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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 18, 2014 10:31:30 GMT -5
Then those smarks will turn around and complain that the guys THEY support aren't being pushed/featured, while the guys who drive PPV buys and income, like John Cena and such, are featured... and they don't understand why their opinions don't matter. I don't mean to generalize, but you brought up the idea that the fans that support indies are the same ones pirating WWE... well, now that their guys are being brought into a bigger stage, these people should be willing to embrace it, rather than keep their pirate mentality. The supposed "smarks" are the ones who jumped all over buying the Network. Do you think Joe Casual dropped money so he could watch This Tuesday in Texas and NXT? It's time to stop treating the internet fans like little bridge trolls. Really? I'm not trying to be negative about internet fans but reality is that not that many people put their money were their mouths is. I see more people on the net bragging about not paying for dvds and/or ppvs than ones who said they spent their dollar towards something they like. It's not a problem here but other places on the Net, it is.
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Post by keezy on Sept 18, 2014 10:32:36 GMT -5
I could see them being like a face version of Nexus.
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Post by ededdneddy on Sept 18, 2014 10:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by keezy on Sept 18, 2014 10:34:43 GMT -5
Back off John, I eat stables for breakfast.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 10:40:04 GMT -5
I think it's about the long game.
Since Joey's all about the internet and we all know damn well Hunner is about the internet, I think this is just one of the little things they're doing to really prepare for the day that when most of your audience are "smarks" or at the very least in contact with them whenever they discuss wrestling.
My aunt, who is generally fine with John Cena as long as he isn't cracking jokes, and my cousin, who still thinks HBK looks like a ferret, still get most of their wrestling info from my cousins and myself.
We're all "smarked" out.
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Post by chazzbusby on Sept 18, 2014 11:00:27 GMT -5
Said something similar in the Pics/Gifs thread when I saw the picture of the NXT five in the ring together but I'll say it again...
I am so excited to see the stuff these guys can do together. Regal wasn't blowing smoke when he said NXT has become the place to be and it's about to become unmissable. The NXT five are just the tip of the iceberg too. The talent pool on NXT is (not a swimming pool no matter how much you might want it to be) almost overwhelming.
ARGHHHHH *KEN SHAMROCK SCREAM AND TEMPLE PUNCH* I'M SO EXCITED!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 11:28:05 GMT -5
I could see them being like a face version of Nexus. What's amazing is that all they need is an indie guy from the US to sign (Adam Cole perhaps?) and you can build an United Nations type stable. Maybe call them World's Finest or something.
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Post by Woo on Sept 18, 2014 11:52:25 GMT -5
"Smarks" in 2014. Lol. I could see them being like a face version of Nexus. What's amazing is that all they need is an indie guy from the US to sign (Adam Cole perhaps?) and you can build an United Nations type stable. Maybe call them World's Finest or something. They have Soloman Crowe still right? I feel bad that him and Kalisto aren't in the "big 7"
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Post by BigWill on Sept 18, 2014 13:12:46 GMT -5
I'd rather not see them as a stable. I mean sure they'll probably be great in the beginning. And maybe by some sheer luck, the WWE doesn't screw up the stable like they've done with so many others. The problem is when they break up, and there's no way the WWE's going to have 5 empty spots for each of them to fill to keep them all relevant. So regardless of how well they do as a group, there will definitely be a few that will end up faltering after, and get that generic "creative has nothing for you line", and end up jobbers or released. And I'd really like to see all these guys succeed in the WWE for years to come, and not just as part of some flash in the pan stable.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Sept 18, 2014 13:12:58 GMT -5
They should find a way tomhad thosemfive make an "invasion" to raw, more likemthe ecw one than the invasion one though. They could even had a survivor series match to put them and NXT over as a viable option that you could only watch on the network
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 18, 2014 13:40:52 GMT -5
This made me chuckle Damn near choked on my lemonade there. I thought that was the one line we all knew but would never be brought up! I wish they didn't bring it up, because to me it tries to push the idea that all "bodybuilders and amateur athletes with no wrestling background at all" are useless lumps who "can't wrestle". I'm glad that they get that, but I feel like the guys in charge are losing sight of that.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 18, 2014 14:06:03 GMT -5
I wish they didn't bring it up, because to me it tries to push the idea that all "bodybuilders and amateur athletes with no wrestling background at all" are useless lumps who "can't wrestle". Thing is, it's usually true. I'm not saying they need to hire "indy darlings" only, but the guys who trained to wrestle before even sniffing WWE developmental are almost always better. This goes for WCW back in the day as well. Jericho, Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Mysterio, etc. were infinitely better than all the Power Plant goons. For every WWE-trained guy like Dolph Ziggler, you've got an endless line of meatheads who aren't good.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 18, 2014 14:11:15 GMT -5
ADAM
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Brilliant article as always! Can't wait for STEEN and DEVITT to debut, and can't wait for Itami's debut tonight
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 18, 2014 14:16:07 GMT -5
I wish they didn't bring it up, because to me it tries to push the idea that all "bodybuilders and amateur athletes with no wrestling background at all" are useless lumps who "can't wrestle". Thing is, it's usually true. I'm not saying they need to hire "indy darlings" only, but the guys who trained to wrestle before even sniffing WWE developmental are almost always better. This goes for WCW back in the day as well. Jericho, Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Mysterio, etc. were infinitely better than all the Power Plant goons. For every WWE-trained guy like Dolph Ziggler, you've got an endless line of meatheads who aren't good. I just don't like the good ones seemingly being lumped in with the bad ones just because they happen to have a similar look and background. I feel like a 6'4, 250 lb clean cut good looking ex-footballer could come in tomorrow, prove himself to be a pro wrestling prodigy/savant, and yet still be written off as a "meathead" who doesn't deserve his spot because he didn't come into the business "the right way".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 14:21:48 GMT -5
That's what I always thought was crazy about WWE worrying about guys being "too indie" or whatever. Guy who work the road adapt like crazy and could easily pick up the WWE style. I understand that attitude, because it's not so much the difficulty in adjusting to the style as much as it is about having egos willing to accept that they have to adapt to a new environment. I understand the trepidation but that period where they pretty much stonewalled themselves from independent wrestlers was absurd, in the same way that they seem to hesitate to push guys because Brock Lesnar left once.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 18, 2014 14:23:23 GMT -5
That's what I always thought was crazy about WWE worrying about guys being "too indie" or whatever. Guy who work the road adapt like crazy and could easily pick up the WWE style. I understand that attitude, because it's not so much the difficulty in adjusting to the style as much as it is about having egos willing to accept that they have to adapt to a new environment. I understand the trepidation but that period where they pretty much stonewalled themselves from independent wrestlers was absurd, in the same way that they seem to hesitate to push guys because Brock Lesnar left once. Part of me worries that Punk leaving might have ruined it for these guys.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Sept 18, 2014 14:34:04 GMT -5
Good article. I know it's been brought up, but I'd also like to remind everyone that ADAM. COLE. BAY BAY!
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Post by Captain2 on Sept 18, 2014 14:39:16 GMT -5
How so? I feel like the NXT product is pretty balanced in that regard. The website has been smark-friendly since at least 2011 though. There lies the problem. It's not translating into money for WWE. Even with NXT receiving rave reviews online, it is not making people buy the Network to watch it. I bought the network to watch NXT
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 18, 2014 14:40:23 GMT -5
Thing is, it's usually true. I'm not saying they need to hire "indy darlings" only, but the guys who trained to wrestle before even sniffing WWE developmental are almost always better. This goes for WCW back in the day as well. Jericho, Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Mysterio, etc. were infinitely better than all the Power Plant goons. For every WWE-trained guy like Dolph Ziggler, you've got an endless line of meatheads who aren't good. I just don't like the good ones seemingly being lumped in with the bad ones just because they happen to have a similar look and background. I feel like a 6'4, 250 lb clean cut good looking ex-footballer could come in tomorrow, prove himself to be a pro wrestling prodigy/savant, and yet still be written off as a "meathead" who doesn't deserve his spot because he didn't come into the business "the right way". Brock Lesnar and Dolph Ziggler disprove that theory. They're 100% homegrown WWE guys, and yet they're over with the same crowd as the indy guys. Skill gets people over. Those guys are the exception though, not the rule. Typically you get a bunch of Mojo Rawleys and Titus O'Neils.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 18, 2014 14:43:10 GMT -5
I just don't like the good ones seemingly being lumped in with the bad ones just because they happen to have a similar look and background. I feel like a 6'4, 250 lb clean cut good looking ex-footballer could come in tomorrow, prove himself to be a pro wrestling prodigy/savant, and yet still be written off as a "meathead" who doesn't deserve his spot because he didn't come into the business "the right way". Brock Lesnar and Dolph Ziggler disprove that theory. They're 100% homegrown WWE guys, and yet they're over with the same crowd as the indy guys. Skill gets people over. Those guys are the exception though, not the rule. Typically you get a bunch of Mojo Rawleys and Titus O'Neils. I don't consider myself a huge fan of either guy, but to be fair Mojo Rawley and Titus O'Neil are great at playing characters.
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