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Post by Adam Black on Aug 22, 2014 9:35:57 GMT -5
The funny thing is, because guys like Ryder never get close enough to hitting their finisher for anyone to kick out of it, I could imply that their finishers are more powerful than say, Cena's Attitude Adjustment. That's always been my point on the Cobra. If Santino landed it, you died. Probably the least kicked out of finisher in the last decade. I think Daniel Bryan is the only person to do so
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Post by Bad Moon on Aug 22, 2014 9:45:22 GMT -5
Neither Undertaker's chokeslam nor Edge's impaler DDT (when did they ever call it the Edgecution? The only time I ever heard that name was in Smackdown vs Raw) were ever really finishers though.
The tombstone of all things has gotten really degraded though.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 22, 2014 9:49:50 GMT -5
I think people should win more on non-finishing maneuvers. It would be crazy for a while, but it's make things more dramatic when everybody got used to it.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 22, 2014 9:50:46 GMT -5
I still hate Warrior took like 5 of Savage's elbows. It was Randy's idea, but still hate it. 2? Ok, sure. But 5? The weird thing is that to this day I always want to think he hit 7, to correspond to it being Wrestlemania VII. Yeah, it was pretty silly to hit so many of them. It would have at least been more memorable had Warrior been forced to his the splash at least twice.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 22, 2014 9:52:15 GMT -5
Neither Undertaker's chokeslam nor Edge's impaler DDT (when did they ever call it the Edgecution? The only time I ever heard that name was in Smackdown vs Raw) were ever really finishers though. The tombstone of all things has gotten really degraded though. What about his reverse sharpshooter the Edgecator. I swear to goodness he had a move called the Edgecator and that it was his crazy quasi-sharpshooter.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 22, 2014 10:07:19 GMT -5
Neither Undertaker's chokeslam nor Edge's impaler DDT (when did they ever call it the Edgecution? The only time I ever heard that name was in Smackdown vs Raw) were ever really finishers though. The tombstone of all things has gotten really degraded though. It was called the Impaler originally (actually so was Christian's finisher until he renamed it hte Unprettier...) and changed to the Edgecution. The Edgecution was his finisher when the spear was just a signature. For the Undertaker - The Last Ride. and The Rock Bottom degraded when the Rock started using the People's Elbow. Neither Undertaker's chokeslam nor Edge's impaler DDT (when did they ever call it the Edgecution? The only time I ever heard that name was in Smackdown vs Raw) were ever really finishers though. The tombstone of all things has gotten really degraded though. What about his reverse sharpshooter the Edgecator. I swear to goodness he had a move called the Edgecator and that it was his crazy quasi-sharpshooter. From what I remember it was a modified Figure Four. The Edge-u-cator He apparently had a bet with Stevie Richards who could stick their name in the most signature moves... he conceded defeat when Stevie debuted the Stevie-T
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Post by Bad Moon on Aug 22, 2014 10:07:58 GMT -5
Neither Undertaker's chokeslam nor Edge's impaler DDT (when did they ever call it the Edgecution? The only time I ever heard that name was in Smackdown vs Raw) were ever really finishers though. The tombstone of all things has gotten really degraded though. What about his reverse sharpshooter the Edgecator. I swear to goodness he had a move called the Edgecator and that it was his crazy quasi-sharpshooter. Oh God, I forgot about that. Remember when Eddie started using the Texas cloverleaf and called it the Lasso from El Paso?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 10:10:17 GMT -5
That's always been my point on the Cobra. If Santino landed it, you died. Probably the least kicked out of finisher in the last decade. I think Daniel Bryan is the only person to do so But at what cost? Now look at the guy.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Aug 22, 2014 12:08:16 GMT -5
lolCenaWinslol Jorts Cena has basically killed the entire roster's finishers, save Brock Lesnar's. ...Because John Cena was around in the Attitude Era when most finishers became ineffective, right? Also "Jorts Cena"? Really? That's the dumbest fan name I've ever heard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:30:21 GMT -5
I think Daniel Bryan is the only person to do so But at what cost? Now look at the guy. It's like the dim mak death touch. You get hit with it and everything seems fine at first, then you collapse much later.
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Post by lookout on Aug 22, 2014 14:51:00 GMT -5
I still loathe the fact that the DDT became as commonplace as a vertical suplex. I'd love for WWE to ban the move as a regular maneuver and have someone build it back up as a legitimate finish. Ambrose would be perfect for it. Same basic impact as Dirty Deeds, but not as stupid looking. I agree completely. I mean the ddt used to be the most devastating move in all of wrestling when roberts was a big player...but now, it's so common that there aren't many matches that don't have a ddt in them. It's hard to think of another move that lost as much impact as it did while ruining it's reputation since about 95% of the wrestlers will use it in a match. And I hate the fact that randy orton uses the middle rope ddt and everyone always kicks out of it. To make it look even more absurd is him using it on the outside on the concrete floor yet his opponents will recover just as quickly as if he just gave someone a body slam. Man if you did something like that back before the early 90s, in kayfabe world that would have put a wrestler out of action for weeks or months. I wish they would not allow randy to use it either except in really rare cases and when he does it's an automatic win. Considering how long he's used it I doubt this is possible but in fact when he does use it, it should put someone on the shelf for a little while...especially if he hits it on the floor. To have it being as ineffective at winning a match as a body slam is absolutely irritating.
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Aug 22, 2014 15:53:50 GMT -5
Superkick and powerbomb.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Aug 22, 2014 20:35:15 GMT -5
lolCenaWinslol Jorts Cena has basically killed the entire roster's finishers, save Brock Lesnar's. I remember during Cenas mini-feud with Ziggler in 2012 where Cena kicked out of BOTH a Big Ending from Big E., and a Zig-Zag from Dolph. Hell, I think he kicked out of a Superkick too. It seems like nowadays that everyone, not just main eventers, are kicking out of finishers. Fandango got his foot on the rope after a Rough Ryder, Paige has kicked out of Naomi's finisher, and ADAM ROSE kicked out of Sandows finisher at MITB. Weird and sad trend.
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 22, 2014 20:36:35 GMT -5
Raven/Dreamer killed the DDT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 21:21:54 GMT -5
Pretty much all of them.
I still like to think of wrestling in "real life - amplified" in terms of matches and physicality.
DDT should be a one-hitter-quitter, now it's a sloppy 2 count.
Same thing with German suplexes or piledrivers.
To be fair, everyone kicks out of everything at Wrestlemania, so Undertakers' doesn't count.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 22, 2014 22:09:09 GMT -5
I totally agree that most guys should have more than one finisher; they should have multiple moves they're capable of winning with, in addition to a "in case of emergency, break glass" finisher, i.e. the way Kenta Kobashi historically used the Burning Hammer. It's just better psychology, and makes certain moves so much more impact-ful when they finally do use them. I still hate Warrior took like 5 of Savage's elbows. It was Randy's idea, but still hate it. 2? Ok, sure. But 5? I have to admit, when I look back on that I like it. When I think of it like a story out of a comic book or something, it's Randy Savage realizing that, by embracing the "Kingdom of the Madness" by becoming the Macho King and abandoning Elizabeth, his "powers" were failing, and now even five elbows could not put the Warrior away. Then, insult to injury, Warrior puts him away with a shoulder tackle and a foot on the chest pin; if a guy's about to lose a career-ending match, but totally win the post-match with the angle that follows, that's just the way to do it, for me. That said, when it hits FIVE, it does get jarring, no matter how you cut it.
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