Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 21, 2014 12:04:28 GMT -5
I'm actually fine with the RNR Express not being in. Quite possibly the most overrated tag team ever, regardless of whatever influence. To me, the RnRs basically reduced tag wrestling to one oh so tired formula match that exists to this day since no one knows how to move beyond the tired "babyface in peril for 10 minutes, makes a tag, ref didn't see it, makes it again, go to the finish" formula they beat into the ground. I'm probably one of the few people who prefers 1980s WWF tag wrestling since it feels oddly more realistic to me. Guys are in trouble? They tag! 90's AJPW tag formula is my personal preference. Guys tagging out when tired, cumulative exhaustion mattering to the overall narrative, guarding the ring to protect your partner's pin or submission, each individual's different style changing the pace of the matchup (instead of endless teamup boots in the corner and such). ...yeah, I can agree with you a lot on the RnR formula being a detriment to wrestling.
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Post by chuck the duke on Nov 21, 2014 12:43:07 GMT -5
I can tell you Murdoch's Klan connections definitely hurt his chances to get in. Ty Cobb is in the Baseball Hall of Fame but you wouldn't know that since they basically act like he never existed. This is so very untrue. He has his plaque and tons of material about him is featured in various exhibits. Also, Cobb didn't have any known Klan connections. He might've been racist, but Tris Speaker is the HOF player who was a Klan member. Cap Anson's much much much worse for that kind of thing and he's still in the Hall.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 12:59:53 GMT -5
I can tell you Murdoch's Klan connections definitely hurt his chances to get in. Ty Cobb is in the Baseball Hall of Fame but you wouldn't know that since they basically act like he never existed. This is so very untrue. He has his plaque and tons of material about him is featured in various exhibits. Also, Cobb didn't have any known Klan connections. He might've been racist, but Tris Speaker is the HOF player who was a Klan member. Cap Anson's much much much worse for that kind of thing and he's still in the Hall. When it comes to MLB celebrating their past in commercials, merchandise, and tv specials; Ty is not mentioned. They have not booted him out but they aren't praising him. I didn't say Cobb was a card carrying member of the Klan. Just pointing out how outside interests can affect how a Hall of Fame will handle your legacy.
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Post by chuck the duke on Nov 21, 2014 20:53:44 GMT -5
This is so very untrue. He has his plaque and tons of material about him is featured in various exhibits. Also, Cobb didn't have any known Klan connections. He might've been racist, but Tris Speaker is the HOF player who was a Klan member. Cap Anson's much much much worse for that kind of thing and he's still in the Hall. When it comes to MLB celebrating their past in commercials, merchandise, and tv specials; Ty is not mentioned. They have not booted him out but they aren't praising him. I didn't say Cobb was a card carrying member of the Klan. Just pointing out how outside interests can affect how a Hall of Fame will handle your legacy. This is wrong. Cobb is frequently mentioned in historical top 10 list shows on the MLB network, the HOF website has an article that does nothing but praise him, and again the inside of the hall is filled with gloves, cleats, bats and photos and other stuff related to him. When baseball video games have teams of Hall of Famers, he's (AFAIK) always in the game. Comerica Stadium in Detroit has a statue of him. Ken Burns' documentary on baseball focused most of one episode on Cobb. Sportswriters often hold up Cobb as an ideal of hard play. When baseball had fans vote for the all-century team, Cobb was voted onto the team by the fans. He got almost as many votes as Jackie Robinson and far more than Honus Wagner who was probably as good a player and much better as a human being. For a guy who played almost 90 years ago, he's doing okay. The idea that baseball "basically act(s) like he never existed" or that he's "not mentioned" when baseball talks about the early game isn't accurate at all.
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