chyna joke was lame. - Did they dub out Shane Douglas's commentary or is he just not talking yet? If they did, why the hell would they keep in the opening promo announcing he'd be on commentary for the night? - Seems like kind of an un-ECW move to open with a pretty standard match instead of something more flashly, but that's the right move to make. - Oh, now Shane Douglas is chiming in, I guess he just barely has anything to say. - Now they have a random chair for no reason, okay then. - I have no idea what the crowd's chanting right now. - Justin Credible's nearly empty cup of beer should feud with R-Truth's water bottle. - It's ECW and there are three managers at ringside, why do you need restholds? - No, that wasn't a Tiger Bomb, that was just a straight powerbomb. - How the hell did Jerry Lynn dodge that low blow short of just plain Justin Credible pulling him out of the way? - I don't know if this is true, but it seems like they dubbed over Justin Credible's theme with an instrumental of Don't You Wish You Were Me. Lance Storm vs. Chris Candido- Lance Storm aged quickly over the next couple of years, instantly recognized him but this is the most fresh-faced I've ever seen him looking. - What on Earth is Candido wearing? - Sunny sounds drunk off her ass. - Oh, okay, it's a covering for an injured ear. That explains it. - Storm got some absurd height on that spinning heel kick. - Glad to see Douglas isn't bitching about Flair in the midst of all the WOOing. Though he's again not talking period. - Why did Storm stand there letting Sunny rub his ass instead of, y'know, booting her away before she could shove him off the top? - Hitting the finisher off the top rope would mean more if it hadn't also happened in the match before this. - What is up with New Jack's head? It looks like Tyson Kidd's old haircut without the hair. - This segment in front of the building looks like an episode of Cops if it were shot less competently. - Why are they censoring some of the expletives but not all of them? And it's not even just the big ones, there've been a few f***s thrown out. - Sabu in a suit and sunglasses looks bizarre. - What does it say when f***ing RVD is the best speaker in a group? Granted, to be fair this might be the best promo I've ever seen from him, sounds way more natural than usual. Mike Awesome vs. Masato Tanaka- I have the feeling there are going to be a lot of chairshots incoming. - August twenty-five? - Tanaka looks so depressed during the introductions. - Brock Lesnar would be screwed against Tanaka, because he just completely no-sold that German suplex. - And Douglas doesn't know what a German suplex is. - That running chairshot spot was awesome. - This whole match is, "Awesome gets hit with a chair, then backdrops Tanaka over something," over and over again. I'm enjoying it more than I should given that. - Douglas seems to largely like speaking up to comment on when people aren't doing proper pins. He is pretty good at explaining the importance of that at least. - Tanaka must have suffered a lot of brain damage in this match. - The, "F*** him up!" chant needs to come back. - How the hell didn't that powerbomb break Awesome's neck? - Yeah, that was fun stuff, just two guys murdering each other. Between this and One Night Stand I need to see more of their matches together. - When Taz is singling out champions he's better than why doesn't he mention, y'know, Douglas? - Especially since Douglas starts cutting a promo on him in response? - Why have two promos in a row? - Bubba Ray's promo is. . . Interesting. Not in a good way. Rob Van Dam & Sabu vs. Jinsei Shinzaki & Hayabusa- Screw it, I'm calling him Hakushi. Joey called him that on the commentary anyway. - Random Mortal Kombat sign. - Sabu's torso looks particularly gross and cut up here. - RVD's heel mannerisms are pretty awesome here, like pointing to the belt in tune with it being named off. - It kind of defeats the point of Sabu being silent and speaking only in gestures in the early promo if he's yelling at RVD now. - After enough stalling to make Lesnar and Goldberg call them lazy, finally the ball's rolling. - And now back to the stalling in short order. - I think Douglas is asleep. - This match is incredibly dull so far. - Even the hardcore stuff is pretty boring to me here. - Hakushi taking the Five Star Frog Splash really should've been the end of it. Mostly because it'd mean the match would be over. - If Hakushi hadn't walked off like an idiot and instead he kicked Sabu in the head he and Hayabusa would've won there. - Yeah, Hakushi's just not selling shit in this match. - This match has successfully managed to kill an ECW crowd. - I guess to be fair no one else is really bothering to sell anything either. Taz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow- The recap for the Taz / Bigelow match makes this come off like a really confused, overly complicated storyline that could have just been, "Taz wanted a rematch." - Forgot how awesome Taz's theme is, I really need to download a CAW of him just to have a use for it. - Screw it, I'm not going to bother going back and correcting it every time, I'm spelling it Tazz like I feel naturally inclined to. - I get they have a limited budget but these camera angles while they're brawling outside are really awkward. - This sucks. - I think that table spot was Tazz's first offense in this entire match. - Slow, awkward tornado DDT through a clearly thin breakaway part of the ramp. EXTREME. - What's with that one guy loudly yelling, "EC Dubya!" over and over? - They're still milking this?! - So, nice that that spot somehow didn't hurt Tazz at all but practically killed Bigelow. - Douglas doesn't do a very convincing job of trying to come off infuriated by this result. The Dudley Boyz vs. Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, and Spike Dudley- Do we really need Joey Styles cutting a promo to start this off? Oh, wait, we do, because this show over a half hour left and this is the main event. - I approve of the We Heart Free Kittens sign. - Does Bubba's promo have a point besides just to kill twenty minutes? - You know what? I'm fast-forwarding through the remaining half of this promo. This is just dragging on and on and I want this show over with already. - Why not dub over Man in the Box (I'm assuming since Dreamer's the one they're talking up that that's what they came out to) with, y'know, their ripoff of it instead of some song that sounds nothing like it? Then again, if they came out to Enter Sandman, could easily dub in their ripoff of that too. - And now we've got a neverending entrance to go along with it. - Bubba Ray has to be the one guy in wrestling who's gotten in better and better shape the longer he's been in the business. - If Spike's against the rest of the Dudleys, why is he still dressed like them? - 1-800-Broken Neck? That's not clever or funny, that's just dumb. - I like how Big Dick Dudley is supposedly ECW's giant but he looks like he's shorter than Bubba is and is clearly lighter. - What's even the point of anyone doing tags when they always just eventually start ignoring it anyway? Like right now, Bubba never tagged in, he's just in the ring now. - Nice of Joey to try and cover for the botch on the rail. - Now Devon's the one who's randomly the in-ring one without tagging in. - Devon's selljob on the ladder spot is absurd. - Could it be more obvious that Bubba's having to put in effort to remain in the Tree of Woe? - Yeah, this spot with a Tree of Woe in every corner doesn't look remotely silly or contrived. - Wow, that was a fast count. - So, like, what's the deal with New Jack anyway from a kayfabe perspective? Did he just bribe the guy running the music to keep his theme playing? Did that guy just realize he'd probably be unwatchable without that gimmick? First half of the show was decent, second half sucked. The main event was better than the couple of matches before it at least, though still not exactly great. I really could use a good show right now. And fortunately it looks like I've got one from what I've heard about the show once you get past the police officer who puts in an appearance - next up's Capital Combat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 13:05:29 GMT -5
We're doing things a little differently this time. Capital Combat I've heard was heavily centered around WCW signing away a hot new talent from a promotion I can't say I've ever heard of named OCP, and I wanted to get some insight into this hot act before his debut. Fortunately, they had the foresight to put together a documentary to hype his debut and give some incite into this new talent before his debut, so I will be looking at the chronicle of the early part of his career first. RoboCop - That's a pretty damn to the point title for a documentary. And I'm a little shaky on the ring name. - Opening with footage from a news broadcast. That's a weird choice. Why are they even talking about nuclear war and the Star Wars program on a wrestling DVD? - Scott Hall might want to look into this program. - It's really weird to see one of these talking head segments leading into another one. - Weird choice to first show someone with a masked gimmick with his previous moniker where you can fully see his face. - Man, it's weird to see this much backstage footage, particularly from a company WCW didn't even own. - They really take this police officer gimmick seriously. It's kind of goofy. - Did Murphy even tag into that match? What a weird choice to be the first wrestling clip we see. - This crowd is really into this promo. Though this documentary seems to be suffering a serious lack of focus so far. - Okay, so I guess they're starting off by getting us caught up on the storyline that repackaged him with the RoboCop gimmick. I kind of get it but odd choice. - Holy shit, this ED-209 guy's finisher is awesome! Someone in WWE needs to start using that. Why isn't this documentary about that guy? - Now finally back to Murphy. Man, this documentary's barely had anything of him so far. - I'm guessing what with their manager yelling at them this faction was on the verge of a face turn at this point. - I didn't know WCW ripped off the King of the Road Match from someone else. - Man this company seems like it was prone to some ridiculous blade jobs. - That'd be a really cool spot if they didn't show the crash pad. Amateurs. - This is the most stalling-filled handicap match ever. - I don't think I've seen someone do a blade job at the hand before. - Hol-lee shit! Hol-lee shit! Hol-lee shit! Hol-lee shit! - Woman, if you'd been in there a minute prior you could've broken up the pin! It's your fault for being slow! - Wow, this surgery footage is intense. Way more in depth than the bits WWE used to show. - Man, that's a weird introductory vignette. - Oh, so this is where the idea for Adam Rose came from. - Boo, they SRSed him up. - That slogan could be way more punchy. It's no Hustle Loyalty Respect. - Weird just overlaying his theme over random shots of him driving at night. I guess they needed some filler material. Needs more talking head segments, this has almost entirely been old match and promo clips. - Wow, convenience store guy can bump. - And now he's worked his way up to squashing two jobbers at once. That was quick. - Now he's doing run-ins to help a top face. They really rushed this guy to the main event scene, huh? - So, if you leave the cage before your opponent enters it, does that count as winning? - This angle was really light on, y'know, wrestling matches. - Wow, OCP had some ridiculous spots. How on earth is ECW the company that got over for being extreme? - There, now finally some real documentary footage, of him wandering around his old house. Though I don't know what it has to do with the Boddicker feud or hyping the guy up.. - Wow, that crowd wasn't paying attention to that promo at all. - I hope this Boddicker guy never turned face. How the hell did a heel this intense never make it into one of the big companies? - This angle's taken a turn for the absurd now. RoboCop's shrugging off like ten people hitting their finishers on him over and over again, really? - This match is weird, Boddicker couldn't beat RoboCop even with his whole faction backing him up but he soaks up an insane level of punishment at the end. Angling for a double-turn maybe? - Turning Dick Jones heel was the right move, the crowd just wasn't popping for him. - Why wouldn't you hype up the ED-209 / RoboCop match? That seems like it should have been a big PPV main-event, not just suddenly happening on a random taping. - STAIRS?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! WIN THAT WAY?! - I like that they're finally letting RoboCop show some vulnerability leading up to his main event run, but they've put him over so huge they're having to have whole factions take him out. I suspect eventually the crowd turned on him if they didn't cut that shit out. - So this led to Lewis becoming his valet again? Good call, they looked to have some good chemistry. - I didn't know Ambrose did a stint in OCP! That, "Law of the jungle," promo wasn't up to his usual standards. - Wait, after that earlier match we were supposed to buy Boddicker as a threat for a rematch? - Why didn't they do a Mask vs. Mask or Mask vs. Hair match rather than just having him show his face out of nowhere? - This scene of Boddicker's stable playing around and smashing shit might be too much fun, wouldn't surprise me if the crowd's behind them when the rematch comes up if they keep this up. - Wow, RoboCop might take a lot to put down but after he does lose he knows how to sell a beating for a long time afterward. - So, this is less a documentary and more a best-of, right? - Jesus, that's how you write someone out. I guess they needed to find a way to put Emil on the shelf for awhile to go film The Blob. - Dude, he's buried under all of that crap! Stop with the torture and pin him! - See, Boddicker, you lost because you got cocky. - Well, the showdown with Jones was a squash, though there wasn't really any other way to end that feud. - Okay, call me crazy, but that might not have actually had anything to do with wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:44:22 GMT -5
Capital Combat - Why's is the Return of Robocop if this is his debut? - When was the last time they did that, "Manager's trapped in a cage," gimmick, anyway? - Will tonight be the night that Luger wins the title? Of course not, this is an NWA PPV! There'll be a screjob afoot. The Road Warriors & Norman vs. Cactus Jack, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Kevin Sullivan- What, they couldn't just ride the motorcycles themselves? - "From the state hospital!" - That was a pretty spectacularly botched big boot, not helped by them choosing pretty much the worst camera angle possible for trying to hide it. - Did JR just call him Cactus Jack Manson? - Why's Caudle talking about how fired up the Road Warriors are? They're not in the ring and haven't been for awhle. - Well, that ending's pretty out of nowhere. - I love how they much keep mentioning the Return of Robocop subtitle. Just over and over. Johnny Ace vs. Mark Callous- Wait, the Road Warriors don't get music but Johnny Ace does? - I'm convinced the reason that Taker comes out in pitch darkness is because the lights from his entrance on this show caused a seizure. - From Metropolis? - Taker should be busting out the heart punch again nowadays. I bet that would've put Lesnar down. - Taker's favorite animal is a snake, thus why he and Jake Roberts hit it off for awhile. - New feature later called the Slamometer. Sounds dumber than Robocop. - "When he turned around, hey, he was coming right in his face!" - Why did they randomly start talking about Luger / Flair? JR just brought it up absolutely out of nowhere in the middle of talking about something else entirely. - Two young men who'll be around a long time to come, and this is the last appearance of one of them while the other was gone within six months. - Wait, this show took place on May 19th! - Man, for what's basically a squash match with Johnny Ace just being given some token offense, this is just dragging on and on. - Somehow I don't think there's much danger of Teddy Long becoming a skinhead, Caudle. - Oh, there's the Slam-O-Meter. And yeah, that's pretty stupid. - Gee, I wonder if the fact that they're hyping up Sting's feud with the Horsemen more than Luger having a title match with Flair later means Luger will fail and Sting will be the one to take the title from him instead? Captain Mike Rotunda & Tommy Rich vs. Samoan SWAT Team- Rikishi looks more like Roman Reigns here than he does the Usos. Though I can still see the resemblance. - So, like. . . Is this match ever going to start? - The referee was not looking at that tag or anything close to it. - How on earth was that headbutt supposed to have hit? He didn't jump far enough to get anywhere close. - Why do they keep calling the Samoans savages when they've been calm and focused while throwing in a lot of trash talk. - Heh, the crowd gave an, "AWW!!" at the hug. I want to see that spot in tag matches more often, that was neat. - God, someone make Tommy Rich stop clapping! - Why the hell did Rotunda start crawling away from his partner instead of just tagging him in? - Seriously, that awkward diving chop to the side of the head was enough to knock Tommy Rich out after he spent the whole damn match on the apron? - Nice of Rick Steiner to not even be bothered to hold his title. - It's the voice that proves that the two Scott Steiners are the same man. - "You came here to wrestle us? Too bad, we came here to suplex you!" Yeah, Scott's promos are as incoherent as ever. - It'd be nice if they'd explain what the sweepstakes was. Paul Ellering vs. Theodore Long- Missy Hyatt has no place doing ring introductions. - Gee, I wonder who would win a hair vs. hair match? My money's on the guy who's already missing most of his hair! - Well, at least that was short. - And on that day, Teddy decided no more singles matches, tag teams from here on out. - Wait, Teddy's trying to hide the fact that he had a small bit of his almost nonexistent hair cut off? - Sid looks so miserable in that suit. - Sid's eyes are kind of amazing to watch in this promo, they're just jotting all over the place like he's wondering if they're ever going to let him have the mic. Midnight Express vs. Z-Man & Flyin' Brian- I literally cannot tell what Cornette is saying when he has the mic. The sound at this point in the PPV suddenly seems to have become really bad. - Why is Cornette acting like the cage thing is a shock to him? - That's some really questionable gear on the Midnight Express. - It's a match mostly built around arm drags to this point and yet this is pretty good so far. Helps it's by far the quickest-paced match to this point. - How many times in this statement is he going to say Zenk and Pillman are professional athletes? - They're mentioning that over the top rope DQ bullshit. Hopefully that doesn't come up later in the show. - Lifting the forearm to try and keep the shoulder from being raised is a really nice touch. - How can JR not be sure if Pillman's bleeding? He very clearly is. - Sleephold? Missing a syllable there? And JR said it more than once. - Yeah, that was pretty fun. Didn't give me much to comment on though. - I sure hope that cage doesn't come up again later. - Are they setting up a Robocop / Wyatt Family feud? - The door had already opened, why did Robocop need to pull it off? - And what was the Four Horsemen's goal, anyway? Sticking Sting in a cage he could easily be let out of as soon as they left? It's not like they could've done much to hurt him in it. - Man, that was a really brief debut for all the hype. They should have had him chuck Flair out a window or something. - July 7th is my mom's birthday. - That hat is really obviously too small for Junkyard Dog's head. - Really, he called out the Four Horsemen, okay. . . And Mean Mark? - Even in 1990, Your Mom jokes were in vogue. Rock N Roll Express vs. Fabulous Freebirds- Why did the Rock N Roll Express come out with a jukebox? And who was controlling that platform? You could clearly see it swerving all over the place and it got hung up on the rail at one point. - Well, the entrances answer the question of who the better rock stars, don't they? You don't hear the Rock N Roll Express singing their theme. - The crowd's really hot for this. Though they've been up and down all night so guess it isn't that weird. - "Feathers are literally flying." - Yeah, this is boring and the commentators have pretty much completely stopped talking about the match. - So, have they just completely forgotten about the straps or what? I can't remember the last time they used those and I don't even see them lying around at this point. - Damn was that a fast count. The Steiner Brothers vs. Doom- Whole lot of stalling at the start of this. - What's with that extended shot from the crowd? It looks neat but it's really pointless and out of nowhere. - What's with all of the random shots of the crowd in this match? - Scott's already looking pretty damn roided up at this point. - Don't talk about 199, talk about $9.99! - Rick's hair is insane right now. - This is pretty good but man, I'm tapped out on tag matches at this point. There are too many of them on this show. - Wow, Reed got some air on that knee. - Seriously, having to distract the referee before you throw someone over the top rope is so f***ing stupid. - Ron Simmons is Burt Reynolds' favorite wrestler? What? - The crowd seems kind of stunned by Doom winning. - It's kind of a weird choice to have Teddy's team manage to get the tag titles the same night he lost a hair vs. hair match. Kind of takes away from the sting of that, you know? Though barely any hair was cut off anyway. Lex Luger vs. Ric Flair- 27 minutes left in the show, so probably about 22 (TWENTY TWO?!) until we get the predictable DQ win for Luger. - What is with every single match tonight opening with a ton of stalling? - "International object" is the single dumbest piece of wrestling lingo. It's impossible to say it without sounding like an idiot. - The commentators are talking up Luger like he's Christ, probably to try and distract from when he inevitably chokes again later. - Is this technically a Hell in a Cell match? - The dueling on the cage spot's pretty neat, though seems weird to tease the throwing Flair to the floor spot and then not do it. It's not like it would've been a far fall. - With all of this shit Luger's doing with the cage, how is it none of that's causing a DQ but we're still inevitably going to see one later? - See, if you have an injured knee, don't do moves that can hurt it, Lex. - I just really took notice, Flair's blade job here is insane. - Why the hell did the the Horsemen wait to come out until after Flair'd already gotten his ass kicked and had been in control for awhile? - Really good match for something that's going to end in a DQ. - It's convenient that since Sting is injured no one is bothering to attack him so he's just effortlessly beating everyone's ass. - It's convenient that no one lets El Gigante do anything. - Yup, Luger wins by DQ. Beatdown follows, you know the drill. I was wrong earlier, it was 23 minutes before we got the DQ. - And everyone runs from Sting without even bothering to try to attack him, because in wrestling being injured makes you more dangerous. - Why didn't Robocop come out and keep track of Windham? Had he done so Luger would have for sure won the title. All in all, decent PPV but it dragged at points, mostly just due to how repetitive a lot of it was and how pointless most Flair title matches from this point are to watch years later given the inevitably bullshit finishes. I don't know who in their right mind was buying PPVs where he defended the title back in the day given where it almost always wound up, even if the matches themselves were great a lot of the time. Next up, it's... Fully Loaded 2000. Cool, I'm game for that, not seen it since the night it aired. I accidentally randomed it twice here and the second thing that came up was New Blood Rising so f***, yeah, I'll take Fully Loaded 2000 over that.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 25, 2014 22:31:56 GMT -5
The point about Flair is valid, though he did lose to Sting at GAB 1990. Luger was a placeholder feud while Sting was injured. Good grief, the awful finish to GAB 88 deep sized Crockett on PPV after 1 show that was unopposed. Capital Combat gets a bad rap as a PPV due to the Robocop silliness. That's like 5 minutes and the rest of the show was actually pretty good. Where else do you see stuff like Johnny Ace vs. Mean Mark?
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Heatwave 1998 - I've heard that this is a largely awful show, but you know what? It absolutely must be better than Bunkhouse Stampede. That was seriously one of the worst PPVs I have ever seen. - A whole night of Shane Douglas on commentary? He was pretty bad for that one match on one of those WCW PPVs, hopefully he's better without a storyline to sell. - And from the get-go he's cutting an awful promo and talking about a storyline. Uh. . . Justin Credible vs. Jerry Lynn- I had no idea Nicole Bass was in ECW. - Okay, that Chyna joke was lame. - Did they dub out Shane Douglas's commentary or is he just not talking yet? If they did, why the hell would they keep in the opening promo announcing he'd be on commentary for the night? - Seems like kind of an un-ECW move to open with a pretty standard match instead of something more flashly, but that's the right move to make. - Oh, now Shane Douglas is chiming in, I guess he just barely has anything to say. - Now they have a random chair for no reason, okay then. - I have no idea what the crowd's chanting right now. - Justin Credible's nearly empty cup of beer should feud with R-Truth's water bottle. - It's ECW and there are three managers at ringside, why do you need restholds? - No, that wasn't a Tiger Bomb, that was just a straight powerbomb. - How the hell did Jerry Lynn dodge that low blow short of just plain Justin Credible pulling him out of the way? - I don't know if this is true, but it seems like they dubbed over Justin Credible's theme with an instrumental of Don't You Wish You Were Me. Lance Storm vs. Chris Candido- Lance Storm aged quickly over the next couple of years, instantly recognized him but this is the most fresh-faced I've ever seen him looking. - What on Earth is Candido wearing? - Sunny sounds drunk off her ass. - Oh, okay, it's a covering for an injured ear. That explains it. - Storm got some absurd height on that spinning heel kick. - Glad to see Douglas isn't bitching about Flair in the midst of all the WOOing. Though he's again not talking period. - Why did Storm stand there letting Sunny rub his ass instead of, y'know, booting her away before she could shove him off the top? - Hitting the finisher off the top rope would mean more if it hadn't also happened in the match before this. - What is up with New Jack's head? It looks like Tyson Kidd's old haircut without the hair. - This segment in front of the building looks like an episode of Cops if it were shot less competently. - Why are they censoring some of the expletives but not all of them? And it's not even just the big ones, there've been a few f***s thrown out. - Sabu in a suit and sunglasses looks bizarre. - What does it say when f***ing RVD is the best speaker in a group? Granted, to be fair this might be the best promo I've ever seen from him, sounds way more natural than usual. Mike Awesome vs. Masato Tanaka- I have the feeling there are going to be a lot of chairshots incoming. - August twenty-five? - Tanaka looks so depressed during the introductions. - Brock Lesnar would be screwed against Tanaka, because he just completely no-sold that German suplex. - And Douglas doesn't know what a German suplex is. - That running chairshot spot was awesome. - This whole match is, "Awesome gets hit with a chair, then backdrops Tanaka over something," over and over again. I'm enjoying it more than I should given that. - Douglas seems to largely like speaking up to comment on when people aren't doing proper pins. He is pretty good at explaining the importance of that at least. - Tanaka must have suffered a lot of brain damage in this match. - The, "F*** him up!" chant needs to come back. - How the hell didn't that powerbomb break Awesome's neck? - Yeah, that was fun stuff, just two guys murdering each other. Between this and One Night Stand I need to see more of their matches together. - When Taz is singling out champions he's better than why doesn't he mention, y'know, Douglas? - Especially since Douglas starts cutting a promo on him in response? - Why have two promos in a row? - Bubba Ray's promo is. . . Interesting. Not in a good way. Rob Van Dam & Sabu vs. Jinsei Shinzaki & Hayabusa- Screw it, I'm calling him Hakushi. Joey called him that on the commentary anyway. - Random Mortal Kombat sign. - Sabu's torso looks particularly gross and cut up here. - RVD's heel mannerisms are pretty awesome here, like pointing to the belt in tune with it being named off. - It kind of defeats the point of Sabu being silent and speaking only in gestures in the early promo if he's yelling at RVD now. - After enough stalling to make Lesnar and Goldberg call them lazy, finally the ball's rolling. - And now back to the stalling in short order. - I think Douglas is asleep. - This match is incredibly dull so far. - Even the hardcore stuff is pretty boring to me here. - Hakushi taking the Five Star Frog Splash really should've been the end of it. Mostly because it'd mean the match would be over. - If Hakushi hadn't walked off like an idiot and instead he kicked Sabu in the head he and Hayabusa would've won there. - Yeah, Hakushi's just not selling shit in this match. - This match has successfully managed to kill an ECW crowd. - I guess to be fair no one else is really bothering to sell anything either. Taz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow- The recap for the Taz / Bigelow match makes this come off like a really confused, overly complicated storyline that could have just been, "Taz wanted a rematch." - Forgot how awesome Taz's theme is, I really need to download a CAW of him just to have a use for it. - Screw it, I'm not going to bother going back and correcting it every time, I'm spelling it Tazz like I feel naturally inclined to. - I get they have a limited budget but these camera angles while they're brawling outside are really awkward. - This sucks. - I think that table spot was Tazz's first offense in this entire match. - Slow, awkward tornado DDT through a clearly thin breakaway part of the ramp. EXTREME. - What's with that one guy loudly yelling, "EC Dubya!" over and over? - They're still milking this?! - So, nice that that spot somehow didn't hurt Tazz at all but practically killed Bigelow. - Douglas doesn't do a very convincing job of trying to come off infuriated by this result. The Dudley Boyz vs. Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, and Spike Dudley- Do we really need Joey Styles cutting a promo to start this off? Oh, wait, we do, because this show over a half hour left and this is the main event. - I approve of the We Heart Free Kittens sign. - Does Bubba's promo have a point besides just to kill twenty minutes? - You know what? I'm fast-forwarding through the remaining half of this promo. This is just dragging on and on and I want this show over with already. - Why not dub over Man in the Box (I'm assuming since Dreamer's the one they're talking up that that's what they came out to) with, y'know, their ripoff of it instead of some song that sounds nothing like it? Then again, if they came out to Enter Sandman, could easily dub in their ripoff of that too. - And now we've got a neverending entrance to go along with it. - Bubba Ray has to be the one guy in wrestling who's gotten in better and better shape the longer he's been in the business. - If Spike's against the rest of the Dudleys, why is he still dressed like them? - 1-800-Broken Neck? That's not clever or funny, that's just dumb. - I like how Big Dick Dudley is supposedly ECW's giant but he looks like he's shorter than Bubba is and is clearly lighter. - What's even the point of anyone doing tags when they always just eventually start ignoring it anyway? Like right now, Bubba never tagged in, he's just in the ring now. - Nice of Joey to try and cover for the botch on the rail. - Now Devon's the one who's randomly the in-ring one without tagging in. - Devon's selljob on the ladder spot is absurd. - Could it be more obvious that Bubba's having to put in effort to remain in the Tree of Woe? - Yeah, this spot with a Tree of Woe in every corner doesn't look remotely silly or contrived. - Wow, that was a fast count. - So, like, what's the deal with New Jack anyway from a kayfabe perspective? Did he just bribe the guy running the music to keep his theme playing? Did that guy just realize he'd probably be unwatchable without that gimmick? First half of the show was decent, second half sucked. The main event was better than the couple of matches before it at least, though still not exactly great. I really could use a good show right now. And fortunately it looks like I've got one from what I've heard about the show once you get past the police officer who puts in an appearance - next up's Capital Combat. This is one of ECW's best PPVs. Far from awful, at least IMO.
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This is one of ECW's best PPVs. Far from awful, at least IMO. I'd guess it depends on your opinion on the big matches, particularly Tazz / Bam Bam and the tag match. Personally I thought both sucked but if someone liked them it'd probably be a decen tshow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 16:27:19 GMT -5
I'll level here, no excuse for yesterday, I just really needed a short wrestling break after that shitty Raw. Fully Loaded 2000 T&A vs. The Hardy Boyz & Lita- T&A lasted much longer than I ever realized. - Why did they show the recap of Lita's leg drop on Trish more than once? That was insanely badly botched. - Nice of them to screw up and show a close-up on a picture of Rock for a minute before the Hardys' Titantron started up. - What on earth was with that weird dance Jeff did after the crossbody? - I've seen this match before. That isn't remotely sinking in because I don't even slightly remember this. - Why the hell didn't Lita tag the Hardys in instead of running around in circles from Albert? - See, don't try and use hurricanranas when you normally don't, Jeff. That's a good way to get powerbombed. - Why did Jeff go through the trouble of using the Swanton to break up the pin instead of, y'know, just breaking it up? And how didn't that hurt Matt too? - Why did Trish pull on Lita's hair for a second before pinning her? - Did any T&A PPV match end without them attacking someone after the match? - "You've gotta love a woman with a leather belt." That's not even a joke, King. - Given Taker wins later, makes Angle look pretty damn bad having him run for his life when Taker shows up, for an extended period of time at that. Al Snow vs. Tazz- Jesus, that is the definition of a pointless filler match. - For being a comeback match during them trying to hype Tazz up as a dangerous badass out to hurt anyone he can, Al Snow's kind of kicking his ass. - That quasi-Alabama slam was kind of awkward looking. - Seriously, why is Al dominating this? Obviously Tazz wins but it's still making him look awful here. Then again, jobbing to King the next month didn't help him either. - That is why you don't try to kick Tazz in the chest. - Word of advice, Triple H, if someone delivers flowers to Stephanie in your presence and she asks if you did it, say yes. Eddie Guerrero vs. Perry Saturn- Saturn would've gotten a way better reaction if they changed his theme to have an ambulance siren instead, huh? - Why is Eddie wrestling with his shirt on? - For as big of a pop as the crowd gave Eddie's entrance, they are just dead here. - Somehow this match is both really slow yet really sloppy. - King's right, they are really overusing moonsaults tonight. - This is another really one-sided match where the guy you'd think would be getting protected is just getting killed. - Well, Chyna's dead. - Yeah, that was a nearly clean win where Saturn just killed him the whole time. Weird choice. - Food poisoning rules! - And again Angle's running for his life from Taker. Edge & Christian vs. The Acolytes- "And what is up with Dallas's professional sports franchises?" Cheap heat distilled to its essence. - Jokes about JFK committing suicide. I approve. - I'm just going to call them the APA, it's all over their Titantron and they have the theme by this point anyway, they just haven't swapped to the gear and the name yet. - Bradshaw sticking boots in asses is nothing new. - "Cheap heat" mentioned. - This is far from the only night Bradshaw made Edge his personal bitch. - The set up to the fallaway slam was pretty neat. - Weird how Christian sold actually taking the Clothesline From Hell like death, but was almost immediately stirring from it. - That weak DQ ending kind of killed the crowd. Particularly given it was obviously, as the commentary points out, just done to tie into the main event. - Big Bossman at WWF New York. Filler! Val Venis vs. Rikishi- Val Venis's music here is awful. - That back-and-forth about what happened to Val's hair wouldn't be that out of place with today's commentary. - Yeah, this is all just filler until the splash. - It just occurred to me, if you count the DQ as a heel win, this is four matches in a row with the heels coming out on top, with the only one before those still having the heels standing tall at the end. - Teddy Long's there, any chance we could make this a tag team match, playa, to make it more interesting? - It's inconvenient Rikishi knew Val would stand up or he would have accidentally done the move JBL always claims he always did. - Kudos to Lita still selling the back an hour later. - Where are T&A the one time they've ever been needed? - "Trish is no dog." Foreshadowing.. . . - Both the inside and outside refs get bumped. Nice. - If you're an islander challenging for the Intercontinental title inside of a cage, don't do a splash off the top. There's no quicker way to lose. - What was even the point of Teddy being bumped? Rikishi at no point tried to pin Val after the splash. - Did that Rikishi / Tazz thing ever actually lead to a match? - Shane is not a pussy. - "The Rock says," "Up your candy ass." Not only are both signs badly made with really awkward placement, they're both being held by the same person. - Destroying Rock's wardrobe is the worst thing Benoit ever did. Kurt Angle vs. Undertaker- Gee, I sure hope this is as good as their No Way Out match! - Have to like that Cole started talking about Angle hitting Taker's knees with the wrench before he started doing so. - Angle's theme always sounds bizarre pre-You Suck. - Given the next month Angle was challenging for the title and a couple of months after that he won it, it is bizarre how much of a total squash this is or that he didn't somehow squeak out the win. - I have American Badass on my computer for 2K14 Biker Taker, I need to start booting it up any time I'm watching Taker matches from this period on the Network. You're Gonna Pay is really distracting. Chris Jericho vs. Triple H- Given the sponsor, I can only assume this Last Man Standing match is a fight over Jericho preferring Right Twix while Triple H prefers Left Twix. - Saying you want Jericho's ass once, fine. Saying it like four times in a row, it starts sounding questionable. - I really want to see a Last Man Standing match that is just straight brawling, no weapons. This one's probably the closest we'll get. - The shoulders in the corner go on just long enough to be funny without getting annoying. - Between this and the Mania 30 match, I really want to see more of Stephanie cheering on Triple H as he mauls people like a total psychopath. She's really good at it. - I'm kind of just sitting here enjoying the match, damn good one that it's been forever since I've seen. - That kiss to Stephanie at ringside during the count was great. - Triple H would have won this match sooner if he didn't keep having to order the referee to count. - I miss when Triple H would do the lying on the top rope. Can somebody bring that back? - Jesus, now that's how you blade like a man. And that was within seconds of being hit. - JR doesn't know the difference between ribs and shoulders. - Triple H doing his best Austin at Mania 13 impression there. - Jesus, Triple H is freaking painting the mat here. - Stephanie sure took her time about interrupting the Walls, huh? - How weird must the sledgehammer thing be to people who've only been watching for a five years or so, with just how consistently Triple H uses the thing and it just happens to be his weapon of choice? - Seriously, this match rules. - I really love that ending, where they do the standard both guys get knocked out ending for one of these matches but with a twist on it. And what with Jericho coming in hurt, even in losing this match made him look like a million bucks. - I'd like to think that Jericho and Benoit bet a Canadian dollar on who could deliver more on this show. Let's see if Benoit can top that shit. The Rock vs. Chris Benoit- Benoit should have gone with an entrance jacket at some point. He kind of pulls off wearing Rock's torn shirt. - Rock's pissed about his shirts, but not enough so to skip his entrance taunts. - Benoit does a really good job of coming off as absolutely panicked by the idea of being put in the Crossface. - You know, let's hope things work out better for the other guy Rock defended the WWE title against in a match where he'd lose it if DQed. - Kind of strange seeing Benoit bouncing around on the ropes. What was he even going for before Rock cut him off, a moonsault? - That ring is still bloody as hell from the previous match. - Worse Sharpshooter than usual for Benoit. Maybe Rock rubbed off on him here. - Did King just call Benoit a toothless midget? While rooting for him? - I love how giddy Shane looks every time he gets the chance to interfere. - You can't powerbomb Benoit apparently. - I like the touch of Benoit waving no more rather than tapping. - How is Rock's reaction to the DQ not an oft-used GIF? - Well, there was a disqualification, Mick, just Rock didn't do anything to warrant one. - So many German suplexes, who does Benoit think he is, Brock Lesnar? - Ending's a bit out of nowhere, but still, great match. Think if that bet exists Jericho won it, though. As a kid I didn't like this PPV, mostly because of the one-two punch of Jericho and Benoit losing when I was pulling for them both. Looking back on it, the opening match is pretty good and the last two matches are both great, especially the Last Man Standing match, and those two alone are worth giving the show a look over. Which is good since most of the matches on the way to them aren't anything special. Next up, it's... Superbrawl 1994. Okey doke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 23:02:37 GMT -5
Superbrawl 1994 -THUNDERCAGE. - That shot of Vader in an electric chair doesn't look goofy at all. - Flair appears to be doing some really light exercises for trying to take on Vader. - Michael Hayes wasn't willing to work with an eccentric, colorful man who prances everywhere and wears make-up? No shit. - Kind of an amusing opening segment, though it runs a bit long and it's a weird choice to start the show with. I'd have probably led off with one of the other matches then done this set-up afterward. - Heenan sounds drunk off his ass right here. Harlem Heat vs. Thunder & Lightning- I'm just going to call them Booker and Stevie. Also, why are dressed like Goldust? -Well, Tony, one of these teams is on the verge of superstardom. The other one's got nWo Sting. - Should the face really be working an armbar for an extended period of time at the very start of the match? - How many more times is Heenan going to use that Batman & Robin joke? - Do Thunder & Lightning's movesets have anything that doesn't involve twisting the arm? - Oh, an arm drag, that's something new. Then back to the arm twisting. - Yeah, we really need a picture-in-picture of Flair, Arn, and Steamboat sitting around chilling. Actually we kind of do, this match sucks. - The answer on how many more times that joke comes up is eleventy bazillion. - A light kick to the side of the head to break up the pin was enough to get the win? - The WCW logo on that Area Restricted sign looks like a kindergartner drew it. And not well. The Equalizer vs. Jungle Jim Steele- Just looking at those ring names this looks like it is going to suck. - He's a jungle man from Florida. Precursor to Roman Reigns? - Even the commentators sound like they're bored out of their minds and this match just started. The crowd's dead too. - I just noticed that they're just kind of sitting right next to the ring, seemingly with no table or anything. - Don't mention a Too Cold Scorpio vs. Chris Benoit match during this, that sounds like it would be way more interesting! - That was like the anti-Hardcore Holly dropkick. - How do both guys involved botch an Irish whip? - That weak-ass Lou Thesz press got the pin? At least the last match ended in a kick in the head, I can kind of buy that putting someone down. - Don't replay that Lou Thesz press! - This is the second time tonight they're shilling the WCW Hotline. I kind of hope they keep it up, that's been better than either of the matches. - Ricky Steamboat should've gone corporate heel at some point, dude pulls off a suit nicely. - Shouldn't have gotten much promo time though. - "Vader has made it WELL KNOWN!!! that..." Weird mid-sentence yelling from Mean Gene there. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Terry Taylor- It's funny all the good work DDP's done these days, given here he looks like the anthropomorphic personification of drugs here. - That red bit on DDP's singlet is driving me nuts here because it's very blatantly off-center. - Terry Taylor's showing his aggression. - It's pretty miraculous that eventually DDP became, y'know, good. - The heart and determination that's made the Red Rooster one of the greats in this sport. - Why bother watching a monitor? They're so close to the ring they can probably perfectly see what's going on in it. - What's with this slow circling back and forth the camera's doing here? Was the cameraman bored? - This is not a great match, Tony. - DDP kind of seems to have just given up and started stiffing him at this point. - Seems kind of weird to give this German commentator a full-on promo, particularly given his grasp of English seems slightly shaky. Johnny B. Badd vs. Jimmy Garvin- Credit to Mero for doing a different style of entrance for the second time he comes out. - I like that for them saying Garvin would need to borrow gear from someone, he went ahead and borrowed a jacket while he was at it. - Why do they keep cutting over to close-ups of Hayes yelling? Once or twice I'd get the point but that's the second or third time inside of a minute. - What is with all of the armbars on this show? - This match is really, really long for the, "Manager being forced into a match to replace the cowardly heel," set-up they did earlier. - Do they really need a close-up on Hayes' bald spot? - Is this entire match a chinlock? - Would Badd's version of Hulking Up by Marcing Out? - Wait, Badd hit his finisher, then went and climbed on the top rope to wait until Garvin got up so that he could do a sunset flip for the pin? - I wish this show would experience 911. This would be better with everybody getting chokeslammed. Arn Anderson vs. Steven Regal- Arn's wearing a jacket with Enforcer on the back when someone with that as their ring name appeared earlier. Genius. Guess at least he has more claim to the name, plus it beats this random PPV I watched that had someone billed as the Nature Boy and using the Figure Four on the same card as Flair. - Arn Anderson's had the TV title many times, says Tony. I guess three is a lot. - I had no idea WCW was using Michael Buffer this far back. - I love that the belt's sideplates say TBS on them. - Hooray for tests of strength several minutes into the match. - My main takeaway from all of these old WCW shows I've been watching, I never want to see another hammerlock again. - Network's suddenly buffering really badly here and just stopped playing entirely, retrying it now. - There, running better now. - Good question, Regal's leg is covered in bandages, why the hell is Arn working his arm? - Amazing how this is the only match tonight where Heenan seems to give a shit, when it's just as boring as the rest of the card. Maybe it's because at least on paper this seems like it should be good. - Why the hell is this match going past the usual fifteen minutes, anyway? - From someone who's more of a WWE guy, it can be kind of disorienting to hear them keep using the name William in a Regal match and not be talking about him. - There, now Arn thinks to start going for the leg. - Why did Tony randomly mention Johnny B. Badd's glitter still being there? - Wow, Regal just didn't even bother to sell the spinebuster. - What the f*** was the point of the match running the full half hour only for Regal to win the thing anyway? Either go for the cheap draw or have Anderson pull it out at the last minute if this thing must run a full, boring half an hour. Cactus Jack & Maxx Payne vs. The Nasty Boys- Something to be said about somebody coming out playing a guitar against Maxx Payne. - Oh, okay, that was the point. Didn't know the guitar thing was a pre-WWF quirk for him. - So, if Cactus doesn't know the meaning of the word pain, does that mean he doesn't know who his partner is? - And then Heenan does a variation of that same joke. - I do like that they pretty quickly pretty much ditch tag team rules and just turn it into a fight. - I wouldn't exactly call this a masterpiece but man, I needed a brawl after all of the stuff in the first couple of hours of this show. - That spot with the railing was kind of nuts since there is no way Foley was able to protect himself there. - Jesus, why bring up the Cactus amnesia storyline? - And the first decent match of the night ends in a DQ. That about figures. I kind of want to track down the eventual rematch though, I've heard that one's fun. - I'm sure Hogan coming in led to great things for WCW! - Steamboat's promo now is way better than his one earlier. Rick Rude, Steve Austin, and Paul Orndorff vs. Sting, Flyin' Brian, and Dustin Rhodes- So, the cage they're hyping up so much is... seemingly the same one that was used for that Flair / Luger match from several years earlier that I watched the other day. - It's a six man tag in a cage and they're still bothering with legal men. Okay. - I like how this entire match consists of big names in forms that they're not primarily known for. - I like that spot of Sting using the Scorpion Death Lock early-in seemingly entirely to get the heels to come rushing in for him to get in some cheap shots on them. - Good show of how little the International title mattered that they outright say that being champion doesn't matter in this match and Rude didn't bother wearing the belt out. - They're barely using this cage so far and yet they're talking about how this match is showing how dangerous Vader's going to be later. Odd. - Clotheslineomania. - I like that Dustin's been both The Natural and The Bizarre One. - Why in naming how awesome everyone on the card is did Tony bring up the Enforcer? - Was this match setting up a face turn for Austin or something? It's weird how much they keep playing up his leg being hurt and how much heart he has. - Fun match, though that ending comes out of nowhere. Like that even with the match over they just keep beating the shit out of each other uninterrupted. Ric Flair vs. Vader- Why in the recap did they skip over Vader actually hitting whatever move he was going for and cut to talking about how brutal it was while showing neither man? - Mr. Vader is the best thing ever. That should've been his ring name. - This is the longest recap of all time. - How many matches he had nothing to do with did Big Boss Man referee in his career? - Hollar if ya hear the Bossman. - Makes Buffer sound kind of stupid saying Flair's wearing dark red when all we can see at the time is his black robe. - Also that red isn't even dark. - Nice of Bossman to not even be bothering with wearing a referee shirt. No, I'm not calling him The Boss. - How many more times are we going to hear, "You don't need to worry about no lock!"? - Flair overpowers Vader and stomps him into paste in the corner at the outset before effortlessly throwing him out of the ring. It's almost like he was friends with the booker or something. - Why did Flair bother taking Vader's mask off? - And how does Vader look so much more intimidating with that barely present mask than without it? - About the only spot so far involving the cage is the choking thing that could have been done with the ropes. Alright then. - It'd make more sense to talk about how Flair's going to make Vader suffer if he wasn't presently getting his ass kicked. - I think Heenan screwed up and called him the Bossman. No wonder they got sued. - It's no DQ, why is Bossman trying to keep Race from interfering? - Yeah, Heenan definitely just called him the Bossman. - So, how does Vader expect to win with Bossman handcuffed to the cage? And why are they focusing more on him trying to break the handcuffs than on Flair being beaten to a pulp? - And now here's Arn yelling, "Shit!" Man, this match is overbooked. And his mere presence is enough to make Flair able to fight back. - And there's Steamboat beating the cage with a chair. I get the point but they had to know how stupid that was. And why would Steamboat care, he's facing the winner regardless. - And Vader gets Montrealed on the Figure Four Miz must have learned the move from. - Called him the Bossman again. - Have to love that the heel got screwed by the referee while the face had the ref and two run-ins backing him up. - Bossman again. Well, that wasn't exactly a good PPV. Nothing was really agonizing to sit through, but the tag match and the first Thundercage were really the only things I'd call good and both had weak endings, the tag match's ending moreso. I definitely wouldn't recommend giving the show a look, other than maybe for how much of a trainwreck Flair / Vader is. Next up... Goddamn it, I have to watch the Michaels / Triple H Hell in a Cell. Maybe the other half of Bad Blood 2004 is better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 0:41:14 GMT -5
Bad Blood 2004 - One of the shots in the opening is Triple H Pedigreeing Michaels while Benoit's lying unconscious next to them. That sums this entire time period up. - Ah, the long tradition of WWE getting all of the use it possibly can out of the Punisher soundtrack. - "And you sold me up the riiiiiiverrrrrr..." Can we just keep with this opening for the whole show? I'd rather listen to this song for 45 minutes than watch Triple H / Michaels. - Jesus, the first performers we see are La Resistance? That can't be good. La Resistance vs. Edge & Chris Benoit- I don't think I realized they were still doing the ramp-side commentary table in 2004. - I'd seriously like to know why they had Benoit pulling double duty, other than maybe just because the tag division was the drizzling shits at this point. - It's a shame that for obvious reasons we'll never hear Whatever on TV again, that song rules. - What was with La Resistance suddenly changing their minds from loving France to loving French Canada? Was it just because Dupree got injured and thus cut off the only actual French connection they had? - If I'm being honest even a decade later I cannot bring myself to give a shit about La Resistance. - Have to love that Kane's such a monster he's being kind enough to let Benoit have his tag title shot uninterrupted rather than coming out and murdering him early. - Wait, why the hell have Edge and Benoit of all people fighting the anti-American, pro-Canadian heels? They're both Canadian! - Oh, there's Kane, sans music. And how on earth could Griener have not been able to reach the ropes right there? - I'm so glad we barely see the pointless endless bell-ringing these days. - Benoit's nipples are really pointy. - Coach vs. Eugene announced in advance with a backstage segment to hype it up. That's like if nowadays they had a hyped Brad Maddox / Adam Rose match, mostly in the sense that Adam Rose is probably brain-damaged. - I'm honestly kind of loving this segment. Bischoff is just so damn scummy. - Stop playing Sold Me every time you cut to pictures of the cell. It's ruining a decent song associating it with that match. Chris Jericho vs. Tyson Tomko- There's a reason the commentary's pretty much exclusively talking about Trish here. - That is the laziest bear hug of all time. - Even the Network's growing bored with this and suddenly buffering like crazy. - Oh yeah, this was during that period of time when Jericho was using an enziguri as a finisher for some reason. Randy Orton vs. Shelton Benjamin- Way to telegraph that Orton was winning this by showing Shelton pinning him two weeks in a row. - Actually, why didn't Shelton win the title then? It was the right time for it, plus having Edge end Orton's title reign meant absolutely nothing because nobody gave a shit about him at that point. - Man, Orton's promo here is so much better here than any Orton's done in years. Him freaking out over being booed in particular is pretty amusing. - Seriously, this promo is pretty awesome, where the hell did this guy go? - I love that as Orton demanded respect a giant RANDY ORTON sign held by like a dozen people slowly rose behind him. - Shelton's theme at this point was so much better than that harder version they put out later. - No, Shelton, shut up and give the mic back to Orton, he's surprisingly awesome. - I would've had the roll-up be it, that would've been a perfect payoff to that promo of Orton's. - I miss the giant 2 signs. - The main takeaway I'm getting from this match itself is that it's been a rough decade on Orton. - The moral joke was kind of clever. - The kickout after the neckbreaker puts them in a really private-looking position. - Seems a little weird to have the face be the one going for constant pins. - That backslide / kick / Dragon Whip sequence seems like it'd have been really impressive if it were quicker-paced. - How did the ref not see Flair putting Orton's foot on the rope? - Shelton! Why the f*** would you drag Flair to the ring and put him in the figure four instead of just letting him leave?! - Oh, that neat figure four / roll-up spot. That was cool enough to justify it. - Nowadays that would've been an RKO outta nowhere instead of a roll-through. - So is there any particular reason Bischoff had it out for Matt Hardy besides just being a dick? - Stop with the Hell in a Cell shots! We've already bought the PPV! Trish Stratus vs. Gail Kim vs. Victoria vs. Lita- Random close-up on one of the giant blood drops. They should bring this show and those things back. - Seriously, why on Earth did they not have Gail Kim use International Woman during her comeback run? That theme is a classic. - WITHMYBADSELF. A decade later I'm still hung up on how much better All the Things She Said is. - The champion is not at a disadvantage in a multi-person match. I hate this constant spin they do on it. Everyone else can lose by not being pinned too. - If Tomko doesn't leave the referee's going to DQ Trish... in a no-DQ match. - So Gail's where that cool flipping armbar choke thing in the games comes from. - Yes, Gail Kim is from Korea. Nowhere in particular, just Korea. - That ending was actually pretty awesome. Nice twist on the typical heel stealing someone else's pin ending for one of these matches. Eugene vs. Jonathan Coachman- There kind of is something wrong with living your dreams when it leads to you destroying a hotel room and getting a main eventer to take the heat for it. - This is sad, the pre-"Hard hittin', back breakin'," days. - Did JR just pronounce it Meecheegun? - So why is the referee not counting Eugene down during his weird fetal position spot? - I wish Eugene were still around so that his various ridiculous comedy spots would be in the games again. - Someone's gimmick should be summoning a woman carrying cookies. They turn heel by summoning Debra's cookies. - Garrison Cade and Coach were aligned? I... vaguely remember this but not particularly. Chris Benoit vs. Kane- Show has is less than halfway through and there are two matches left. Damn that Hell in a Cell match. - Kane envies Benoit, possibly because thanks to Snitsky he didn't have a family to kill. - There's kind of a ridiculous amount of Seether tonight. And it's really badly edited here too. - I miss Slow Chemical. - "That monster Kane insinuated himself into the match." Learn what words mean, King. - I'll be honest, I'm just sitting here dreading the match coming after it. - King's doing a pretty decent job of putting over how hopeless trying to use the Crossface on Kane is. Stark contrast to nowadays. - JR sounds kind of legitimately pissed at the obvious ugly joke Kane was setting up for. - Yeah, something tells me Benoit would be willing to break his neck again. - What's with Kane's weird hand gestures while in the Sharpshooter? - That is some strong panting. - Damn, I already used a Lesnar joke the last time I covered a Benoit match. - Benoit sells Kane's sit-up in a wonderful way, he just looks completely stunned for a moment then rushes back and starts suplexing him again. - German suplex count - six. - Is Kane's chest bleeding from the headbutt? - This match is actually doing a really good job of making Kane look completely unstoppable. - Security guy chasing someone in the crowd holding up a Good Times sign. - Kane, he's dead from the boot. Chokeslam him and get it over with. - Man, that match with Kane was way better than that other title defense against Kane from an Internet favorite who beat Triple H at a WrestleMania that's number was a multiple of ten and won in the main event by submission with a crossface to at long last become champion. Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels- The cell is lowering and a solid hour is left of this show. - You know what more than anything bugs me about this match? They went with this 45 minute wankfest of them killing each other to blow off their ridiculously long feud. . . and they faced each other on PPV again within about four months. - At this point Michaels was undefeated in Hell in a Cell too. And, y'know, Triple H actually wasn't. That was the best thing about that awesome Triple H / Batista match, they stopped claiming he was undefeated in them after it. - Triple H looks really haggard right here. - To end this rivalry once and for all, for a couple months. - Tons of stalling on these entrances. No shit given they're starting the main event with an hour left to go. - Seriously, I've seen this before, do I have to watch it? - Seriously, could they not have cut all of the standard match stuff at the start where they just completely ignore the cell? This really had to be as long as it is? - I always seem to forgot how horrible Triple H's hair was at this point. There are people in this world you should never want to look like, Greg Valentine is one of them. - I don't care what anyone says though, I dig the white boots. - I'll grant the post and cage spot is pretty cool, though that seems more like a monster heel kind of thing than a Triple H spot. - This might all be dramatic if the PPV didn't still have over a half hour left. Honestly this whole match'd probably be more effective if it went on halfway through the show and Benoit / Kane headlined. - I don't even know what to say here, other than just stressing again how they're going through end-of-match spots with like twenty minutes to go. - I guess plus side, that's a hell of a bloodjob from Michaels, but that's hardly rare. - Uh, in DX, Michaels was the better, tougher of the two. By far. - Sitting through this nonstop climax of a match is the supreme gutcheck. - I kind of wish I was watching JBL / Eddie Guerrero right now. Random I know but if I'm getting a bloodbath, really give me a bloodbath. - "Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit!" "The crowd chanting for HBK!" The most memorable part of the match right there. I'm dead serious, when I think of this match, after the length that's what my mind goes to. - And why does that get a holy shit chant anyway? Thanks to the roof he barely got any air on that at all, it would've been about the same height as if he just came off the top rope. - Where the hell is Evolution during this whole match anyway? - It would actually take more effort not to cover Michaels there. Triple H was just kind of keeping his arm hovering over his chest for no reason. - There, finally. The ending of both guys being out cold just makes me think, you're right, I should've been watching Triple H / Austin instead. This show largely depends on your tolerance for the main event. There's nothing that's really awful, or at least nothing that runs long enough for it to really count for much, and Benoit / Kane and Orton / Shelton are both pretty good. If you think you'll like the main event, you'll like this show; personally, I don't. But this is still a PPV where the highlight is a Randy Orton promo. Think about that. Next up, we have. . . Vengeance 2004. Dead serious. Well, my saga of Chris Benoit's World title run continues next time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 16:36:16 GMT -5
Again I'm doing some side work in the midst of this, so might be less notes than normal. Probably would be anyway, commenting on back-to-back PPVs isn't likely to give me much new to say. Vengeance 2004 - I don't know what to say about that recap video, outside of the fact that Raw's main event scene in 2004 was terrible and was basically all-Triple H for most of the year. Jonathan Coachman & Garrison Cade vs. Tajiri & Rhyno- Why on earth would you have a Coach match curtain-jerking, particularly one that was announced on Heat? - This is the most random tag team match of all time. And it's on PPV! Opening the show! - And King and JR would rather try and figure out how many countries there are than call this match. I don't blame them. - Man, Eugene was being overpushed at this point. This match is because of him, they're talking about him in the middle of it, he has a match on the show later, and he's involved in the main event storyline. - The commentary about Tajiri seems kind of racist. - How the hell is this match actually competitive? - Granted, not that much so. - They should have done more with this idea King suggests that Cade looks like the Hurricane. The Hurricade. - If Benoit's going to have a secret conversation with Eugene about Evolution, why the hell is he doing it inside of their locker room while they're in it? Chris Jericho vs. Batista- Oh, yeah, this was during that weird, "Batista's clotheslines are knocking everyone out," phase. - Batista's hair at this point in time was terrible. - Don't worry, Chris, you've got plenty more Intercontinental title runs coming. - The first ever Undisputed champion will never take a backwards step like, for instance, challenging for the Intercontinental title. - What is with Batista's seizure lighting here? At least his old theme kicks all sorts of ass. - If memory serves Batista won this match, though not certain. If so, that means Batista stood tall three weeks in a row then won the blowoff, which'd mean Jericho's modern philosophy isn't anything new. - And again they're talking about Eugene. - It's kind of astounding to be watching this boring filler match and know that Batista main-evented Mania the next year. - Stop randomly talking about Manitoba! - Wait, Jericho gets kneed in the gut off the lionsault and he sells his knee? - That enziguri being Jericho's finisher didn't last long. - Oh, okay, they go for an unnoticed rope break to try and mask Jericho being Batista's bitch through this whole feud. - Another Eugene and Evolution segment. Christ does Triple H's hair look bad here. - If nothing else Triple H's faux-big brother sort of act is honestly pretty entertaining. Ric Flair & Eugene vs. La Resistance- Ugh, I'm going to have to watch two La Resistance matches in the span of two days. - Mental midget! - I admit I chuckled at Eugene throwing the robe over the guy's face. - It sure is making the tag titles be good that La Resistance is being effortlessly destroyed by Flair right after Benoit and Edge had them beaten and Kane bailed them out. - Finished with what I was working on now. I wish I wasn't because I really don't care about this match. - And for the second PPV in a row La Resistance saves their titles on a DQ after completely getting their asses kicked. The faces of the tag division! Matt Hardy vs. Kane- Can we go back to this whole show being about Eugene? - What's with the pixelated backgrounds in this video package? - Kane's randomly wearing the towel on his head tonight. - Screw it, I'm finding something else to work on. - Did anyone anywhere by that ridiculous Matt Hardy shirt? - This commentary here is agonizing. You can tell JR's trying to play the ridiculous story straight but King is just killing any chance of that. - Biggest miracle since the Miracle on Ice? Would it be the Miracle on Fire then? - Kane's getting some pretty good trash talk in there. - Why didn't Matt come off this pissed and eager to kill during the Edge feud? - That chair to steps spot would be cool to see recycled at some point. Edge vs. Randy Orton- Oh, good, time for a really good match. No DQ match was better than I expected but I could still use this about now. - I'm really glad they aborted that Edge smashing through Evolution plan. That seems like it'd have been kind of awful. - Why did Orton not get his own solo theme until he was kicked out of Evolution, anyway? You'd think he would have gotten one eventually during his massive push at this point. - And the crowd's chanting for Orton, just to show how little people gave a shit about Edge at this point. - King's right, it didn't take Orton long to go from single to having his dozens of wives. - The commentary here's again pretty awful. - Kind of gets better as it goes with King doing more and more to talk up how awesome Orton is, and bringing up the crowd reactions to support his point. - The forearm spot's pretty fun, moreso than the same spot being done in the Cell since here it comes off like a natural part of the story instead of trying to be dramatic. - Ouch, Orton's lucky he didn't injure something on that top rope spot. - Nice touch of them working in the finish to the Shelton Benjamin match from the previous PPV as a false-finish. They really should have pointed that out on the commentary. - Man, Orton sold that spear like death. - Well, first time Orton's tasted defeat in a title match if you ignore SummerSlam 2003. Do like that he sells being absolutely furious and stunned over losing, though. - I'm kind of loving the drawn out freaking out of his here. Might mean more if the crowd hadn't largely been on his side but at least they play along with it. Molly Holly vs. Victoria- Number one contender's match on the PPV, the actual champion isn't. Why, was Trish injured or something? - Okay, commentary says she is. - I have seen entirely too many hammerlocks in my lifetime thanks to this stupid daily PPV thing. - Jesus, Victoria might have legitimately knocked her out with that superkick. Chris Benoit vs. Triple H- If you skip the rollthrough in recapping the Mania 20 ending, it just looks like Benoit and Triple H teleported. Really awkward. - Ha ha, they actually photoshopped a target on Benoit's chest. Are we supposed to take that seriously? - I love that Eugene's bandage has a smiley face on it. - Seriously, was, "You haven't beaten me one on one, and I've been unstoppable the past couple of years," too weak of a story so they needed to bring Eugene in on it? - I'm going to go grab something to drink during the entrances and just let them run, I doubt I'm going to miss much. - Nope, come back and Triple H's entrance is still going on. - JR says that Triple H is the second best technical wrestler in the world. Even as someone largely a fan of his... Ha ha, what? - Wait, what? The bell rings and then Benoit tries to go after Triple H but the referee pushes him back? What sense does that make? - How many times is JR going to say the word "emotional" in this sentence? - The crowd's pretty much dead for this, probably because the way it was built you knew there was no chance of Eugene not being involved in the finish. - Given Benoit's neck issues, his submission mainly involving the arms, and Triple H's finisher that hits the head. . . Why is Triple H working the torso of all places? - Pretty good match, but not really giving me much worth saying about it. Just kind of a paint-by-numbers technical match. - Jesus, that must've hurt Benoit bouncing off the barricade off that suicide dive. - Convenient for Triple H's Eugene plan that the referee just so happened to get bumped. - So what exactly is Eugene going to do that couldn't be done by one of the Evolution guys anyway, short of screwing it up so that Benoit retains? - GET THE REF! GET THE REF! - And Orton just doesn't bother showing up. Also nice to see that Batista's put on pants since his match but Flair hasn't. - A commentator's yelling YES! YES! YES! over and over again in a match involving a technical master, Triple H, and a ton of facial hair. - How did the ref not see Eugene hitting Triple H with the chair? Decent but not at all remarkable show. If you haven't seen Edge / Orton see it, it's a great match, but otherwise you can safely skip this one. Next up... Well, shit, this should be interesting. For the first time since it aired (though I've rewatched the main event since), I'll be watching Money in the Bank 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 20:24:10 GMT -5
Honestly, my first time seeing this show, I liked it a good bit but I've never seen it as the all-time classic a lot of people cite it as. Let's see if that changes; I've seen the main event more than once already so probably not changing my opinion on that one. Money in the Bank 2011 - Ha, was there example of a Vince yes man Ziggler of all people? - They really shouldn't have added that fired stipulation. I guess it was to try to make the story just as much about Cena but it really wasn't and they didn't even pretend to deliver on it. I guess it set up the Triple H COO changeover but that's about it. - This package keeps making me want to see MVP show up. - I really hate that money theme of theirs. Like, so damn much. Sin Cara vs. Wade Barrett vs. Justin Gabriel vs. Sheamus vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Heath Slater vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Kane- As per the tradition of the World title Money in the Bank match both coming earlier in the show and being the better of the two matches. - I wish the past couple of years had kept up the tradition of Sin Cara being powerbombed through a ladder. Though we're not to that point yet obviously. - It looks pretty weird at this point seeing Barrett without his shoulder tattoo and beard. - It took me a minute to remember that Gabriel used to use Power. It's so much of a better fit on Otunga. - I don't have anything to say about Sheamus. - I miss Undashing Cody so damn much. - Black and White should have been kept around way, way longer than it was. Gabriel or Slater would be a main eventer at this point with that theme. - This pasty guy with barely any hair and basically no crowd reaction will never amount to anything. - Barrett and Sin Cara own the UK and Mexico? - This is just making me miss the Gabriel and Slater team. Why did they even break up? - Yeah, Heath, that's what you get for moving behind someone who's about to eat the Beautiful Disaster. - Vintage Daniel Bryan bashing! - DAT SUPUH HERO! - Sin Cara actually did a decent job in this match. - Sin Cara pointing mockingly at Barrett after he injured his arm is pretty funny. - I just noticed, Sheamus's trunks here are kind of awful. - Well, Sin Cara's dead. See you in thirty days! - I disagree Cole, the one time Kane actually did manage to get the briefcase it was using a ladder bigger than that, so clearly he needs a large one. - The whole thing of the Corre working together before splitting would have worked more if, y'know, they hadn't randomly broken them up on the way to the match for no reason. - I like that Slater and Gabriel really don't try fighting each other when it's just them, they just kind of shove and slap at each other until Cody interrupts. - Funny, them talking about how Sheamus has never won the World title but would love to add it to his resume when he's in the middle of fighting Bryan. - I tend to mark for the Doomsday Device and variations thereof. - Justin, it's your fault for trying to axe handle smash Kane. What did you expect to happen? - "This could make Daniel Bryan TONIGHT!" "Or it could make Heath Slater." Yeah, that's a pretty ridiculous exchange. - The ladder-chucking on Slater is pretty absurd but awesome. - Why would Sheamus climb the side with the ladder ramp under it other than just to get killed? - I love Cody pointing at Kane and yelling, "Finish him!" at Gabriel. - One thing I really love about this match is how they had the final three be the only feasible winners of it. Watching it live it gave it a lot of suspense. - I remember mostly being annoyed when this happened since Bryan largely wasn't over at all (though I did like him) and I was pulling for Barrett or Cody. I'd figure things worked out okay for him from here. - Nice that Cole doesn't know how to pronounce Laurinaitis. Brie Bella vs. Kelly Kelly- Even back then Brie was hanging around any time Bryan accomplished something. - I completely forgot that Kelly Kelly ever had the Divas title. Like, this is kind of legitimately surprising, though now I remember her bitching out Beth Phoenix repeatedly. - Seriously, this feud's built around the Bellas calling Kelly thin? - Wow, Brie Bella of all people thinks to club the stomach in an abdominal stretch. I think the last time I watched a match where someone was smart enough to do that it was freaking Chris Benoit. - "She doesn't even eat, how can you not beat that?" Nikki's kind of awesome. Big Show vs. Mark Henry- This feud still really doesn't make any sense. - Henry wearing Sexual Chocolate Blue tonight. It looks disgusting because the singlet's already completely soaked. - The dark gold on Henry's singlet just makes it look like it's splitting in the right light. - Henry took that step spot like a man, particularly for someone that size. - Dropkicking the steps into someone should be a more common spot. Not much more common but I think this is the only time I've seen it. - Weird how this match is actually pretty good but their ones later in the year, y'know, weren't. Though that could be because this one was basically a squash. - Has anyone been Pillmanized since this? - What are they chanting while Show's being wheeled off? - Vince's promo here is pretty funny in light of where things have gone with him nowadays. Alberto Del Rio vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Jack Swagger vs. Evan Bourne vs. R-Truth vs. Alex Riley vs. The Miz vs. Rey Mysterio- What, no Ricardo? - I forgot all about the spot in this match with everyone fetching a ladder during their entrances. Which says something because that's the most memorable part of it. - R-Truth was so much better at this point in time than whatever the hell he's doing right now. - This is the most jobberiffic Money in the Bank match ever. Also the opening note of Riley's theme always just makes me think of Benoit's. - Abbreviated verison of Mysterio's theme for some reason. Could they not spare an extra ten seconds or something? - Why did Miz pass on hitting Mysterio from behind? He had a perfect opening for it and stared at him for a second and then just turned to go back to beating on Riley. - Mini ladder sumo! - Riley scrambling up the mini ladder then Miz rushing up it to brawl with him on top looks so damn absurd. - R-Truth did a plancha? Okey dokey. - A full half of the people in this match are no longer active, two of them gone from the company entirely. - And now Miz is injured. I really don't get the logic of having him make the miracle comeback then tough his way through the injury to get to the finals of the WWE title tournament the next night. - Convenient that they not only both used hurricanranas, both of them sent their respective heel flying out of the ring. - Why did Mysterio pull up the ladder to block himself in the corner, other than just to set up Kofi slamming him down on it a second later? - The f*** happened to Alberto? He just kind of ran toward a ladder Kofi was holding, Kofi jumped or something, and he just shot out of the ring and hit the announce table. - I have no idea what Truth was doing but the end result was Swagger getting Mercuried so success. - Talking about Twitter, a sign of things to come. - Evan Bourne is f***ing nuts, falling off of the ladder and hitting the floor unprotected. - That Kofi and Swagger landing was sick. - Mysterio has some really screwed-up priorities that he'd rather hide his face than win the match. - See, Rey, this is your fault. If you'd kept the mask off when you lost it, we wouldn't have had Alberto interrupting the Punk and Cena storyline. - Even if there were rules in the match, ripping Rey's mask off wouldn't be against them. - Alberto's theme isn't as good for a background theme to these replays as Ride of the Valkyries was. Randy Orton vs. Christian- Well, it's the second of three championship matches, but I don't blame Cole for forgetting about Brie / Kelly. - The really confusing thing is why Christian didn't wait and lose the title to Orton at Over the Limit. That's how they're treating it in this recap anyway. - Wait, why recap the match then cut to an Alberto interview? - I've gotta admit, I find it hard to care about this match because they faced each other upwards of a billion times at this point in time and they were all basically the same match, this is just the one Christian sort of won. - And that one guy for a lot of people is Triple H. - Wait, Orton will lose the title on a DQ but not a count out? What sense does that make? - It's weird how only once he stopped doing the diving headbutt that Christian suddenly started getting concussions every other match. - That's the worst thing about this series of matches to me. Every match Orton kicked out of every big move of Christian's, not once in the entire feud did Christian kick out of an RKO. - So, Orton's kind of an idiot. - Ah, the biggest feud of the summer, Orton vs. the announce table. - It's a good thing they set up that Bryan wanting to cash in at Mania thing after this, keeps me from being a smartass and asking why he's not cashing in on Christian's corpse. - There's no place for bullying, unless the guy just spit in your mouth and took your title. In that case, murder him. CM Punk vs. John Cena- I'm just going to pause this and go into my thoughts on this match before it starts, before we see if the third time is the charm for me. Personally, I think it's a pretty good match - about the only good Punk / Cena match I've seen in my opinion though I haven't seen their fabled Raw match from last year - but that's almost entirely on the red hot start and end of it, with the middle part having a lot of downtime and boring parts with plenty of botches to be seen. I also think the entire story of the match is how much better Cena is than Punk, with him basically getting stomped for most of it and being lucky to get in any of his big moves up until Cena has him beaten at the end and chooses to let it go in the name of being honorable then paying for it. I don't at all see it as an all-time classic and I think the only reasons that it has that reputation are because of the crowd and what it meant for Punk's career. That being said, let's get to it. - It's pretty astounding to me that we were supposed to see Punk as the heel here. - I imagine between the race issues and the various company issues, Vince is saying, "I apologize, you son of a bitch!" a lot these days. - Pretty weird seeing Punk come out in the Best in the World shirt to This Fire Burns, probably since this is the only time it happened. - Also, like how his namebar says The Nexus on it. Not even The New Nexus, just The Nexus for some reason. - I will grant this is a pretty magical entrance. And I love that the arena just happens to have Pepsi signs everywhere. - Cena's is too because the crowd makes the Hammerstein look like they absolutely loved him, and he sells the seriousness of it by just quickly walking straight to the ring with no antics. - Will he be hero or will he be goat? I thiiiink I get what Cole's trying to say but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the context. - JIYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNN - Cole listing all kinds of former WWE Champions is a nice touch to start things out on given the storyline. - That's not remotely the Anaconda Vise. - Again, I really don't get them trying to paint Punk as the heel here. It just shows a massive disconnect with the large amount of dissatisfaction with the company, particularly at this point in time. - Though again, the commentary lines up eerily with how Vince probably thinks of the current situation with Punk. - That was a really sloppy bulldog. - Some really noticeable Juggalos deep in the background. - During the various back and forth restholds I'm kind of paying more attention to the specifics of their mannerisms than I have in previous viewings, wanting to really give this match a look through fresh eyes. - Why is the General Manager podium there when it never got used during the show? - The diving knee to the back of the head's pretty cool, though kind of confusing that the GTS could get three on someone but that didn't. - I think this storyline's really what killed the World title. The entire thing is just talking about how awesome the WWE title is and that it's so much harder to get than the World one. - That diving crossbody was really badly botched, I'm not sure on whose part. - Cena just kind of stops selling the leg mid-move, it's weird. - Cena's dancing around waiting for Punk to get up seems to have inspired Lesnar's at SummerSlam, very similar movements there. - Cena, learn from your future would-be sister-in-law, punch the ribs! Granted, Cena's actual execution is waaaaaay better than Brie's and him working the leg to help his grip also works. - Cena being kicked in the head during the Five Knuckle Shuffle's always cool. Wonder if this was the first time it happened, guessing not. - One thing I am noticing this time around is that every move choice seems very deliberate and well-orchestrated, like they never just suddenly have spots happen out of nowhere. Everything's moving forward in a very calculated, deliberate way that flows pretty well. - How is Punk landing on his tailbone off the AA better than landing on his back? - The knee / bulldog combo against the ropes instead of in the corner is a neat twist on things and either Cena sells it well or Punk legitimately kneed the f*** out of him. - That crossbody / AA / GTS / STF / Anaconda Vise / AA counter sequence is pretty fantastic. Though Cole now doesn't recognize the Vise when Punk actually uses it. - Though it's not a very effective nearfall, kind of comes off as too out-of-nowhere to possibly end it and you can hear it in the crowd not really buying it. - Punk countered with the worst powerbomb of all time. Well, not done by Khali. - The AA after that doesn't really work too well either, too deliberate that time. In a match like this it's kind of a tricky balance admittedly. - Punk sells his despair over Cena getting out of the ring on the GTS really well, particularly in hopelessly trying to catch him on the way down. - I guess to be fair to the ending with Cena getting distracted, the only reason Punk gets put in the STF is due to being distracted himself. - Why would Punk would leave Chicago? Kinda lives there. - And why did Vince use the headset to demand Alberto instead of grabbing a mic so, y'know, the crowd would hear it? - Okay, I'll grant. . . Third time was the charm. I won't call it a perfect match like a lot of people, the many botches really bugged me too much and the match has a little too much downtime, plus I still think the match is too heavily slanted in Cena's favor for the story it's trying to tell, but if I were the type to give out star ratings, I'd feel comfortable with giving it at least ****, possibly slightly higher. Well, no f***ing duh you should see this show if you haven't. The opener and, I'll admit it, the main event warrant that, and most of the rest of the card delivers too. Next up. . . This'll be interesting, the one PPV I have ever attended, and a show I have never watched since seeing it in person - Invasion.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 1, 2014 4:09:24 GMT -5
I think you're still slightly underselling the Punk/Cena match.
For me, the botches actually added to it. It told a story, that both men were letting it all hang out in the longest match either man had had in years.
Also, I don't think Punk IS the heel in this storyline. I think the company itself is the heel, and Punk is the antihero babyface. Cena just happens to be representing the company, he isn't a heel himself - he is just on this occasion, the avatar of a heel company. To me that adds shades of grey to the storyline in a way that WWE is usually too incompetent to achieve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 4:16:27 GMT -5
I think you're still slightly underselling the Punk/Cena match. For me, the botches actually added to it. It told a story, that both men were letting it all hang out in the longest match either man had had in years. Also, I don't think Punk IS the heel in this storyline. I think the company itself is the heel, and Punk is the antihero babyface. Cena just happens to be representing the company, he isn't a heel himself - he is just on this occasion, the avatar of a heel company. To me that adds shades of grey to the storyline in a way that WWE is usually too incompetent to achieve. See, in some ways the botch thing can work, but for me, a botch is a botch. And it doesn't make them look more out of it to see Punk awkwardly smack into Cena's knees off a crossbody and have him sell his gut anyway, it just makes them look like they screwed up. Also, while they undoubtedly took the storyline in that direction eventually, throughout the whole video package and especially on the commentary, all three of them are talking about how Punk is a master of brainwashing people which is why he's being cheered and how he was demanding to be the face of the company without having earned it like Cena had, plus there was that week in the build-up when he sent New Nexus after Cena in a handicap match. The end kind of served as his face turn but they were treating him as a heel. Though like I said in the recap, my opinion on the match did approve watching it this time. I don't think it's a perfect match, but I went from thinking it was pretty good but dull in patches to being a genuinely great match. I just do not think it's an absolute all-time best one like a lot of people do.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 1, 2014 4:18:54 GMT -5
I think you're still slightly underselling the Punk/Cena match. For me, the botches actually added to it. It told a story, that both men were letting it all hang out in the longest match either man had had in years. Also, I don't think Punk IS the heel in this storyline. I think the company itself is the heel, and Punk is the antihero babyface. Cena just happens to be representing the company, he isn't a heel himself - he is just on this occasion, the avatar of a heel company. To me that adds shades of grey to the storyline in a way that WWE is usually too incompetent to achieve. See, in some ways the botch thing can work, but for me, a botch is a botch. And it doesn't make them look more out of it to see Punk awkwardly smack into Cena's knees off a crossbody and have him sell his gut anyway, it just makes them look like they screwed up. Also, while they undoubtedly took the storyline in that direction eventually, throughout the whole video package and especially on the commentary, all three of them are talking about how Punk is a master of brainwashing people which is why he's being cheered and how he was demanding to be the face of the company without having earned it like Cena had, plus there was that week in the build-up when he sent New Nexus after Cena in a handicap match. The end kind of served as his face turn but they were treating him as a heel. We can agree to disagree on the botches, but as for the commentary, that's precisely my point though, that even though the commentators are a mix of face, heel or neutral, they ALL are against Punk. That's how meta the storyline got, that kayfabe alignments no longer mattered because the commentators work for WWE and WWE hates Punk. Or at least, that's my head canon.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 1, 2014 9:44:45 GMT -5
HHH-HBK Hell in a Cell is like Man of Steel. At some point you're sick and tired of the loud bangs and thuds and fireworks, but there's still half an hour to go. - So, like. . . Were there any good Sting / Bret matches? Because this is two consecutive bad ones I've seen on these PPVs. Almost never. Only one I can think of was a Nitro in October '99, when Sting was in that stupid heel phase. However, it did seem to suit Bret better playing the face against him, so that was a decent 15-minute or so match. The rest weren't much good at all, I think they were oil and water (and that Havoc '98 bout possibly the very dullest). - I guess to be fair to the ending with Cena getting distracted, the only reason Punk gets put in the STF is due to being distracted himself. This bit gets swept under the rug all the time. It does annoy me, but sometimes people don't like facts getting in the way of a good argument I guess
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 0:39:16 GMT -5
Doing some side work in the midst of this so everyone's aware. Honestly sort of tempted to do an episode of Raw and an episode of Nitro back-to-back as a warm-up like with Robocop since Nitro's up now, but Invasion in its own right should be an interesting experience seeing as I haven't seen it since I was there live and I barely remember it. The main reason for that being that I was deep in the nosebleeds. Like, practically touching the ceiling I was so high up, to the point where I had to watch off the Titantron because the in ring stuff I could barely tell what was going on. Basically to the point that one of the very few people I was able to recognize looking straight at the ring was Big Show. That being said, let's do this. Invasion - Weird how the opening video seems mostly focused on the ECW invasion rather than the WCW one. Speaking of, they really should have kept them as three distinct groups; I know they couldn't because of copyright issues with ECW but still. - This opening video is really intense, kind of to the point of parody. - Wait, why was Playstation sponsoring this? Pretty damn sure the PS2 was out at this point. I mean, later that year the Gamecube came out. Lance Storm & Mike Awesome vs. Edge & Christian- And we open up with Lance Storm and Mike Awesome getting jobber entrances to cut a promo. That's always a good sign to kick off a PPV. - It took an absurdly long period of time for Edge and Christian to break up after they started setting it up. - Seems a little weird to not have Heyman on commentary here. - Awesome's lucky he didn't get Brodus Clayed on not catching Storm properly there. - I'm liking all of the WCW continuity so far, bringing up Storm and Awesome having teamed up before there and the titles Storm held. - The back-and-forth interruptions from Christian and Awesome in between various roll-ups is a pretty awesome sequence. - That was a sloppy spear even by Edge's standards, though. - Also a really sloppy spear from Christian. - Hooray for Vince screaming, "Reek of awesomeness!" - What on earth is Regal wearing? Red kneepads and purple trunks? What? Nick Patrick vs. Earl Hebner- Why have this match at all this early? - Are they using the same generic theme for both of them? - He bleeds WWF blood, and sells WWF merch. - How the f*** have I wound up with two different PPVs featuring Nick Patrick matches during all of this? - There's no way Foley didn't see that low blow. - Well, at least it was short. - Why start the show out 2-0 in WWF's favor, anyway? It makes it look weird having the Alliance manage the come-from-behind victory for the night. - Tough Enough ad! Why isn't that on the Network anyway? - So, did they ever establish if Debra was in on the kidnapping thing? I'd assume so given it seems like no one ever called the cops on DDP over it. Sean O'Haire & Chuck Palumbo vs. APA- K-Kwik! - At a combined weight of whatever, the WCDUB! - Of the guys in this match, the longest-lasting ones after this point are Bradshaw and the referee. Who'd have called that? - Even at this point O'Haire was kind of creepy-looking. - Invasion was in the same arena as the Raw the night of the buyout? That's a really cool touch. - Really, Faarooq needed a rope break to kick out of having his shoulder rammed into the steps? - Did Teddy Long nearly fall over there? - Ha, Cole, Vince was never going to give O'Haire or Palumbo the time of day. - Now 3-0. This booking is seriously baffling, if only for how it puts it into having a bunch of heels winning in a row. - Paul Ew Gross Heyman. - Is this Jericho promo on Heyman's DVD? It kind of should be because it's setting him up as the biggest heel of all time. - What is up with Stephanie's voice here? X-Pac vs. Billy Kidman- I got everything I ever wanted, and I'll never give that back. . . - I love that V ramp. I want to see them use that for a Mania. - Actually X-Pac more just got straight apathy, but if you call that cheering, JR. - And there's the X-Pac Heat. - That baseball slide / bulldog combination thing was pretty neat. - How didn't Kidman break his knees on that over the top rope spot? That was an ugly landing. - X-Pac just did the impossible. Or does it count if it's out of the corner? - That was a really sloppy X-Factor. And why have Kidman kick out of his finisher in a random filler match? - That is the best Bronco Buster counter of all time. - I'm kind of loving all the random segments of the McMahons and Heyman hanging out with their guys. - Jesus, why is Stacy Keibler being allowed to speak? Raven vs. William Regal- Fair bit of boos for Regal too. - Regal's kneepads, trunks, and boots are all different colors and it looks awful. - I'm still sort of confused on the structuring of this show. Why did they have it set up so that not only are there a bunch of heel wins in a row, but you knew it'd happen because the Alliance needed to catch up before the main event for that to matter any? - ECW's about money? Ha ha, what? - This sounds like a better match on paper than it actually is. - Chavo vs. Scotty 2 Hotty on Heat? I'd kind of rather be watching that than most of this actual card. - Really? They needed to protect William Regal with a run-in? - They beat Kane down like a duck? Big Show, Billy Gunn & Albert vs. Sean Stasiak, Kanyon & Hugh Morrus- Why have a random filler multi-man tag match on a show where a much bigger one is the main event? - Billy Gunn's theme at this point is so damn awesome. - Oh, yay, the X-Factor theme twice in one night! - Who the hell brings a detailed drawing of Albert as their sign of choice? - This music is just making me think I'd rather be watching a Mr. Perfect match. - It kind of makes it look less impressive for Big Show and Albert to be Gorilla pressing someone if Billy Gunn's doing it too. - Why didn't they do an Intercontinental vs. US Champion match for this show anyway? Granted, I have no idea who the US champ was and it'd be giving us a solo Albert match. - Billy Gunn and Sean Stasiak look exactly the same here. - This match has kind of a ridiculous amount of random finishers given the guys involved. - The f*** happened after that reverse DDT? At least the match was short. - Well, that Alley Oop was ugly. One of the lamest finishers of all time but I can't help but kind of love it. - Okay, that answers that, Booker had the US title. I was going to guess him then remembered he was WCW Champion so I figured that'd be stupid. Tazz vs. Tajiri- How many times did Tazz turn back and forth during his WWF run anyway? - Why is JR talking about Tazz's center of gravity? - That's like the third time they've called Tazz the most dominant ECW champion. - And more putting over Heyman as the main threat in all of this. Really bizarre. - Now Tazz is showing his aggression. - You don't have to make up things to describe what Tazz did there, that was an Alabama slam. - Remember when they called it the Spider at first? - Really, Cole doesn't know what the Tazzplex is? - Did the ref just not notice the mist? There was absolutely no attempt to hide it. - Surprise murderer RVD. - I hope that was a genuine fan. Would anyone put it past Hardcore Holly honestly? Rob Van Dam vs. Jeff Hardy- I'm really glad RVD's generic theme didn't last long. I can't listen to it without just mentally subbing in the lyrics to One of a Kind. - So, given they mentioned earlier Mike Awesome had the Hardcore title for a bit, why isn't this match between him and Jeff? - Jeff's glove shirt is kind of ridiculous. - How weird is it having a Jeff Hardy / RVD hardcore match that doesn't immediately turn into a spotfest? - Is kind of neat seeing how crazy over RVD is here. - That sunset flip was pretty awesome but dunno if it warranted a holy shit chant. - Jeff is nuts. - I reiterate, Jeff is nuts. - Do find it weird how they're basically not even trying to pin each other, though. Then again not complaining, this is just one big insane spotfest and it's awesome. - I'd figure Jeff's fighting less for the WWF fans and more to retain his title. - Turnbuckle dropkick chair shot's always cool, but don't tease the Van Terminator like that. - RVD's also nuts judging by that DDT sell. - And that German suplex sell. - Kind of surreal hearing someone say the word "shit" in a WWF promo. Stacy Keibler & Torrie Wilson vs. Lita & Trish Stratus- Yeah, their personal issues began a couple of weeks prior, not about a year before that when they repeatedly whipped each other. - Have to like how for the WCW girls they keep playing the generic sexy music and having them talk about how hot they are but for the WWF ones they're playing them up as actual competitors. - Trish is going to force Torrie to give her a blowjob? - I don't understand why Foley reffed either of the matches, much less both. - Torrie doesn't get music, yet her and Stacy have separate entrances? - Okay, she does get music, it's just so low you can't hear it until she's almost to the ring. - Would there be anything against the rules in a bra and panties match to wear two pairs of pants, or a jacket or something? - Cole had his fake laugh down even back then. - "Why the hell am I calling wrestling moves?" And after that, Cole never did it again. - So after all of that build up about Trish and Lita not liking each other and having issues, they get along the whole match, win clean, and walk away hugging. - Well, it's even if you count the Heat match. Which I do because othewise the whole show's pointless because who the hell has a showdown show with an even number of matches? The Inaugural Brawl- Yeah, I agree, Stephanie probably does have the power to run the company out of business. - And he took a cameraman with him. - Yeah, this video package has made its point, it can stop now. - Again prioritizing Heyman over Shane and Stephanie. Not complaining but it shows how he should've just been the one behind it in the first place. - Granted, Foley's promo from One Night Stand 2006 kind of justifies the Stephanie thing. - I figure Taker's more pissed over his wife being stalked than over Freddie Blassie being trasktalked, JR. - Give them this, the commentary, the lengthy entrances, and the build-up throughout the night make the Inaugural Brawl seem like a huge deal. - When did Booker switch to the WWE version of his theme anyway? - He's no Ric Flair, he's no Sting. We could afford him. - Still sounds weird without the You Suck chants. - Glass Shatters is pretty much the best theme ever. - Though given where it's going, why is Austin being actively involved in the fighting and kind of stomping the hell out of Booker and Rhyno? - From a storyline perspective why didn't the ECW guys bring in their titles, anyway? - Like, what's the deal here, did Austin decide to turn mid-match or was he just trying to avoid suspicion and pick his spot? - Have to give them credit, this is a stacked line-up. Two Hall of Famers and seven more surefire ones. And Rhyno. - Looks weird seeing Kane in the weird see-through singlet but with the full mask. - Have to like how obviously Bubba jumped to get hit with the clothesline because Kane jumped too high. - Make more sense to be talking about how much Taker wants to kill DDP if he were fighting, y'know, DDP right now instead of Bubba Ray. - What's with the plain black tights DDP has on? - Austin's sure helping his guys by stomping the shit out of Booker. - Keep saying she's the nicest lady you've ever met when she kicks you in the balls in a few years, JR. - And the crowd's chanting how much Heyman sucks instead of Rhyno who's actually in the ring. That sounds about right. - This storyline kind of implies that yeah, Vince should've moved on and retired around this point. - Jericho looks really out of place here. Everyone else has professional-looking gear, except Austin, DDP, and Taker who are at least instantly recognizable, but he just looks like some guy. - It is a nice bit of foreshadowing of Austin being the one to set up Angle being ganged up on in the corner by distracting the ref, at least. Mean more if not for all of the physical stuff he's done throughout the match. - Taker goozled Charles Robinson in order to hit the Last Ride? Okay. - Be nice if they'd show up what's happening to Bubba Ray instead of just talking about it. - This should've been no DQ, probably would've been a blast and it pretty much turns into it at the end anyway. - Why did the Dudleys bother grabbing a table? They're right by the announce tables which have been stripped? - That could've ended badly for Kane, they forgot to remove one of the monitors. - Wow, Rhyno's the one who got bodychecked through the conveniently standing table. Sure that's a new experience for him. - Seems risky for Austin to throw the ref in before Stunnering Angle given, y'know, Booker was tapping. - Really convenient that person in the crowd just happened to have a sign for if Austin happened to sell out. Almost like it was predictable. The main event's pretty fun if you ignore the massive plot hole in it, and RVD / Jeff Hardy is a great spotfest that's worth tracking down. Other than that, the show isn't a trainwreck or anything but most of the matches are too short to amount to anything and it makes for a pretty lacking experience. If you want to watch it it couldn't hurt but I wouldn't recommend it. .... It's December to Dismember.
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Post by Shark on Sept 2, 2014 3:07:00 GMT -5
I want to say Foley was the referee for the Patrick-Hebner match to make sure there was no bias. And he reffed the women's match because he's Mick Foley and talked his way into it lol.
I'll pray for you as you watch December to Dismember.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 10:02:25 GMT -5
That's the official announcers' polite way of saying the guy is a bit chunky. That, or "tendon strength" or "deceptively strong".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 20:07:05 GMT -5
. . . Let's do this. December to Dismember - This Heyman promo they're cutting up and using for this video package is dumb as hell, but he does his best to sell it. - Did they ever put this arena in the games? I'm wanting to say they did. - I find it hard to hate too much on any show that has Bodies as its theme. Though I could be watching SummerSlam 2001 instead, which sounds like a much better idea. - Four, NOTHIN' WRONG WITH ME!!! - I kind of just want to sit here listening to Bodies the full two hours. But instead. . . MNM vs. The Hardys- I could live without ever hearing the MNM theme again. Nothing against them (well, some things against Melina), just man is it annoying. - Why did they only announce them as Mercury and Nitro? - Was that Bull Dempsey the Hardys beat? - The Hardys' theme on the other hand I can totally stand to listen to again. - And they bill them as Team Extreme just the namebar says The Hardys. Already between that and the Nitro and Mercury thing this show's amateur as hell. - Nope, not only is this not the last time MNM and the Hardys face each other, it's not the last time that they're on ECW as half the guys in the match later won the ECW title. - What is up with Melina's face here? It looks like she had a clown do her make-up and he thought he was basting a turkey. - Tazz is claiming that Mercury and Nitro could be brothers. No wonder Joey Styles sounds flustered and kind of pissed, what the hell? - A lot of things don't bode well for Joey Mercury around the Hardys. - That was a pretty neat counter to Jeff's jawbreaker. - Turns out you can totally powerbomb Johnny Nitro. - Styles and Tazz keep coming off like they actively hate each other. - I do like that there's no WWE bug on the corner of the screen. Though the ECW one once you notice it is really distracting since it's much bigger and more colorful. - They should rehire Morrison and Melina, put them, Mercury, and Miz together, and call it MMMM. - I just noticed, what on earth is with Jeff's hair here? It's like dreadlock pigtails. - I like that MNM didn't limit themselves to just ripping off one of the Hardys' moves and tried the Twist of Fate / Swanton combo while at it. Neat touch. - Ow, that was a rough landing there off Matt's dive out of the ring. - Seriously, Jeff doing a crossbody off the top rope to three guys outside the ring gets a, "Holy shit!" chant? - See, that's why you don't needlessly stack your finishers for no reason. - This match is kind of dragging at this point. Then again, this match needs to run as long as it possibly can since it's pretty much a quarter of the show by itself. - The Swanton would have hurt less is MNM were covered in peanut butter. - Do we really need more than one replay of Nitro dropkicking Melina in the face? Then again Morrison could probably stand to do that more often. - ECW.com exclusive that they're presently showing on the PPV. Matt Striker vs. Balls Mahoney- Matt Striker has a pretty awesome minitron. - You know the physical object is still just a standard Elimination Chamber, right? - This promo seems to be an explanation of the thought process behind this whole show. - Was Tazz calling Striker gay there? That sounded like a gay joke. - Stop trying to talk about how technically sound Balls Mahoney is and let him hit something with a chair. - That picture of his face on his ass makes it look like there's a massive hole in Striker's trunks. - Yeah, that was calling him gay. - Actually, have to like how they pretty much had that promo at the start draw attention to there somehow not being an Extreme Rules match on an ECW PPV. - Joey finds the "facey ass" comment much too funny. - Wait, they set up a series of rules to put it in Striker's favor and get him over as an obnoxious heel and he just gets squashed anyway? I knew about it but that's still just so bizarre. - Punk's hairline looks really thin here. - Bullshit chant. Probably more of those yet to come. Sylvester Terkay & Elijah Burke vs. The FBI- The titantron and minitron are centered entirely around Burke, yet his jacket has Terkay's name on the back of it? - So Burke and Terkay are going to piss on the ring? - THE MANBEAR. - I'm honestly not paying attention to this match, but neither are the commentators, they're just talking about Sabu. - Really, between all of the random promos, the mostly unannounced card, the short length, the backstage skits, and the meaningless nothing matches no one remembers, this is really just a shitty episode of Raw that inexplicably ends in an Elimination Chamber. - Guido sold that kick to the chest like a champ, give him that. - The most interesting part of this show's the crowd. First match, they were hot. Second, they were largely big into it but died at the end when Balls just won clean and left. The Sabu thing pissed them off and by this point you just hear like two guys chanting, "We want tables!" with mostly silence outside of that. - Why are they chanting for Test and Albert? - Have to like that Punk looks way more concerned for Sabu than RVD does despite really having nothing to do with him. Daivari vs. Tommy Dreamer- Daivari has the worst minitron of all time. - They're still talking about how they've never seen someone manhandle Taker like Khali did six months after the fact. - Still talking about Sabu. Still not really paying attention. - Chinlocks. EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEME!!! - Still EXTREME. - If only somebody would genuinely mount someone. At least if random inexplicable gay porn broke out at least it wouldn't be so boring. - "The Dream Man" Dusty Rhodes? I don't think Tazz knows what he's talking about. - Joey's throwing out random, "VINTAGE!", yay. And indeed, it is Vintage Tommy Dreamer to lose clean to f***ing Daivari. - Yeah, go ahead and chase Daivari, that's totally not going to lead to Khali killing you. - If you removed all of the random segments, promos, and post-match stuff this show would be like an hour long. - Convenient that Holly just so happened to have his gear on already. - Hardcore Holly is not a suitable replacement, Paul! Mike Knox & Kelly Kelly vs. Kevin Thorn & Ariel- Knox doesn't even have a minitron. - Jesus, does any match not have a promo before it? - What on Earth is Ariel wearing? - Bite Club Count - 2. - Bite Club Count - 4. - On one hand, the only face in the match isn't starting it out. On the other hand, the only face in the match is Kelly Kelly. - I'm genuinely, no exaggeration falling asleep watching this. - And now they're randomly talking about Tommy Dreamer. - I still don't see how Knox was the one in the wrong in the Kelly Kelly storyline. - What is with the way Sandman's standing there? It looks really uncomfortable. - Give Sandman this, he seems to legitimately beat the shit out of Thorn here. - I've gotta say, I can't help but love anyone douchey enough to get a tattoo of their own face. Extreme Elimination Chamber- Whoever this interviewer woman is she is awful. And it's probably about to get worse for the fact that a Lashley promo's coming. - And they're recapping a Lashley promo before showing another, along with showing it taking five people to put him down. - Lashley has really pretty eyelashes. - Really, two recap videos in a row for the main event? - Heyman looks pretty legitimately pissed off and depressed here. - Nope, ECW's long dead by this point, Paul. - God, Big Show looks rough at this point. He looks like he's on the verge of a heart attack. - No, Joey, no champion has ever defended against five people at the same time. Certainly not in other Elimination Chambers. - Can we just spend the rest of the show listening to This Fire Burns instead? I've seen this match before, I know what I'm in for. - Yeah, Test here looks about like someone who died within a couple of years. - Heyman looks so pained by having to smile at the sight of Hardcore Holly. - Holly throwing RVD around for five minutes. EXTREME. - The stuff with RVD bouncing around everywhere's neat until you realize he jumped so far off the cell that had Holly not moved he probably would have severely injured him. - Then there's Holly's Flying Nothing into RVD's foot. - How would that Rolling Thunder hurt RVD any more than usual? - Think about how much better this match could've been if they went with Heyman's idea of Punk making Big Show tap out at the very start of the match. - The huge pop when his pod opens backs that up. - Figures RVD is the one person who knows the perfect way to counter the Van Daminator. - Test is rubbing a crowbar against RVD's face. EXTREME. - Give them credit, you can see that RVD, Punk, and Holly are genuinely trying to make this match work. It's just they're the only ones and they're the first three gone. - Speaking of, there goes Punk. Makes total sense getting rid of the most over person in the match as he's still being built, but I guess he wound up the most successful of the guys in this match anyway so whatever. - Hardcore Holly, the one man in the Elimination Chamber ever eliminated with a two count. That is incidentally the most memorable part of the match for me. - That's the worst elbow drop of all time. And what sense does it make for Test to for no reason jump off the top of the chamber, therefore leaving himself easy pickings for Lashley? - And now with RVD gone the crowd's completely turned on the match. - Why not just immediately send in Lashley now that Test is the only man left standing? Do they really have to wait for the five minutes to pass? - What do the Bashams expect to accomplish by locking Lashley in his pod? The match can't end until he gets out of it and since Test turned on Holly he's clearly not interested in helping Big Show. - Yeah, that's how you build Lashley as a bigger hero than Punk or RVD, have them in there for awhile in the thick of it then have him come in once all of the damage is done, blow through Test in the span of two and a half minutes, and then effortlessly smash Big Show within three minutes. Relatable! - Obviously the TNA chants are in support of the future TNA Champion Lashley. - Styles and Tazz sound so damn happy that this match is over. So am I. - People paid $40 to see this two hour and fifteen minute show with two matches announced in advance with one of them changed during the show, everyone! Well, I totally recommend checking out Breaking Bad, which I finished up watching before seeing this. That's my recommendation - watch Breaking Bad, if you really want to see Hardys / MNM check out one of their other matches so that you don't have to see this show, and otherwise, it's f***ing December to Dismember. Next up, let's see here... In Your House: Ground Zero. So at least coming off of this I get a Taker / Michaels match, that'll be fun.
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