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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:19:12 GMT -5
I just don't understand why she has to be a wrestler. At first, when The Funkadactyls were just a couple of hot cheerleaders for Brodus they were great. Maybe there is a spot for her as Fandango's new girl or something, or maybe even the valet of the Usos.
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Post by handsoftrash on Sept 15, 2014 10:30:39 GMT -5
Did she ever actually go to NXT? She is still on Raw every now and then and works the main roster house shows.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:38:39 GMT -5
Man, the reaction to her saying Melina vs Alicia Fox has always annoyed me. WWE says it has something for everyone right? If that's the match that she dug, what's the matter with that? A current performer being into current women's wrestlers is a GOOD thing. It means she appreciates what they're doing. But I guess in WWE the only acceptable women to like are Trish and Lita or...whatever. Not to mention Austin's "Who?" is pretty darn insulting to Melina and Fox.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:50:23 GMT -5
Man, the reaction to her saying Melina vs Alicia Fox has always annoyed me. WWE says it has something for everyone right? If that's the match that she dug, what's the matter with that? A current performer being into current women's wrestlers is a GOOD thing. It means she appreciates what they're doing. But I guess in WWE the only acceptable women to like are Trish and Lita or...whatever. Not to mention Austin's "Who?" is pretty darn insulting to Melina and Fox. It was very clear by her reaction and tone of voice that she said it because it was the only match she could name, not because she chose that out of all the women's matches she had seen. That's why she got flak over it, not because people hate Melina or Alicia Fox.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Sept 15, 2014 10:50:19 GMT -5
Man, the reaction to her saying Melina vs Alicia Fox has always annoyed me. WWE says it has something for everyone right? If that's the match that she dug, what's the matter with that? A current performer being into current women's wrestlers is a GOOD thing. It means she appreciates what they're doing. But I guess in WWE the only acceptable women to like are Trish and Lita or...whatever. Not to mention Austin's "Who?" is pretty darn insulting to Melina and Fox. Exactly. Most over here only refer to it jokingly, which is fine. But listing it as one of the reasons why she sucks and doesn't belong in the WWE, I don't understand.
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Post by keezy on Sept 15, 2014 10:54:32 GMT -5
Man, the reaction to her saying Melina vs Alicia Fox has always annoyed me. WWE says it has something for everyone right? If that's the match that she dug, what's the matter with that? A current performer being into current women's wrestlers is a GOOD thing. It means she appreciates what they're doing. But I guess in WWE the only acceptable women to like are Trish and Lita or...whatever. Not to mention Austin's "Who?" is pretty darn insulting to Melina and Fox. Alicia Fox and Melina weren't even the worst wrestlers of that time, if she said Kelly Kelly vs Maria however...
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 15, 2014 11:09:41 GMT -5
Man, the reaction to her saying Melina vs Alicia Fox has always annoyed me. WWE says it has something for everyone right? If that's the match that she dug, what's the matter with that? A current performer being into current women's wrestlers is a GOOD thing. It means she appreciates what they're doing. But I guess in WWE the only acceptable women to like are Trish and Lita or...whatever. Not to mention Austin's "Who?" is pretty darn insulting to Melina and Fox. Also, I find it hilarious people still say she said that match because she couldn't think of any others. If that was really the case, Melina vs Alicia Fox is a really f***ing random match to name. I mean, why not go for Hogan vs Andre, or Hogan vs Savage, or hell, the hundred or so John Cena vs Randy Orton matches they crammed into a four or five year window. I honestly feel like that is the go-to response because some people seriously cannot accept people actually liking Divas matches after 2006. They think that because they feel the Divas bouts are bathroom breaks, everyone else does, and if they don't they're lying.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Sept 15, 2014 11:12:39 GMT -5
WWE put her on an NXT show to perform for a one off, no different from any other main roster talent whose "just making a cameo". Cameron actually wants to work in developmental to improve her game. Is Eva Marie willing to spend time at the performance center and actually train? Not the point entirely. Even if it was a one-off cameo, if the NXT crowd reacted that violently to her, why the hell would you want to go back to developmental full-time and stay there? To be fair, Bo Dallas was basically the male Eva Marie last year. Undeserved push when he sucked a ton as a wrestler, a mini-feud with Barrett on the main roster, and people hated his guts too (No More Bo, people turning their back on his NXT title win, etc). But instead of just keep on trucking along, they worked with Bo and helepd him improve in the ring, find a gimmick that works, and now he's a favorite among the main roster now. Eva can easily take the heat she gets and turn it into something if she's willing to put in the work and prove folks wrong.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 15, 2014 11:14:05 GMT -5
They were both fine as dancers. That's all their role should have been. Should have kept them with Brodus as mid-card comedy acts to give the fans a laugh between intense matches.
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Post by gr1990 on Sept 15, 2014 11:39:38 GMT -5
Wouldn't that episode of Total Divas have been filmed around the time the Funkadactyls breakup was happening and she was on Raw or Smackdown every week? Definitely just a TD storyline, like 99% of everything else on the show. And if she did actually go back down to Florida to train around that time, all they apparently taught her was how to check her make-up during a match for heel heat, otherwise she was still the same old mediocre Cameron.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 12:28:06 GMT -5
Man, the reaction to her saying Melina vs Alicia Fox has always annoyed me. WWE says it has something for everyone right? If that's the match that she dug, what's the matter with that? A current performer being into current women's wrestlers is a GOOD thing. It means she appreciates what they're doing. But I guess in WWE the only acceptable women to like are Trish and Lita or...whatever. Not to mention Austin's "Who?" is pretty darn insulting to Melina and Fox. Also, I find it hilarious people still say she said that match because she couldn't think of any others. If that was really the case, Melina vs Alicia Fox is a really f***ing random match to name. I mean, why not go for Hogan vs Andre, or Hogan vs Savage, or hell, the hundred or so John Cena vs Randy Orton matches they crammed into a four or five year window. I honestly feel like that is the go-to response because some people seriously cannot accept people actually liking Divas matches after 2006. They think that because they feel the Divas bouts are bathroom breaks, everyone else does, and if they don't they're lying. You shouldn't find it hilarious that "people" (i.e me, who you are obviously responding to) say that. I already pointed out that her reaction and expression gave away that she couldn't come up with any other matches. Not because of a manufactured idea that people don't like diva matches, or because it's a go-to response, but because of Cameron's face and tone of voice. Lets say she had seen a bunch of matches, just for the hell of it, even though it didn't happen. What match is she even talking about, some throwaway match on RAW that went 3 minutes? Ask 1000 people that watch wrestling, male and female, what their favorite match is. I'd put money on the fact that the names Melina or Alicia Fox would come up exactly 0 times...well unless Art Ruth was one of them then Melina would be in there alot. =P The reason she didn't name common matches like the ones you listed is because she hasn't seen them.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 15, 2014 12:42:47 GMT -5
WWE put her on an NXT show to perform for a one off, no different from any other main roster talent whose "just making a cameo". Cameron actually wants to work in developmental to improve her game. Is Eva Marie willing to spend time at the performance center and actually train? Not the point entirely. Even if it was a one-off cameo, if the NXT crowd reacted that violently to her, why the hell would you want to go back to developmental full-time and stay there? Why would she want to go back to developmental full time? To improve her skills. Cameron wants to. Why can't Eva? If she isn't willing to at least make the effort to get better she deserves to have crowds shit on her every time WWE tries to force them to accept her because she's "hot". I am very accepting of mediocre wrestlers. What I do not accept is when both female and male performers bust their asses to get better only to rot in obscurity while talentless hacks get a spot and airtime despite having no desire to improve.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Sept 15, 2014 12:45:27 GMT -5
you know, just because these people aren't on the NXT TV, doesn't mean that they're not working with the NXT crew at the Performance center or untelevised shows.
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 15, 2014 12:50:27 GMT -5
To be fair, Bo Dallas was basically the male Eva Marie last year. Undeserved push when he sucked a ton as a wrestler, a mini-feud with Barrett on the main roster, and people hated his guts too (No More Bo, people turning their back on his NXT title win, etc). But instead of just keep on trucking along, they worked with Bo and helepd him improve in the ring, find a gimmick that works, and now he's a favorite among the main roster now. Eva can easily take the heat she gets and turn it into something if she's willing to put in the work and prove folks wrong.[/quote] Why would she want to go back to developmental full time? To improve her skills. Cameron wants to. Why can't Eva? If she isn't willing to at least make the effort to get better she deserves to have crowds shit on her every time WWE tries to force them to accept her because she's "hot". I am very accepting of mediocre wrestlers. What I do not accept is when both female and male performers bust their asses to get better only to rot in obscurity while talentless hacks get a spot and airtime despite having no desire to improve. These are the case. But again- the point is the same. Cameron could go to NXT and improve her skills, and the crowd would at least accept her if she tried. It was clear by the reaction in NXT when Eva was there that the well is so totally poisoned there that to fans, especially in the NXT area, they won't even ACCEPT her going back down to NXT to improve her skills because it'd mean she's stinking up NXT rings. If Eva does want to improve her skills, more power to her- but the well may be so poisoned nothing short of Eva Marie doing what JoJo did and taking herself off the cast of Total Divas in order to go right back to the beginners' class and working her way back up will make it stick- and there's a 50/50 chance even that wouldn't be accepted.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 15, 2014 12:57:32 GMT -5
Also, I find it hilarious people still say she said that match because she couldn't think of any others. If that was really the case, Melina vs Alicia Fox is a really f***ing random match to name. I mean, why not go for Hogan vs Andre, or Hogan vs Savage, or hell, the hundred or so John Cena vs Randy Orton matches they crammed into a four or five year window. I honestly feel like that is the go-to response because some people seriously cannot accept people actually liking Divas matches after 2006. They think that because they feel the Divas bouts are bathroom breaks, everyone else does, and if they don't they're lying. You shouldn't find it hilarious that "people" (i.e me, who you are obviously responding to) say that. I already pointed out that her reaction and expression gave away that she couldn't come up with any other matches. Not because of a manufactured idea that people don't like diva matches, or because it's a go-to response, but because of Cameron's face and tone of voice. Lets say she had seen a bunch of matches, just for the hell of it, even though it didn't happen. What match is she even talking about, some throwaway match on RAW that went 3 minutes? Ask 1000 people that watch wrestling, male and female, what their favorite match is. I'd put money on the fact that the names Melina or Alicia Fox would come up exactly 0 times...well unless Art Ruth was one of them then Melina would be in there alot. =P The reason she didn't name common matches like the ones you listed is because she hasn't seen them. First off, I wasn't singling you out. I've heard that response about a hundred times, hence why I said "people". As for the match itself, Melina vs Alicia Fox may not be a first choice in most wrestling circles, but I recall the website Diva-Dirt giving the feud and both performers very high ratings. I'm not saying it was the best match in the world, but I imagine your rating of the match definitely weighs heavily on how you rate women's wrestling. And you're right, a lot of people aren't going to go for Melina vs Alicia Fox as their favorite match. Of course, a lot of people aren't going to choose a women's match to begin with. As for the tone of voice, it's called a high rising terminal, it's generally how Californians from her region speak, and she talks more or less the same way on Total Divas.
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Post by cahuette on Sept 15, 2014 13:13:51 GMT -5
I don't care about her being a woman, your favorite match is not Melina vs Alicia Fox, it's never Melina vs Alicia Fox, you can have respect for both of them but Melina vs Alicia Fox can only be your favorite match when you've not seen much of anything else! Why? Because first of all they did not have one match, so you'd have to name it, if you have a favorite match you probably know more than who was in it, there are more than one Melina vs Alicia fox matches! So then, even if she forgot to name it, was it the one that lasted 3 minutes or the one that lasted 4 minutes? Because I can't find much of their matches lasting more than that, maybe 5 for big occasions, and they're clearly not great. And if she wanted to make a statement by showing that you can look up to women wrestlers for their wrestling abilities, she wouldn't be in total divas, making a fool of herself and working shitty matches. Also it's great to admit you suck, but it still makes her someone who sucks. So no, Cameron can't have some credit for me, and she probably never will because even if WWE starts caring about divas(no total divas is not caring about divas, it's caring about honey boo boo with more boobs in it) I don't think she'll be the one capitalizing on it.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 15, 2014 13:22:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. It shows she cares about getting better.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Sept 15, 2014 13:25:20 GMT -5
Has she even gone? This footage they're showing on TD now is from back around Wrestlemania.
I think the praise is in the right place, but I don't think she'll be in the WWE once Total Divas runs it course.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 15, 2014 13:51:34 GMT -5
Has she even gone? This footage they're showing on TD now is from back around Wrestlemania. I think the praise is in the right place, but I don't think she'll be in the WWE once Total Divas runs it course. Yeah sorry guys this just screams Total Divas storyline. Like Nattie's videotaped assault on Summer for next weeks show it's all for the cameras. Once this program is done and over with you can probably say goodbye to Cameron, Eva Marie and Rosa at a minimum. Bella's will also probably always be around in some sense due to their husband/boyfriends are but face it, those girls are just there for the TD show, and whatever storylines they want to throw in there. But like someone else said, why go to NXT when there's someone more talented than you in every way down there with a similar gimmick. Shows over, she's over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 14:22:36 GMT -5
You shouldn't find it hilarious that "people" (i.e me, who you are obviously responding to) say that. I already pointed out that her reaction and expression gave away that she couldn't come up with any other matches. Not because of a manufactured idea that people don't like diva matches, or because it's a go-to response, but because of Cameron's face and tone of voice. Lets say she had seen a bunch of matches, just for the hell of it, even though it didn't happen. What match is she even talking about, some throwaway match on RAW that went 3 minutes? Ask 1000 people that watch wrestling, male and female, what their favorite match is. I'd put money on the fact that the names Melina or Alicia Fox would come up exactly 0 times...well unless Art Ruth was one of them then Melina would be in there alot. =P The reason she didn't name common matches like the ones you listed is because she hasn't seen them. First off, I wasn't singling you out. I've heard that response about a hundred times, hence why I said "people". As for the match itself, Melina vs Alicia Fox may not be a first choice in most wrestling circles, but I recall the website Diva-Dirt giving the feud and both performers very high ratings. I'm not saying it was the best match in the world, but I imagine your rating of the match definitely weighs heavily on how you rate women's wrestling. And you're right, a lot of people aren't going to go for Melina vs Alicia Fox as their favorite match. Of course, a lot of people aren't going to choose a women's match to begin with. As for the tone of voice, it's called a high rising terminal, it's generally how Californians from her region speak, and she talks more or less the same way on Total Divas. You said it within 15 minutes of me posting it. No one else had posted anything similar in this thread. It was in response to me. Even if you didn't, the response 100 times was because it was the case. Also tell me about the Melina vs Alicia Fox match. I bet you have to use google to even figure out when the hell that match was. It was a random match she probably saw out of the corner of her eye once. Please, tell me about the details of a Melina vs Alicia Fox match, ANY Melina vs Alicia Fox match. Tell me what makes it even mediocre. Seriously, you want to argue this? This is stupid.
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