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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 31, 2014 5:29:31 GMT -5
AJ is likely going to be the most notable of the three, for how consistently important she's been since fairly early into her main roster career. Main event storylines, attachment to a lot of major male stars, and a really long reign. If she gets out quickly, then in retrospect people will look at what she did in her few years and it will look very impressive.
Paige I see being more of a Beth Phoenix, if she can stick in there for a long time and no change occurs in how the divas division is treated. She has her ups and downs in importance, but every so often comes back as a dominant heel diva, has a reign, squashes opponents for a few months, and then passes it off to some new babyface diva. Nothing legendary, but a very solid career with a lot of moments spread out across a long period of time.
Charlotte gets the typical apathy of an underwhelming second generation wrestler pushed beyond their limits paired with the usual apathy of the fans toward the divas division, which means she gets a big push and a title reign, it goes nowhere and generates no heat or traction, and from then on she's just brought out for twelve diva tag match clusterf***s and slumber party pillow fights.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 31, 2014 9:20:36 GMT -5
We're talking about overall success, not future success, right? In that case, AJ *easily.* She had the entire show written around her for almost a full year, THEN she had a divas title reign that lasted another year. No diva will ever come close to that again. AJ was in some big storylines but the entire show written around her for a year? Not even close. I wouldn't say they entire show was written around her. Just the beginning, the end, many of the recaps, a number of backstage segments...
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 31, 2014 10:15:57 GMT -5
AJ is likely going to be the most notable of the three, for how consistently important she's been since fairly early into her main roster career. Main event storylines, attachment to a lot of major male stars, and a really long reign. If she gets out quickly, then in retrospect people will look at what she did in her few years and it will look very impressive. Paige I see being more of a Beth Phoenix, if she can stick in there for a long time and no change occurs in how the divas division is treated. She has her ups and downs in importance, but every so often comes back as a dominant heel diva, has a reign, squashes opponents for a few months, and then passes it off to some new babyface diva. Nothing legendary, but a very solid career with a lot of moments spread out across a long period of time. Charlotte gets the typical apathy of an underwhelming second generation wrestler pushed beyond their limits paired with the usual apathy of the fans toward the divas division, which means she gets a big push and a title reign, it goes nowhere and generates no heat or traction, and from then on she's just brought out for twelve diva tag match clusterf***s and slumber party pillow fights. Pretty much this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 10:20:23 GMT -5
Well if people are allowed to say that Reigns is an above average wrestler, I'm allowed to vote for Paige just because I feel like it.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Aug 31, 2014 10:24:39 GMT -5
Charlotte doesn't get enough praise for being as good as she is. She carries herself fantastically and she will have a great future.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 31, 2014 11:43:13 GMT -5
Wait.... the majority of people think Charlotte doesn't look good? I think she looks good.... although I see Ric when I look at her and that's a bit scary (kind of like Natalya and the Anvil, LOL).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 13:01:00 GMT -5
Charlotte doesn't get enough praise for being as good as she is. She carries herself fantastically and she will have a great future. I'd say Charlotte gets the right amount of praise. She's still green and has issues to iron out, but she doesn't have any glaring problems when it comes to matches. She can also be carried to better matches and sometimes that matters a lot more. I think the problem is a lot of people can also see because of who she is, she's going to be called up way too soon particularly over Sasha or Bailey. If that shit doesn't outright ruin her career she's going to waste time having to recover because WWE tends to blow all of the loads whenever anyone makes their nipples rock hard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 13:14:33 GMT -5
I maintain that if you met any of these 'ugly' Divas like Summer or Charlotte in real life, you'd be like 'dayum.' Sure they probably won't be landing any modelling contracts, but then Paige and AJ aren't exactly mainstream hot either, doesn't mean they're not beautiful women. The fact that people still act almost personally offended when a Diva isn't to their taste looks-wise and can't stop pointing it out shows how far we still have left to go in terms of them being considered purely in wrestling terms. Anyhoo, I doubt either Paige or Charlotte will achieve the prominence AJ did in 2012, and that's probably for the best seeing as that was total overkill, but I can see them both being a staple of the Divas division for years to come. Paige has the talent, the distinctive look and youth on her side. Charlotte has the family connections that should nullify any of her negatives holding her back, again she doesn't look like the other girls which is always a good thing, plus her rate of improvement in the ring suggests she could be at the top of the Divas division on merit in a couple of years' time anyway. Not to be "that guy" who disagrees but I - and it may be the metal head/alternative guy in me that's tainting my opinion - happen to think Paige and Becky Lynch from NXT are disgracefully beautiful women who could translate to mainstream with said looks. They look like models/movie stars to me.
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Post by sunnytaker on Aug 31, 2014 13:44:39 GMT -5
i'd have to go with Paige, she's got youth on her side so she'll have a longer run than either of the other two barring injury which means she'll have time to accomplish more than either of the others. unless of course Charlotte follows in her father's footsteps and keeps wrestling til her 60s
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Post by gr1990 on Aug 31, 2014 13:56:37 GMT -5
I maintain that if you met any of these 'ugly' Divas like Summer or Charlotte in real life, you'd be like 'dayum.' Sure they probably won't be landing any modelling contracts, but then Paige and AJ aren't exactly mainstream hot either, doesn't mean they're not beautiful women. The fact that people still act almost personally offended when a Diva isn't to their taste looks-wise and can't stop pointing it out shows how far we still have left to go in terms of them being considered purely in wrestling terms. Anyhoo, I doubt either Paige or Charlotte will achieve the prominence AJ did in 2012, and that's probably for the best seeing as that was total overkill, but I can see them both being a staple of the Divas division for years to come. Paige has the talent, the distinctive look and youth on her side. Charlotte has the family connections that should nullify any of her negatives holding her back, again she doesn't look like the other girls which is always a good thing, plus her rate of improvement in the ring suggests she could be at the top of the Divas division on merit in a couple of years' time anyway. Not to be "that guy" who disagrees but I - and it may be the metal head/alternative guy in me that's tainting my opinion - happen to think Paige and Becky Lynch from NXT are disgracefully beautiful women who could translate to mainstream with said looks. They look like models/movie stars to me. Well, yeah, I agree, they are what most people would consider hot, and it's not as if every model or movie star is a busty blonde. I suppose I more meant that they don't fit into the 'permanently-airbrushed-looking-fitness-model-preferably-with-huge-fake-tits' Diva archetype, but thankfully those very narrow parameters WWE once had of what constitutes an attractive woman have gradually faded away in the last decade or so. Hopefully the fact that their most popular performers (both male and female) of recent times have largely gone against their traditional visions of a 'star' has taught them that people aren't as narrow-minded as they thought, and enjoy a bit of variety.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 13:58:52 GMT -5
Not to be "that guy" who disagrees but I - and it may be the metal head/alternative guy in me that's tainting my opinion - happen to think Paige and Becky Lynch from NXT are disgracefully beautiful women who could translate to mainstream with said looks. They look like models/movie stars to me. Well, yeah, I agree, they are what most people would consider hot, and it's not as if every model or movie star is a busty blonde. I suppose I more meant that they don't fit into the 'permanently-airbrushed-looking-fitness-model-preferably-with-huge-fake-tits' Diva archetype, but thankfully those very narrow parameters WWE once had of what constitutes an attractive woman have gradually faded away in the last decade or so. Hopefully the fact that their most popular performers (both male and female) of recent times have largely gone against their traditional visions of a 'star' has taught them that people aren't as narrow-minded as they thought, and enjoy a bit of variety. True. I just think that Paige and Becky Lynch as I gave examples of, are two women that could be dropped into guest star roles on TV shows and be just as sparkling as the women society tells us are sex objects and gorgeous. They push the Total Divas group as those women but I feel Paige and Becky are the two that have the looks to do it. That is purely a shallow, physical thing though. Do they have a personality to do it, etc. is the big question.
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Post by gr1990 on Aug 31, 2014 14:09:39 GMT -5
Well, yeah, I agree, they are what most people would consider hot, and it's not as if every model or movie star is a busty blonde. I suppose I more meant that they don't fit into the 'permanently-airbrushed-looking-fitness-model-preferably-with-huge-fake-tits' Diva archetype, but thankfully those very narrow parameters WWE once had of what constitutes an attractive woman have gradually faded away in the last decade or so. Hopefully the fact that their most popular performers (both male and female) of recent times have largely gone against their traditional visions of a 'star' has taught them that people aren't as narrow-minded as they thought, and enjoy a bit of variety. True. I just think that Paige and Becky Lynch as I gave examples of, are two women that could be dropped into guest star roles on TV shows and be just as sparkling as the women society tells us are sex objects and gorgeous. They push the Total Divas group as those women but I feel Paige and Becky are the two that have the looks to do it. That is purely a shallow, physical thing though. Do they have a personality to do it, etc. is the big question. Well, the strength of having a wide range of looks in your roster is that you've got different people for different markets. Paige or Becky could rock up in something like The Walking Dead and look at home (that's not a jibe at Paige's skin tone btw ), but their image, lifestyle and dress sense may be a little too alternative for the E! network crowd, whereas people like the Bellas, Eva and Rosa cater perfectly to that audience. It's just like how some people will see John Cena or Randy Orton as the epitome of what a strong, handsome man should look like and find the likes of Ambrose and Daniel Bryan greasy and weird, whereas others will find Cena too clean-cut and jockish and gravitate more towards the less conventional-looking guys. The 'something for everyone' factor is one of the best things about today's WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 15:03:05 GMT -5
Meanwhile dudes like myself and Bray Wyatt are just "weirdo looking muppets" to everyone....... except Bray's wife, who is actually stunning. Dude must be swinging a pipe like Mankind in a Boiler Room Brawl or something.
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Post by walterharrow on Aug 31, 2014 16:18:02 GMT -5
I honestly dont see any other female wrestler (including Paige and Charlotte) reaching anywhere near the level of success AJ has. I know some people dont like her but AJ has been the biggest women's wrestler on the planet since the likes of Trish and Lita (in my opinion). She was longest reinging champion, involved in main event storylines and even sells more merchandise than probably more than half of the male roster
Paige, Charlotte and others may be around longer than AJ (although i actually personally beleive AJ will remain in WWE for a long time) but they wont be as successful as she has been
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 16:22:55 GMT -5
Charlotte doesn't get enough praise for being as good as she is. She carries herself fantastically and she will have a great future. Charlotte still seems green to me but seems like one of those types that will be pretty good sooner rather than later. Not unlike Rusev who was really bad when he first appeared but improved rapidly.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Aug 31, 2014 16:24:12 GMT -5
I honestly dont see any other female wrestler (including Paige and Charlotte) reaching anywhere near the level of success AJ has. I know some people dont like her but AJ has been the biggest women's wrestler on the planet since the likes of Trish and Lita (in my opinion). She was longest reinging champion, i nvolved in main event storylines and even sells more merchandise than probably more than half of the male roster Paige, Charlotte and others may be around longer than AJ (although i actually personally beleive AJ will remain in WWE for a long time) but they wont be as successful as she has been That was when the division was really going through the shitter and was heavily panned and there was nobody credible to defend it against, it was secondary to Total Divas launching. She had help from being paired with all the top draws so she didn't become successful by herself, and Paige's Think Again shirt has been selling just as good as AJ's latest shirt (the green one) according to WWEShop. AJ in my opinion cannot tell a story by herself, she's had help doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 16:28:02 GMT -5
I think this Paige thing has shown that AJ cannot raise a story by herself. She struggles if she does not have someone to play/bounce off. She is good at some things but she is not someone that can carry something herself.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 31, 2014 19:06:21 GMT -5
I think this Paige thing has shown that AJ cannot raise a story by herself. She struggles if she does not have someone to play/bounce off. She is good at some things but she is not someone that can carry something herself. Wouldn't that also imply, though, that Paige isn't good enough to keep a story going with AJ?
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 31, 2014 19:38:12 GMT -5
I think this Paige thing has shown that AJ cannot raise a story by herself. She struggles if she does not have someone to play/bounce off. She is good at some things but she is not someone that can carry something herself. Wouldn't that also imply, though, that Paige isn't good enough to keep a story going with AJ? There's also the fact that the story they're in isn't that good.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Aug 31, 2014 20:10:53 GMT -5
AJ's success is already set. Paige might have had a chance but let's be honest here, the divas' division has been circling the drain for a long while now. It doesn't matter how big of a fish you get if the pond you're in gets smaller and more stagnate.
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