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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:30:50 GMT -5
It's gotta be Orton/Cena. One of the most forced feuds of all time. The only match I really liked of theirs was the I Quit match where Orton just looked like a psychopath.
I really hated the Edge feud. How transparent it was that WWE wanted this to be a modern day Austin/Rock, using the criteria that it should be a really long feud, and simply telling us this feud is just like Austin vs. Rock. Meanwhile its only purpose served was to tell us that while we might think Edge is on the level of Cena, he's not, so stop thinking it.
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Post by Raskovnik on Sept 21, 2014 13:32:17 GMT -5
The Rock, Ziggler, and Kane. The Bray feud fell the f*** apart after Bray lost at WM too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:32:24 GMT -5
I think listing his best feuds would be more of a challenge n Not really. Edge, Umaga, HHH, Shawn Michaels, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Batista. Off the top of my head. Edge is fine if you discount everything after their first 3 matches. It was overkill after that and generally made Edge look useless even as an opportunist. Umaga was a fun match but...I don't even remember a feud. That match though, a modern classic with a great ending. Triple H feud was AWFUL for Cena. Triple H -a kayfabe/fan appreciated worker- calls Cena a shit wrestler. Cena agrees. Wins. Fans boo Cena more. Awful as a plan to make fans like Cena more. Bryan/Cena didn't have a feud, it was a single match built on a one segment proposition that Cena was a shitty wrestler (which is bad writing, but worse when fans wholeheartedly agree with Bryan). HBK/Lesnar/Punk/Batista stand though, they were all good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:32:47 GMT -5
Its hard for Cena to have a good feud when in every single feud he's written/booked as the good guy, and so much of the audience hates him or at least just want to see him lose. It screws up the dynamic of every story. The only good ones he has are when they just kind of go with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:34:53 GMT -5
Not really. Edge, Umaga, HHH, Shawn Michaels, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Batista. Off the top of my head. Edge is fine if you discount everything after their first 3 matches. It was overkill after that and generally made Edge look useless even as an opportunist. Umaga was a fun match but...I don't even remember a feud. That match though, a modern classic with a great ending. Triple H feud was AWFUL for Cena. Triple H -a kayfabe/fan appreciated worker- calls Cena a shit wrestler. Cena agrees. Wins. Fans boo Cena more. Awful as a plan to make fans like Cena more. Bryan/Cena didn't have a feud, it was a single match built on the proposition that Cena was a shitty wrestler (which is bad writing, but worse when fans wholeheartedly agree with Bryan). HBK/Lesnar/Punk/Batista stand though, they were all good. In case you can't remember, the Umaga feud had the wonderful build up of Cena knocking Umaga out cold with ring steps a week before the PPV match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:36:28 GMT -5
Its hard for Cena to have a good feud when in every single feud he's written/booked as the good guy, and so much of the audience hates him or at least just want to see him lose. It screws up the dynamic of every story. The only good ones he has are when they just kind of go with it. Nail on the head. You can't have a hero who half of the fanbase shits on at every show, that continue to shit on him when he beats a more popular wrestler. When fans CHEER people they dislike instead of cheering Cena it's...baffling. They're so far past the time where an upsurge in writing quality will help him too, fans will boo him relentlessly against anyone who feels held down (Bryan/Ziggler/Sandow etc), or anyone who feels like a bigger star than Cena (Rock/Brock/Triple H etc). He has a huge fanbase, but it's a fanbase that can not grow. He's peaked. It's mind boggling really, it's not a knock on the wrestler, it's a knock on the preposterous and consistently horrendous Cena booking plan since 2005. Yes, I still hold a grudge for the WWE putting Kurt Angle through a thresher for Cena in 2005, think on that, 9 years of fans going "oh, boo this man!" Nothing's much changed since then.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 21, 2014 13:38:43 GMT -5
In nearly 10 years at the top, I find it hard to remember many of Cena's feuds. The vast majority have been so unmemorable, so mediocre and done nothing but put Cena over more than was necessary. The sad part is that WWE thinks it's necessary. Ever since Cena won the WWE Title the first time, they've been pushing him hard to overcompensate for the fact that they didn't do enough to put him over and put him on par with the established stars when he was actually coming up through the ranks. That's why part timers like Rock and Lesnar feel infinitely bigger.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 21, 2014 13:38:46 GMT -5
Cena/Orton the first time when Cena had to take time off wasn't bad. After? Yeah.
And I still laugh how WWE tried to set up an epic staredown between them at the Rumble 2 years ago not once, not twice, but three times had the announcers mark out, and the Crowd couldn't care less.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:43:33 GMT -5
In nearly 10 years at the top, I find it hard to remember many of Cena's feuds. The vast majority have been so unmemorable, so mediocre and done nothing but put Cena over more than was necessary. The sad part is that WWE thinks it's necessary. Ever since Cena won the WWE Title the first time, they've been pushing him hard to overcompensate for the fact that they didn't do enough to put him over and put him on par with the established stars when he was actually coming up through the ranks. That's why part timers like Rock and Lesnar feel infinitely bigger. It boggles the mind, Cena was truly very good, I remember buzzing about the first FU to the Big Show at Wrestlemania XX, a babyface but still with edge Cena winning a title in an environment where EVERYONE wanted him to win... It's such a pity, wasted potential in character/story terms, and as much as many may not agree that stunted/Mary Sue'd character has sort of made the stories he tells in ring frustrating/unsatisfactory. He has great matches every so often, but how many of them put over the psychology of the match? Very few. That can be put towards tons of other guys but with Cena being the near decade top dog he's the first in the firing line.
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Sept 21, 2014 14:15:02 GMT -5
Randy Orton
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 21, 2014 14:25:58 GMT -5
Orton. All disappointing, and nobody truly cared. Worst part is, I have a feeling it will happen again down the road.
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Post by The Quintessential Studmuffin on Sept 21, 2014 14:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by thirteen3 on Sept 21, 2014 14:56:28 GMT -5
Cena/Orton the first time when Cena had to take time off wasn't bad. After? Yeah. And I still laugh how WWE tried to set up an epic staredown between them at the Rumble 2 years ago not once, not twice, but three times had the announcers mark out, and the Crowd couldn't care less. One of my favorite wrestling moments ever.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Sept 21, 2014 15:01:09 GMT -5
His feuds with Del Rio were pretty bad, the first one had Cena outraged at Del Rio for nonsensical reasons and the title going back and forth between them, the second was built entirely built on "John Cena is coming back from injury and is an invulnerable superman" and couldn't have telegraphed him beating Del Rio any more obviously, and then their feud continued for a month completely unnecessarily.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 15:01:59 GMT -5
I actually loved this feud.
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Post by gnr123 on Sept 21, 2014 15:10:48 GMT -5
In nearly 10 years at the top, I find it hard to remember many of Cena's feuds. The vast majority have been so unmemorable, so mediocre and done nothing but put Cena over more than was necessary. The sad part is that WWE thinks it's necessary. Ever since Cena won the WWE Title the first time, they've been pushing him hard to overcompensate for the fact that they didn't do enough to put him over and put him on par with the established stars when he was actually coming up through the ranks. That's why part timers like Rock and Lesnar feel infinitely bigger. Which is why I continue to say that Rock going over Cena was a huge mistake. Not to mention the unneeded clean losses to Shawn and Triple H.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Sept 21, 2014 15:21:06 GMT -5
Orton. All disappointing, and nobody truly cared. Worst part is, I have a feeling it will happen again down the road. Leaked WM31 main event.
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Post by kingofthings on Sept 21, 2014 15:42:22 GMT -5
Because they screwed it up so much. Bray Wyatt.
This could have been genuinely brilliant, Bray should have been Cena's Joker this year. A constant menace. Obviously still time to relight that fire, but doubt they will.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Sept 21, 2014 15:43:35 GMT -5
Cena VS The Fans.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Sept 21, 2014 15:51:09 GMT -5
To be honest, Cena VS Kane and the Embrace The Hate was brutal.
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