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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:31:06 GMT -5
So yeah, Cena in my eyes is officially worse than Hulk Hogan. I don't give a flying shit how many Make-a-Wish kids he visits or whatever, nobody else has ever been booked at the expense of the entire goddamn roster, including the guy who was fed the biggest winning streak in wrestling history. Like I've said before, he's either a master politician or a spineless patsy, and either way he's just as responsible as Vince for the bullshit WWE's been peddling for the past decade. Both need to **** off and retire already, and the main event finish tonight was just further proof of that.
Yes, yes, careposting, MSTK3 mantra, etc.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2014 22:31:37 GMT -5
Gimmick infringement?
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Post by SenorCrest on Sept 21, 2014 22:32:43 GMT -5
Easy solution to that. Don't do the match again! Lesnar's had roughly ten matches since coming back, why do four of them have to be with Cena? Well then let's see you come up with another opponent for Lesnar for Hell In A Cell that isn't Cena, and I guess isn't Big Show either since everyone here was up in arms about that one too. Exactly, he doesn't exist. Simple. Lesnar kills Cena and we don;t see him. fake injury, low self esteem. Feed him Sheamus, Big E or Orton w/e Then Cena comes back from uber training and such and book the Hell in a Cell match.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 21, 2014 22:33:15 GMT -5
Gimmick infringement? Same with him (except it wasn't A match & It wasn't at Mania, Just a brutal beatdown) Although unlike Heyman WWE wants us to forget his Rapper Gimmick
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Post by khali on Sept 21, 2014 22:33:30 GMT -5
I understand people are pointing out that Lesnar still looked strong, but that is NOT the story the announcers were telling. They were telling the story that both Cena and Rollins could have beat him. That's the story they were telling.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 21, 2014 22:34:57 GMT -5
Well then let's see you come up with another opponent for Lesnar for Hell In A Cell that isn't Cena, and I guess isn't Big Show either since everyone here was up in arms about that one too. Exactly, he doesn't exist. Simple. Lesnar kills Cena and we don;t see him. fake injury, low self esteem. Feed him Sheamus, Big E or Orton w/e Then Cena comes back from uber training and such and book the Hell in a Cell match. They already did this angle for NOC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:35:46 GMT -5
Simple. Lesnar kills Cena and we don;t see him. fake injury, low self esteem. Feed him Sheamus, Big E or Orton w/e Then Cena comes back from uber training and such and book the Hell in a Cell match. They already did this angle for NOC No, they didn't. They had Cena take off one week, come back with, "RAH, CENA SMASH!" and kick everyone's ass en route to having the same match as SummerSlam only to shrug it off and leave the guy who ended the f***ing streak having to be bailed out.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 22:36:11 GMT -5
I understand people are pointing out that Lesnar still looked strong, but that is NOT the story the announcers were telling. They were telling the story that both Cena and Rollins could have beat him. That's the story they were telling. The story I got most from announcers was Jibbles screaming at the top of his lungs that Brock was not human.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2014 22:37:25 GMT -5
Simple. Lesnar kills Cena and we don;t see him. fake injury, low self esteem. Feed him Sheamus, Big E or Orton w/e Then Cena comes back from uber training and such and book the Hell in a Cell match. They already did this angle for NOC No they didn't. That's what people are taking issue with, Cena literally didn't change anything. He was back from a brutal beatdown one week later, and in this match just was able to hold his own better, just because. If they'd done a thing where it looked like John changed tactics, questioned himself whatever, it would've been better received. Not perfectly received, cuz people really hate Cena; but better received.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2014 22:38:09 GMT -5
I understand people are pointing out that Lesnar still looked strong, but that is NOT the story the announcers were telling. They were telling the story that both Cena and Rollins could have beat him. That's the story they were telling. The story I got most from announcers was Jibbles screaming at the top of his lungs that Brock was not human. He was screaming that, but Cole was hammering the whole "was Brock gonna lose?!?" thing about ten times more.
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Post by thetower52 on Sept 21, 2014 22:38:40 GMT -5
Christ, it took them one damn show to kill the goodwill they had gotten from the epic Summerslam match. Even TNA could not do something so clausterf***s as this finish. Have you read TNAs spoilers?
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Post by RI Richmark on Sept 21, 2014 22:38:50 GMT -5
I dunno about you guys, but this seems like a bit of an overreaction. Overreaction? On the Internet? No!!!!!
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Post by metylerca on Sept 21, 2014 22:39:17 GMT -5
I'm glad you asked everybody and they all agreed with you. You seem upset, and over professional wrestling of all things. It's just a television show, as MST3K stated in every episode. If this show isn't your cup of tea, then there are plenty of alternatives in 2014 available to you. Your boasting about watching Chikara instead early on proves this. Surely, if something has the ability to get you this riled up, then it might be time to think twice about why you even bother. There's more positive activities to devote your time to. Post of the year? Hardly, sir. But I do empathize with your anger and frustration as I, too, am tired of John Cena being on top. Lots of us are. I'm upset because I care
Of course there are better things I could devote my time too, but heres the thing, I love wrestling, and WWE is what introduced me to this world.
Anything you see suffer, that you love, and respect, you are truly, going to be angered at
So what if it's a TV show? You still can't feel emotions over that? Well that's your opinion, because I surely do.
My anger over WWE like many others is Tough Love. We care about WWE, we want to see it improve and get better, it has the TOOLS to do this, and yet overlooks them every time for Cena. Every time.
And I will continue to be upset about that until it ever changes, because I care. Even if WWE ever sees it, it's nice to see I'm not alone in the sentiment. Like I said, I agree with you on why you're mad. But the constant stream for years of people claiming it's the end of the world and grabbing their internet pitchforks stopped making sense to me the moment Cena beat Rock at WrestleMania. It's apparent they're going with Cena. 50 percent (on a good night) of the audience loves John Cena. He's the perfect company leader (and let's not be mistaken, ever since they went public, the business aspect has clearly been the priority) and the person you want representing your business whenever Rock is not around. That said, I am tired of him. Because 75% of all criticism of John Cena is becoming true. Because he is the embodiment of WWE's fear of change. And because John Cena can't be around forever and that is a sign of just how long he's been on top. As a child, I would tape every PPV and watch them from time to time, knowing by heart the matches in the main event and being able to rattle off everything about WWF's scene at the time, no matter which event I watched. Until the Cena era. I honestly could have considered myself the biggest wrestling fan in the world. I'd get upset (and still do) at wrestlers or magazines or websites or even posters here who would state incorrect information, because I knew exactly what happened at every old event. But now, I just assume every PPV ends with Cena standing tall. The reason: "send the fans home happy." And that's the problem with Cena. He's been built up as THE GUY for 9 years now. Even if he's not the mainstream star they wish he was, for 9 years he has still been portrayed as better than the rest of the roster and able to be rebuilt after every attack in a matter of seconds. Like a real life superhero. The reason the times he's looked vulnerable have been awesome reflect this. But the thing is, he won't fall down the card. And with WWE's lack of subtlety in anything these days, it'll be a very *smacked over the head* concept of John Cena ending his time in the company. He won't be a mid carder. And that's because he can't. He'd overshadow whatever goes on afterwards because of the image built by WWE unto it's audience that this Cena guy is to be more important than everyone else combined. When he does retire, it'll be from a main event position to nothing. And then he'll have a comeback run a few years later before finally hanging it up to come back every few months to RAW, where he inevitably gets heeled into another match in the main event. I don't see this changing until 2030, to be honest. And that is just depressing to think about. It's uncivil to wish harm, and just as f***ed up to take joy from any injury or unfortunate event. ("thank goodness") Save for a career ending injury though, Cena will be around until after this current crop of young guys will be finished with their prime. Kind of like how TNA became A.J. Styles and Samoa Joe's place to be... about 8 years after their primes. It'll happen, and it's pretty obvious it'll kill off an entire generation of fans who hate Cena. But with WWE making money off of the guy, I can't blame them to go to the well. After all, it's a business. And yeah, I've never loved anything on television to the point of going online to rant and rave like the police should interfere to make sure nothing like it happens again. I'm 24 now and even as a child I can't remember ever getting worked up into pouting over something happening on the weekly wrestling show (and I LOVE wrestling) to the point of it ruining my evening. A month from now, the people (and they know who they are) who complain every night in any thread that gives them a platform to will still be complaining. And the more years that go by, the more I will wonder why they bother. Because I had my tipping point in 2013, and now follow PWG religiously, and WWE on more of a "well, the PPV is Sunday, I guess I'll watch") level. This, because I saw something I disliked and stepped back and reminded myself how important it truly isn't. I just hope others can do the same before they find they're complaining about something that they ironically spend more time focussing on than the people who love it the most.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:39:34 GMT -5
I loved that match. What did Cena do differently this month that he didn't do last month? He learned. He adopted Brock's strategy. Hit your biggest killshot right away and use it to immediately put your opponent at a disadvantage. All month Heyman's been going "Be more like Brock to beat him." Well he got his wish...just not in the way he wanted. Tremendously smart, fun match.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Sept 21, 2014 22:40:35 GMT -5
To me, John Cena is akin to a black hole. He is always in the center of things and everything revolves around him and when things are pulled to him, they are distorted and compressed and he never can truly be dealt with.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 22:41:58 GMT -5
The story I got most from announcers was Jibbles screaming at the top of his lungs that Brock was not human. He was screaming that, but Cole was hammering the whole "was Brock gonna lose?!?" thing about ten times more. Isn't that splitting hairs a bit? Heyman will come out and say no Brock wasn't going to be pinned, he was going to kick out, get up, and F5 Cena just like he did. If a fan can't see that Brock is awesome after taking 6 finishers and walking out because Cole may have said that slightly more than JBL is kind of dumb.
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Post by SenorCrest on Sept 21, 2014 22:43:01 GMT -5
Simple. Lesnar kills Cena and we don;t see him. fake injury, low self esteem. Feed him Sheamus, Big E or Orton w/e Then Cena comes back from uber training and such and book the Hell in a Cell match. They already did this angle for NOC I think the lost to brock like this should have been a bigger deal. Let Cena think twice about himself, heal up from injuries and try to prove himself that he can take down a beast like this. Maybe live tweet during the match and pick apart the match and look for a weakness. Maybe show on his youtube getting advice from Hogan, Flair, Rock, or whatever. Brock Lesnar is the boss battle and like any boss battle the main dude has a weakness. They want to do this pseudo ufc style fight thing then make it feel deeper. or not w.e
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 21, 2014 22:43:35 GMT -5
I think people should really re-evaluate what they like about wrestling...
Half of the people here are mad because the match was not a squash...
I understand wanting things to happen in wrestling, but throwing hissey fits because what you wanted to happen didn't happen is kinda dumb...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:43:36 GMT -5
He was screaming that, but Cole was hammering the whole "was Brock gonna lose?!?" thing about ten times more. Isn't that splitting hairs a bit? Heyman will come out and say no Brock wasn't going to be pinned, he was going to kick out, get up, and F5 Cena just like he did. If a fan can't see that Brock is awesome after taking 6 finishers and walking out because Cole may have said that slightly more than JBL is kind of dumb. Most people aren't going to be watching a random filler PPV, though. This Lesnar stuff should be building to Mania, and the average Mania buyer - who only gets it based on PPV sales each year - is going to see the story being told on Raw by Cena, the commentators, and the recaps, which is going to be, "Lesnar got his ass kicked, Cena had it won!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:43:48 GMT -5
I understand people are pointing out that Lesnar still looked strong, but that is NOT the story the announcers were telling. They were telling the story that both Cena and Rollins could have beat him. That's the story they were telling. ...and even then, I'd accept that story, y'know? If it's like what @nichotine said. Cena mounts more offense for no apparent reason because the Cenation was really behind him this time, sister. Hey, have Cena actually be close to something resembling a victory. Brock still flattens him, but then you've gone a way to establish it is possible to beat Lesnar if the stars and planets are in the proper alignment. That'd be a very nifty story to tell if I ever got the impression they were going to have Lesnar run through dudes, considering Lesnar has enough credibility that even putting up a fight against him puts you over... From the impression I get this is just so Cena can beat him or something and ehh...Cena overcoming the odds by doing literally nothing different from last time is way too ridiculous for my viewing eyes.
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