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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 21:11:24 GMT -5
Who defines Hogan's era in WCW in terms of opponent. Usually the answer for most guys in terms of who defines their career is pretty easy.
Hogan had a few in WCW but who stood out as the most credible during his time there?
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Sept 21, 2014 21:24:50 GMT -5
Has to be Flair. If they hadn't botched that, it probably would have made WCW more money.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Sept 22, 2014 0:45:06 GMT -5
They could've booked Hogan and Goldberg on PPV and made millions. Instead they (allegedly) heavily papered the Georgia Dome and booked the match on Nitro, thus making zilch. Hogan's greatest opponent was obviously himself and his "creative control."
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Post by berlynwright on Sept 22, 2014 4:05:29 GMT -5
Has to be Flair. If they hadn't botched that, it probably would have made WCW more money. i thought their first match was awesome. only 4 star match in history for Hulk (Meltzer ratings) |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 22, 2014 5:43:19 GMT -5
Has to be Flair. If they hadn't botched that, it probably would have made WCW more money. i thought their first match was awesome. only 4 star match in history for Hulk (Meltzer ratings) Which is bullshit. Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania 18 is a 5 star match. It wasn't a technical match, but the atmosphere, story telling, both guy's reaction to the crowd, and their performances make it a 5 star match. Listen to King and JR during that match, they're not 2 guys calling a match for their jobs, they're 2 fans calling a dream match and getting completely lost in it. |
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Post by tms on Sept 22, 2014 6:02:31 GMT -5
i thought their first match was awesome. only 4 star match in history for Hulk (Meltzer ratings) Which is bullshit. Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania 18 is a 5 star match. It wasn't a technical match, but the atmosphere, story telling, both guy's reaction to the crowd, and their performances make it a 5 star match. Listen to King and JR during that match, they're not 2 guys calling a match for their jobs, they're 2 fans calling a dream match and getting completely lost in it. I never felt JR was "lost" in that match at all. He exposed himself as a biased tool for trying every trick in the book to downplay Hogan's popularity with the crowd. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 22, 2014 6:06:42 GMT -5
Which is bullshit. Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania 18 is a 5 star match. It wasn't a technical match, but the atmosphere, story telling, both guy's reaction to the crowd, and their performances make it a 5 star match. Listen to King and JR during that match, they're not 2 guys calling a match for their jobs, they're 2 fans calling a dream match and getting completely lost in it. I never felt JR was "lost" in that match at all. He exposed himself as a biased tool for trying every trick in the book to downplay Hogan's popularity with the crowd. After Hogan hits the Atomic Leg Drop: "HE BEAT ANDRE THE GIANT WITH THAT MOVE!" |
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Post by tms on Sept 22, 2014 8:55:01 GMT -5
I never felt JR was "lost" in that match at all. He exposed himself as a biased tool for trying every trick in the book to downplay Hogan's popularity with the crowd. After Hogan hits the Atomic Leg Drop: "HE BEAT ANDRE THE GIANT WITH THAT MOVE!" That's all well and good, but when you're trying to claim his popularity is due to nostalgia and that it's a split (when the crowd was at least 80/20 for Hogan and Rock, respectively) you come off as full of crap, which he was. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 9:43:34 GMT -5
JR was just protecting the Rock, which is nothing unique. Commentators have been "misinterpreting" crowd reactions forever because the reaction didn't fit the story they were trying to tell. I've seen commentators "misunderstand" chants of "Fill in the blank SUX!" and suggest that they were just chanting "USA!" in an effort to protect a wrestler's image.
To answer the OP, I see two different questions being asked:
1. Who defines Hogan's era, in terms of an opponent?
Answer: Sting, because honestly Sting was the guy who we all wanted to see Hogan go head to head with from the first time he entered the company, and Sting was the rivalry that they spent the most time building during the NWO era.
2. Who was Hogan's toughest WCW opponent?
Answer: Piper, because he ended up biting off a much bigger piece of Hogan than Sting ever did. Piper was booked as Hogan's equal, whereas the end result of Hogan vs. Sting booking showed that they never considered him to be on Hogan's level.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 22, 2014 15:23:49 GMT -5
credibility as in toughest opponent: Giant 95/96, Goldberg in 98
Hogan's "biggest" feud: Sting 97/98
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Post by chazraps on Sept 22, 2014 17:05:23 GMT -5
Is Piper the only one to beat him completely clean? Was the Goldberg victory clean too?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 18:09:27 GMT -5
Is Piper the only one to beat him completely clean? Was the Goldberg victory clean too? Yes it was. I believe Luger also beat him clean. |
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Sept 22, 2014 18:18:27 GMT -5
Is Piper the only one to beat him completely clean? Was the Goldberg victory clean too? Yes it was. I believe Luger also beat him clean. Though, thankfully, Goldberg and Luger were smart enough to not rewrite the contract to make it a non-title match like Piper did |
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Post by tms on Sept 22, 2014 18:23:51 GMT -5
Is Piper the only one to beat him completely clean? Was the Goldberg victory clean too? Yes it was. I believe Luger also beat him clean. Close to clean, but still with an "out." The Goldberg match had Hogan distracted by some sort of BS happening on the outside, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were shenanigans involved with the Luger loss. There was ALWAYS some sort of crap going on that prevented Hogan from looking like be lost COMPLETELY fair and square, even the first Warrior match, which is often cited as a "clean" win for Warrior over Hogan, would have seen Hogan defeat Warrior if the first ref bump hadn't occurred. (Which was fine with me anyway, Warrior never did a thing for me) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 18:34:01 GMT -5
Yes it was. I believe Luger also beat him clean. Close to clean, but still with an "out." The Goldberg match had Hogan distracted by some sort of BS happening on the outside, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were shenanigans involved with the Luger loss. There was ALWAYS some sort of crap going on that prevented Hogan from looking like be lost COMPLETELY fair and square, even the first Warrior match, which is often cited as a "clean" win for Warrior over Hogan, would have seen Hogan defeat Warrior if the first ref bump hadn't occurred. (Which was fine with me anyway, Warrior never did a thing for me) I think protecting him to a certain extent is ok. It helps him to save face and come back without looking weaker than the guy who beat him. IMO it was enough that Warrior beat Hogan. He didn't need to demolish him or prove that he was the better man. It's kind of like in any sport, there's always that "If only he had caught that pop fly, the game would have turned out different". It's purely speculative to make those claims, but it gives an out to fans of that team without taking away from the winners. |
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