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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 22, 2014 11:56:40 GMT -5
I love how the people who claim to be "defending" obese people by saying there's nothing wrong with it completely ignore the struggles people had to go through to have obesity recognized as a disorder and obtain treatments for it and having it covered by social security and insurance companies.
Look, good for you if you're fat and you have no problem with it but don't act like it's not a problem and don't pretend you're the better person for disregarding people who DO want to recover from what is indeed a disease. Do you also think it'd be a good idea to tell kids it's OK to be anorexic?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 22, 2014 12:31:33 GMT -5
I love how the people who claim to be "defending" obese people by saying there's nothing wrong with it completely ignore the struggles people had to go through to have obesity recognized as a disorder and obtain treatments for it and having it covered by social security and insurance companies. Look, good for you if you're fat and you have no problem with it but don't act like it's not a problem and don't pretend you're the better person for disregarding people who DO want to recover from what is indeed a disease. Do you also think it'd be a good idea to tell kids it's OK to be anorexic? Some people, perfectly healthy ones, are just big. The issue with a lot of people is gaining more acceptance for various body types, not to excuse poor eating habits.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 22, 2014 12:34:43 GMT -5
Seems like the issue is that the writing and the animation didn't add up. Or it could've been saved by maybe a throwaway line by Velma by saying that's not a size 8 or something like that.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 22, 2014 13:21:10 GMT -5
I love how the people who claim to be "defending" obese people by saying there's nothing wrong with it completely ignore the struggles people had to go through to have obesity recognized as a disorder and obtain treatments for it and having it covered by social security and insurance companies. Look, good for you if you're fat and you have no problem with it but don't act like it's not a problem and don't pretend you're the better person for disregarding people who DO want to recover from what is indeed a disease. Do you also think it'd be a good idea to tell kids it's OK to be anorexic? Some people, perfectly healthy ones, are just big. The issue with a lot of people is gaining more acceptance for various body types, not to excuse poor eating habits. First, there's a world of differences between "big" and "obese". Second, accusations of "fat-shaming" always come up when obesity is depicted as what it is: a disorder. What WOULD be fat-shaming would be if Daphne put on some weight and the rest of the group gave her shit for it. Instead, not only is her body suddenly dramatically changed, but it is changed in a way that causes her distress. If these people cared about tolerance as much as they claim, they'd sympathize with a character's wish to have a body that fits their ideal self-image, but instead they go "if you suddenly go fat you must accept it or you're a horrible person! F*** what YOU think YOUR body should be like, you should act the way *I* want because you have no right to claim ownership of your own body". Of course people should be allowed to have the body they want, THAT'S WHY IT'S A BAD THING FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE THIN TO SUDDENLY QUADRUPLE IN SIZE. These people don't give a flying f*** about tolerance. If anything, they fight with all their might by attempting to force everyone else to think and act the same way as they do, fighting any opinion that isn't theirs. Make no mistake, what these people really care about is getting meaningless accolades by trying to pass off their selfish behaviour as activism and treating anyone who doesn't admire them like they're the scum of the Earth. Oh and forcing a lifestyle on people who do not want to adhere to it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 22, 2014 13:59:46 GMT -5
Some people, perfectly healthy ones, are just big. The issue with a lot of people is gaining more acceptance for various body types, not to excuse poor eating habits. First, there's a world of differences between "big" and "obese". Second, accusations of "fat-shaming" always come up when obesity is depicted as what it is: a disorder. What WOULD be fat-shaming would be if Daphne put on some weight and the rest of the group gave her shit for it. Instead, not only is her body suddenly dramatically changed, but it is changed in a way that causes her distress. If these people cared about tolerance as much as they claim, they'd sympathize with a character's wish to have a body that fits their ideal self-image, but instead they go "if you suddenly go fat you must accept it or you're a horrible person! F*** what YOU think YOUR body should be like, you should act the way *I* want because you have no right to claim ownership of your own body". Of course people should be allowed to have the body they want, THAT'S WHY IT'S A BAD THING FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE THIN TO SUDDENLY QUADRUPLE IN SIZE. These people don't give a flying f*** about tolerance. If anything, they fight with all their might by attempting to force everyone else to think and act the same way as they do, fighting any opinion that isn't theirs. Make no mistake, what these people really care about is getting meaningless accolades by trying to pass off their selfish behaviour as activism and treating anyone who doesn't admire them like they're the scum of the Earth. Oh and forcing a lifestyle on people who do not want to adhere to it. .. we were talking about Scooby Doo, right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:02:44 GMT -5
....this animated world is one where a giant dog talks and does drugs with his best friend.
Pretty sure applying our real world sensibilities to it is not something that should ever be done. Ever.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 22, 2014 14:14:23 GMT -5
First, there's a world of differences between "big" and "obese". Second, accusations of "fat-shaming" always come up when obesity is depicted as what it is: a disorder. What WOULD be fat-shaming would be if Daphne put on some weight and the rest of the group gave her shit for it. Instead, not only is her body suddenly dramatically changed, but it is changed in a way that causes her distress. If these people cared about tolerance as much as they claim, they'd sympathize with a character's wish to have a body that fits their ideal self-image, but instead they go "if you suddenly go fat you must accept it or you're a horrible person! F*** what YOU think YOUR body should be like, you should act the way *I* want because you have no right to claim ownership of your own body". Of course people should be allowed to have the body they want, THAT'S WHY IT'S A BAD THING FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE THIN TO SUDDENLY QUADRUPLE IN SIZE. These people don't give a flying f*** about tolerance. If anything, they fight with all their might by attempting to force everyone else to think and act the same way as they do, fighting any opinion that isn't theirs. Make no mistake, what these people really care about is getting meaningless accolades by trying to pass off their selfish behaviour as activism and treating anyone who doesn't admire them like they're the scum of the Earth. Oh and forcing a lifestyle on people who do not want to adhere to it. .. we were talking about Scooby Doo, right? Well, sort of, I was talking about the implications behind this kind of supposed "social activism" in general, really. I may have gone a bit carried away there but my point is: showing a character being unhappy about a sudden bodily change isn't shaming anyone, and telling people that they are wrong and evil for wanting to change their appearance and should accept it even if they dislike it carries some uncomfortable connotations.
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