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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 17, 2014 20:26:13 GMT -5
Gorilla Monsoon Fabulous Moolah Pedro Morales Rock & Roll Express It would really be a shame to see any of these people removed from the ballot. Moolah has a tough climb. The funny Attitude-era octogenarian isn't who they're voting for; they'd be voting for the younger Moolah - the one who could barely wrestle but held on to the title for so many years simply because she owned it and monopolized the womens wrestling niche of performers. The Moolah that scammed, lied and cheated behind the scenes, screwed over the other women, stole their money; the Moolah who was pimping out her trainees as prostitutes to promoters and anyone with money. The thing is, with the WON HOF, it isn't the fans voting, per se. While there are fans, a lot of the people voting are in the business, or historians or "old-school" guys. Monsoon isn't their guy. Gorilla was Mantaur-level as a worker (skill-wise) and while we reminisce fondly of his commentating days as fans now, he was memorable but horrible.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 17, 2014 20:30:40 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the WON HOF has only been going since '96, and is trying to encapsulate right at one hundred years of history and workers, with a voting system that builds bias toward and forever favors voters' "hometown" guys, even as the same system punishes and minimalizes the workers that were known for one particular "hometown" promotion. Do you get a ballot? Nah, not a subscriber nor have any real interest in it. Tell you what, though, of that list of people about to be dropped, the two that are the real shame are Volk Han and maaaaaybe Dick Murdoch. Han should be in, period. Murdoch *should* be in, but I can also see why people are leery of voting for him (being a legit member of the KKK probably isn't helping him)
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 20, 2014 19:44:16 GMT -5
Still hard to believe dave didn't put Jimmy Hart and Jerry Jarrett in the first class in 96
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 20, 2014 20:08:11 GMT -5
Before Clawmaster died this was his ballot
1 Ivan Koloff 2 Enrique Torres 3 Wilbur Snyder 4 Gene Anderson & Ole Anderson 5 Dick Murdoch 6 Jimmy Snuka 7 Pepper Gomez 8 Assassins Joe Hamilton & Tom Renesto 9 Kinji Shibuya 10 Edge
Non Wrestlers Bill Apter Howard Finkel Don Owen George Scott Jesse Ventura
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 20, 2014 20:22:24 GMT -5
Before Clawmaster died this was his ballot 1 Ivan Koloff 2 Enrique Torres 3 Wilbur Snyder 4 Gene Anderson & Ole Anderson 5 Dick Murdoch 6 Jimmy Snuka 7 Pepper Gomez 8 Assassins Joe Hamilton & Tom Renesto 9 Kinji Shibuya 10 Edge Non Wrestlers Bill Apter Howard Finkel Don Owen George Scott Jesse Ventura That's a shame about Clawmaster. He was a good guy and I'll always remember having some pretty good debates with him over the years.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 20, 2014 20:24:28 GMT -5
I didn't know he was that young
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 20:31:48 GMT -5
Man, Volk Han's going to get dropped from the ballot. He probably should, since he's not that important to wrestling overall, but it still bums me out. He's AMAZING. Watching him wrestle was like no one else.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 18, 2014 19:32:08 GMT -5
HOF issue is two to three weeks away. Think Brock is going in this year
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2014 21:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 6, 2014 22:36:29 GMT -5
never heard of volk han and rings, I was confused if he was a shoot fighter, but reading and article in F4wonline I saw that he wrestled worked fights with a shoot style.
Interesting read, that "shoot" era where some promotions tried to sell works as shootsm and the birn of real shoot promotiospns is very interesting
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 6, 2014 23:25:19 GMT -5
I'm actually fine with the RNR Express not being in. Quite possibly the most overrated tag team ever, regardless of whatever influence. To me, the RnRs basically reduced tag wrestling to one oh so tired formula match that exists to this day since no one knows how to move beyond the tired "babyface in peril for 10 minutes, makes a tag, ref didn't see it, makes it again, go to the finish" formula they beat into the ground.
I'm probably one of the few people who prefers 1980s WWF tag wrestling since it feels oddly more realistic to me. Guys are in trouble? They tag!
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 19, 2014 15:57:10 GMT -5
Rock and Roll Express got in this year
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 19, 2014 19:35:21 GMT -5
No one else made it
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Nov 19, 2014 20:10:39 GMT -5
Lesnar was 2nd among historians, 21st among active wrestlers.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Nov 19, 2014 23:48:03 GMT -5
The Andersons and Dick Murdoch are dropped. All the reason I need to not take the WON HOF seriously.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 20, 2014 10:45:14 GMT -5
The Andersons and Dick Murdoch are dropped. All the reason I need to not take the WON HOF seriously. I understand the reasoning why the Andersons didn't get in. It is because they were only a draw in one area. But it sucks Murdoch didn't get in. I wonder how much of that is people learning about a certain "group" he was a member of. His almost hour long match against Dr Death is still one of my favorite matches. I saw it when it aired on the UWF syndicated show. And I was amazed that the match was that long.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Nov 20, 2014 20:57:49 GMT -5
The Andersons and Dick Murdoch are dropped. All the reason I need to not take the WON HOF seriously. I understand the reasoning why the Andersons didn't get in. It is because they were only a draw in one area. But it sucks Murdoch didn't get in. I wonder how much of that is people learning about a certain "group" he was a member of. His almost hour long match against Dr Death is still one of my favorite matches. I saw it when it aired on the UWF syndicated show. And I was amazed that the match was that long. See, I don't buy that reasoning. Not for the Andersons or anyone else. As Ole always responds, "We didn't travel because we didn't need to." They were able to go between Georgia and Mid Atlantic and stay on top for an extended period of time. And it comes back to the old argument: how many guys who traveled or have came along in WWE could have stayed on top in the same area week after week? I'm thinking the biggest reason behind them not making it in is Ole being so disliked...and open about his disdain for the WON HOF in general and Meltzer in particular. For that matter, it really took them this long to put the Rock n Roll in? Ridiculous.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 20, 2014 21:04:33 GMT -5
I think the Andersons should have been inducted. If the Andersons have to be bumped from the ballot, I don't understand why Ole couldn't be added for his career as a wrestler and booker. He was with the Andersons and the Four Horsemen. For a time he even booked both Georgia Championship Wrestling and Mid-Atlantic at the same time. Of course I am sure some voters would probably say that his booking of WCW during the early 1990s goes against him.
I also don't understand how non-wrestlers Howard Finkel and Gene Okerlund aren't being inducted. If you are going to allow broadcasters/announcers to be inducted, how can you not induct these two? You could argue that Finkel is the most famous (and best) wrestling ring announcer of all time. He's was the ring announcer for so many of the Madison Square Garden events in the 1970s and 1980s before the big expansion and was the ring announcer during the big explosion on TV and PPV.
Likewise you could argue that Gene Okerlund was the most famous wrestling interviewer with a career spanning some of the glory years of AWA, the big boom of WWE, and the big boom of WCW. I think he was also very important to WWE for his interviews for localized promos to hype up the live events, back when these were a big part of WWE's business. Many wrestlers have credited Okerlund with helping them through interviews.
If these two can't go in, then you might as well remove the announcer/broadcaster category.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 20, 2014 21:35:34 GMT -5
Dave says he is thinking about putting Ole on the ballot by himself because he had more things going for him that the team with Gene
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 8:34:18 GMT -5
I can tell you Murdoch's Klan connections definitely hurt his chances to get in. Ty Cobb is in the Baseball Hall of Fame but you wouldn't know that since they basically act like he never existed. Post Benoit, the Observer voters are more choosy about who they vote in mainly because they don't want the negative stigma of having a less desirable in their Hall. But I take no stock in their Hall anyways because like any voting for hall of fames, it's a popularity contest.
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