Boo!
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Post by Boo! on Aug 31, 2014 5:13:23 GMT -5
Schiavone used to deliberately keep information from Heenan so the Brain would likely have no idea what was happening and his reaction was typical anti-Hogan as he's always been.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 31, 2014 7:46:20 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: it was a great line and was perfect for the character.
Gorilla: That was Bischoff's doing, which was something Eric picked up from Verne Gagne. He wanted the announver's reactions to the finishes to be as natural as possible.
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khali
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Post by khali on Aug 31, 2014 17:46:18 GMT -5
This is very overblown. I watched it live, and the line spoiled nothing. It was still a huge shock. Here's a thought: maybe WCW shouldn't have tried to work their announcers by keeping them in the dark. That's just a stupid idea.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 1, 2014 0:07:39 GMT -5
The thing of it all is, even with a very large body of the audience not fully processing what was happening at first, there wasn't much mystery or doubt the second Hogan stepped out. They advertised a third man. The viewers were expecting a third man. We were all watching that entrance, live or - as much as we could - on PPV. It was a time before Russo and superswervorama. Whoever walked out, we knew - subconsciously or not - we knew that was the third man.
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Post by quackyquack1 on Sept 1, 2014 15:19:34 GMT -5
Heenan wasn't told that Hogan was the 3rd man. The only ones who knew where Hogan, Bischoff, and everyone involved in the match.
But even w/o Heenan saying anything in retrospect Hogan turning wasn't really that surprising, there was talk in the dirtsheets that Hogan had a good probability of being the 3rd man especially after getting booed out of the building against Sting in '95.
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Sam Punk
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Post by Sam Punk on Sept 6, 2014 10:41:45 GMT -5
I think this line and Goldberg beating Hogan on Nitro are two of the most overblown ideas people have about WCW. It happened so fast that I doubt most people had time to process what he said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 11:17:18 GMT -5
I was a Dubya-See-Dubya kid through and through.
I was such a WCW kid that I had no idea The Outsiders were supposed to be a vague implication that WWF was invading. I only had the faintest idea of whatever the hell WWF was doing.
Remembering my thoughts when I was watching this live? I expected the third man to be Luger or even Sting, considering the Luger was supposedly knocked out less than 3 minutes into the match by a Stinger Splash.
Even when Hogan came from backstage, it wasn't until Hogan dropped the leg on Macho Man that I understood Hogan could turn heel. I kept expecting Luger to run in to take down Hogan or something.
People talk about Heenan's line as if this was some huge faux-pas that was a possible spoiler? Nah, dude. Y'all are thinking way too much into it. Watching that shit live, Hogan turning heel was so far outside anyone's radar nobody paid attention to Heenan's skepticism. Even I knew Heenan had always been the one to talk shit about Hulk Hogan (and was mostly wrong) and I was about 13 years old and had only been vaguely familiar with Heenan's work.
Man, just look at the crowd reaction Hogan turning heel produced, do you think the people in that crowd really could fathom Hogan could turn heel even if they were able to hear Heenan's line? That's the last heel turn I remember that produced the elusive NUCLEAR HEATZ. The crowd went ballistic. Trash everywhere in the ring, you had a hard time hearing Hogan over the boos. A GUY FROM THE CROWD RUSHED INTO THE RING. When's the last time a heel turn got so much heat a dude seriously rushed the ring over it? That's not the reaction I'd expect from a crowd that wasn't blindsided completely.
Now I still find it funny how Macho Man was above suspicion.
...and from everything I've seen, including what Easy E says in Controversy Creates Cash, none of the commentators knew Hogan was turning heel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 11:25:31 GMT -5
...and from everything I've seen, including what Easy E says in Controversy Creates Cash, none of the commentators knew Hogan was turning heel. Schiavone recently confirmed this as well. He said that the commentary was completely ad libbed when Hogan came out.
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DjZonk
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 6, 2014 12:50:43 GMT -5
There's a lot of debate over the legitamency of that crowd run in to be fair. Tough call. Nash did seem to put in a stuff kick: but considering the importance of the angle, I wouldn't be surprised to know they paid some bum in a bar some dosh to take a blow.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 6, 2014 13:25:42 GMT -5
The n w o was pulled off so well from the very beginning to around the time the they started adding lower card guys to the group.
Nash, Hall, Bischoff and a few others had a great hand in a major angle. Lesser promoters, commentators or wrestlers would never be able to pull it off.
There's no possible way any commentator, whether they had inside information or not, could ruin the beginnings of the angle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 8:23:46 GMT -5
The thing of it all is, even with a very large body of the audience not fully processing what was happening at first, there wasn't much mystery or doubt the second Hogan stepped out. They advertised a third man. The viewers were expecting a third man. We were all watching that entrance, live or - as much as we could - on PPV. It was a time before Russo and superswervorama. Whoever walked out, we knew - subconsciously or not - we knew that was the third man. Yep. I was in high school at the time, so maybe I had watched too much wrestling at the time, but I knew the moment Hogan came out that he was the 3rd man. I mean, I still had that moment of doubt since Hulk as a heel was unheard of to anyone who grew up with him in the 80's WWF (as I did) but Hogan had nothing to do with the match beforehand so him showing up was random as hell. It was one of those "wait, Hulk is the 3rd man?" moments where you see it coming but in a way still don't believe it will happen. Just a weird feeling in general. That's what made the turn so epic. I honestly didn't even remember Heenan's call, but in hindsight, I can see why people didn't like it. A plot twist should not be brought it at all, even if it fit Heenan's character.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Sept 8, 2014 9:40:00 GMT -5
I was watching a Nitro from 1995 on the WWE Network (9.99) and Luger ran out to save Savage from the Dungeon of Doom. Anyone wanna take a guess what Heenan said? "But who's side is he on?!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 9:44:03 GMT -5
I was watching a Nitro from 1995 on the WWE Network (9.99) and Luger ran out to save Savage from the Dungeon of Doom. Anyone wanna take a guess what Heenan said? "But who's side is he on?!" That was a good '95 storyline as I remember. Luger was always best when played as a moral free agent rather than Captain America in speedos or an over the top evil narcissist. I always got the sense that he could go either way, and it was interesting seeing Hogan and Savage having trouble trusting him while Sting kept assuring them that everything was ok.
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