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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 15, 2014 23:30:46 GMT -5
He would have snorted the WWF into bankruptcy in months.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2014 0:38:49 GMT -5
Maybe if someone could've rescued him when he was young from that toxic environment, maybe if VKM would've been able to stage a strong intervention...
David Von Erich would've been a big deal in New York, he was big enough, well built, his psychology was awesome, unlike his brothers, he had the balls to leave his daddy's territory and make a name of his own...we all know how he died, and that the probable cause definitely is an overdose, I've never heard stories of him being a mess like his brothers, he had a tough young life, his daughter died while still a baby I think, and he was only 20....
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 16, 2014 0:43:48 GMT -5
Maybe if someone could've rescued him when he was young from that toxic environment, maybe if VKM would've been able to stage a strong intervention... David Von Erich would've been a big deal in New York, he was big enough, well built, his psychology was awesome, unlike his brothers, he had the balls to leave his daddy's territory and make a name of his own...we all know how he died, and that the probable cause definitely is an overdose, I've never heard stories of him being a mess like his brothers, he had a tough young life, his daughter died while still a baby I think, and he was only 20.... Andre "fired" the Freebirds, so I don't see KVE lasting too long at the same time with the same issues.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2014 0:49:56 GMT -5
Oh yeah I forgot about that, Hayes told that one on a legends round table. I think Andre also had a hand in firing the Rockers after they allegedly wrecked havok in a bar.
Guess 80s Vince wasn't as caring and understanding as what Old Vince has become, sending Mercury to rehab and basically allowing Ric Flair to keep breathing. His daughter has learned from him in that way, allegedly Rosa Mendes is Stephanie's Flair.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 16, 2014 5:49:06 GMT -5
The WWF schedule would have burned him out in very little time, leaving Vince scrambling for a replacement and doing damage control to try and cover up a public meltdown. Hogan was by far the better choice, he was already a star and a better all round talent, he came off better in interviews and he kept his indiscretions behind closed doors for the most part.
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Post by somsta on Sept 16, 2014 6:51:01 GMT -5
Would Kerry Von Erich have been able to grab Donald Trump and dog paddle to safety at Wrestlemania 4? Did Kerry Von Erich have jealous eyes? When it comes crashing down and it hurts inside how does Kerry Von Erich respond? I don't know. Those are the kinds of questions I don't want to have to answer.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Sept 16, 2014 7:53:19 GMT -5
Right. Some charisma, but not Hogan levels. And of course WCCW loved him, Fritz booked his boys like gods there. Kerry, Kevin and David were over in every territory they went to. They were great talents, and not just because of who their daddy was. They worked hard to earn respect around the territories. Kerry had a tremendous amount of charisma, he showed more charisma in just taking off his jacket than a number of the faces in the AWA could show in an entire match. However, I agree that the promo ability of Kerry would have been a tough sell in the WWF - NY area and Hogan's gift of gab separated him from anyone else who could have potentially filled that spot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:20:59 GMT -5
Oh yeah I forgot about that, Hayes told that one on a legends round table. I think Andre also had a hand in firing the Rockers after they allegedly wrecked havok in a bar. Guess 80s Vince wasn't as caring and understanding as what Old Vince has become, sending Mercury to rehab and basically allowing Ric Flair to keep breathing. His daughter has learned from him in that way, allegedly Rosa Mendes is Stephanie's Flair. Old Vince lives in a different world than Young Vince did, and is under a lot more scrutiny. I think what Old Vince does for the talents is great, but I'm sure it's greatly self motivated.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Sept 16, 2014 9:05:26 GMT -5
Maybe if someone could've rescued him when he was young from that toxic environment, maybe if VKM would've been able to stage a strong intervention... David Von Erich would've been a big deal in New York, he was big enough, well built, his psychology was awesome, unlike his brothers, he had the balls to leave his daddy's territory and make a name of his own...we all know how he died, and that the probable cause definitely is an overdose, I've never heard stories of him being a mess like his brothers, he had a tough young life, his daughter died while still a baby I think, and he was only 20.... Kerry and Kevin went down to florida, Hawaii, St. Louis, Tennessee and Japan and had a match or two in the WWF in the early 80's. They all traveled but their home territory was Texas.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 16, 2014 11:14:00 GMT -5
Kerry Von Erich was no Hulk Hogan. He had some charisma to him, and a great look; but Hogan outclassed him in every possible way outside of MAYBE in-ring skill, which is honestly the least important factor to getting over. And I know it's almost a cliché to say this, but looking at some of Hogan's work in Japan, that could be debatable. Also, Kerry wasn't exactly the best talker in the world. In the ring he had great physical charisma, but for him to get over in WWF's main event they would have to edit his promos like that beer commercial Will Ferrell did.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 11:35:48 GMT -5
Oh yeah I forgot about that, Hayes told that one on a legends round table. I think Andre also had a hand in firing the Rockers after they allegedly wrecked havok in a bar. Guess 80s Vince wasn't as caring and understanding as what Old Vince has become, sending Mercury to rehab and basically allowing Ric Flair to keep breathing. His daughter has learned from him in that way, allegedly Rosa Mendes is Stephanie's Flair. Old Vince lives in a different world than Young Vince did, and is under a lot more scrutiny. I think what Old Vince does for the talents is great, but I'm sure it's greatly self motivated. rumors I've heard says 80s Vince could have been one of the boys. I read a story that he actually did use coke in the 80s stating he could do as much as he wanted without addiction. And well eventually the claims stop but no one claims he was going through withdrawl for a period
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2014 11:51:30 GMT -5
Old Vince lives in a different world than Young Vince did, and is under a lot more scrutiny. I think what Old Vince does for the talents is great, but I'm sure it's greatly self motivated. rumors I've heard says 80s Vince could have been one of the boys. I read a story that he actually did use coke in the 80s stating he could do as much as he wanted without addiction. And well eventually the claims stop but no one claims he was going through withdrawl for a period Yeah, Bret told a story about the night before the WWF was gonna create and put in action their drug testing policy, that Vince went to the bar with everyone and got f***ed up, at the end they went to Flair's suite and were horsing around, everyone gave Vince their finishing move, like the Road Warriors even gave him the Doomsday Device, to end the night, allegedly Vince pissed on the room's plants or on the carpet. If you were a wrestler in the 80s you took 2 things, steroids and cocaine, Vince was no exception, I think also that Xpac said that he once saw Vince smoke a joint or something in the 90s. Man, if I had a time machine I would like to party with 80s Vince, Old Vince sucks. 80s Vince should be a playable character on the video games.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 16, 2014 14:35:09 GMT -5
Well with all due respect, I think people do exajurate how far David or Kerry could have gone. Michael Hayes he said one time, had David not died he was going to have Kerry's spot as the next NWA World Champion, which I think is true, but he said unlike Kerry who only had a 3 week reign, that David was going to have a run with the belt. I just don't see that happening, just like I couldn't see anyone but Hogan be Vince's guy in the 80's, I couldn't see anyone else carry the NWA mantle but Flair in those days.
I know David was a heel in Florida and did a good job, I thought no one would have played the heel arrogant bigger than life World champion that the local hero challenges better than Flair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 16:52:38 GMT -5
Well with all due respect, I think people do exajurate how far David or Kerry could have gone. Michael Hayes he said one time, had David not died he was going to have Kerry's spot as the next NWA World Champion, which I think is true, but he said unlike Kerry who only had a 3 week reign, that David was going to have a run with the belt. I just don't see that happening, just like I couldn't see anyone but Hogan be Vince's guy in the 80's, I couldn't see anyone else carry the NWA mantle but Flair in those days. I know David was a heel in Florida and did a good job, I thought no one would have played the heel arrogant bigger than life World champion that the local hero challenges better than Flair. I agree with this. Barry Windham was better than all the Von Erichs, and was midcard for his whole career. Even when he won the NWA title in the 90's it wasn't the "main" title. So to me when people speculate about what the Von Erichs or Magnum would have done, I think about guys like Barry Windham. That's not to say that any of them couldn't have accomplished more, but it shouldn't be a foregone conclusion that they would have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 17:11:24 GMT -5
The easiest way to answer this question is to switch out "Modern Day" for "Ultimate" and you'd get a pretty good impression of how his run would have went. It would have been well under a year and he would have lost it to a top-tier heel who would be getting a transitional run before handing it off to the REAL face of the company. (I'd guess, due to the time-frame, that it would have been Piper rather than Slaughter.)
If Kerry had been the one to get the spot at MOST the Hulkamania era would have been pushed back a year or two with Kerry beating Sheik, Piper beating Kerry and Hulk beating Piper at the first WrestleMania (possibly a year delayed). I despise Hogan, even as a kid in the 80s I was never a fan, but I'll be the first to admit that without him the whole 80s boom wouldn't have happened. He was the perfect mix of someone who was intimidating yet charismatic and larger than life while still coming off as down to earth.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 16, 2014 23:01:30 GMT -5
Right. Some charisma, but not Hogan levels. And of course WCCW loved him, Fritz booked his boys like gods there. Kerry, Kevin and David were over in every territory they went to. They were great talents, and not just because of who their daddy was. They worked hard to earn respect around the territories. Kerry had a tremendous amount of charisma, he showed more charisma in just taking off his jacket than a number of the faces in the AWA could show in an entire match. However, I agree that the promo ability of Kerry would have been a tough sell in the WWF - NY area and Hogan's gift of gab separated him from anyone else who could have potentially filled that spot. Right. I'm not arguing Kerry had charisma and was over--obviously he did. But it's sorta like if Kerry was a torch, Hogan was a forest fire.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 16, 2014 23:48:10 GMT -5
Without the family, the history and the connection to the city, Kerry would have been just another wrestler. One way or another, Kerry would have cratered shortly after arrival.
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 17, 2014 3:21:33 GMT -5
Without the family, the history and the connection to the city, Kerry would have been just another wrestler. One way or another, Kerry would have cratered shortly after arrival. Kerry's push even in WCCW was premised on being the surrogate for David - a role that could have just as easily (if stories are to be believed) gone to Kevin. David in NWA was going to get a run with the belt, apparently (how that would have changed Flair's role in wrestling history is anyone's guess.) Smart money would have had David stay there at the top of the card versus, at best, getting a few I-C runs in WWF. Vince might have taken a chance on Kerry back in the day, and probably would have put the I-C belt on him five or six years earlier (bypassing possibly Tito Santana's reign and _maybe_ losing to Savage in the bargain.) Kevin would have done largely the same. The biggest obstacle to any of this would be, as it proved to be in the end, Fritz's desire to keep his boys nearby and making _him_ money. The ultimate failure of WCCW was in Fritz's inability to draw in workers willing, ultimately, to sacrifice their careers in order to keep the mythology going. Kerry went to WWF only after he had, really, nowhere else to go.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 17, 2014 8:52:12 GMT -5
David in NWA was going to get a run with the belt, apparently Probably not. David was never really "in line" to get a run; he was simply the guy the World Class office was lobbying for the part, just as every other NWA promotion had their own "The Guy" they wanted to have in that place, so when the Von Erichs (Fritz before he died and Kevin now) say "David was going to be NWA champ" that isn't fact; it's just what they were hoping for and working on. The likelihood of the NWA Committee voting in unison to put David on top would have been a long shot really.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 17, 2014 19:11:39 GMT -5
Even though cocaine and other drug use was quite common in the 80's in pro wrestling, Kerry would been a definite high risk for WWE to push as a top act. While Vince did want to get him to groom as a headliner, Kerry would had stalled at the midcard level. It would just be a matter of time of when he showed up to work way too f***ed up to perform. Kerry was able to get away with that in WCCW due to fans willing ignoring his addiction issues due to the Von Erich martyrdom and having people who knew how to work around it. In WWF, all it takes is one good screw up and you're done.
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