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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 21, 2014 22:29:06 GMT -5
I haven't seen it, just read the results online and the recaps, my understanding is that John gave Brock like 4 attitude adjustments, at the final one, instead of pinning him why he went to do a submission? It seemed unnecesary, like as far as I know the babyface just wants to win the match not hurt his opponent. At Summerslam Brock didn't go out of his way to hurt Cena, he actually told him to stay down. The stf at that point seemed like overkill, shouldn't the babyface cover his fallen foe after he can't take much more? I need to watch the match, but by doing that didn't Cena came across like a bully? Like a heel almost?
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Post by Topher is Human on Sept 21, 2014 22:31:25 GMT -5
Sort of, it was the third AA that lead to the stf, which got locked in three times. Then Cena let go of the stf (which wasn't getting broken up) and hit a fourth AA. Cena then attempted a pinfall, cue Rollins...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2014 22:34:38 GMT -5
Not really. To be fair, it seemed like he was just in desperation mode. The match itself wasn't bad really so much as the way the ending made it look like "oh, John was totally on the verge of winning you guys." via commentary when really, Brock was withstanding just about everything.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 21, 2014 22:39:31 GMT -5
Sort of, it was the third AA that lead to the stf, which got locked in three times. Then Cena let go of the stf (which wasn't getting broken up) and hit a fourth AA. Cena then attempted a pinfall, cue Rollins... But if Brock wasn't getting out of that stf, why go for another AA, and the locked the stf again? It sounds really interesting psychology wise. I interpret it as if Cena was taking advantage of Brock, like going out of his way to hurt him.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 21, 2014 22:42:37 GMT -5
I interpreted it as Cena saying "yeah, this guy's not gonna stay down for the three-count. Might as well try and make him tap or pass out."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:43:38 GMT -5
Brock made it to the ropes and kept crawling toward them over and over again after Cena pulled him back twice. So he did the AA in the hopes it would keep him still long enough to tap out, but that STILL didn't work so he had to try for the pin.
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Post by SenorCrest on Sept 21, 2014 22:45:51 GMT -5
Cena should have poked Lesnar in the eye then stf.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 21, 2014 22:49:05 GMT -5
I interpreted it as Cena saying "yeah, this guy's not gonna stay down for the three-count. Might as well try and make him tap or pass out." yeah fair point, but I don't think that a babyface acts this way, I think most of the time the hero would've pinned him, if he kicks out then go for the submission.
One thing is for certain, I'm curious to see what is gonna be the direction for Cena going from here, please don't have him tell bad jokes on Raw, hell I would be happy if he changes somehow, it wouldn't have to be much of anything, just like growing some facial hair or something.
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Post by jjdash on Sept 21, 2014 23:17:36 GMT -5
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH JOHN!
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Sept 21, 2014 23:21:25 GMT -5
Honestly, the commentary did a terrible job of selling the actual story of the match. They made it sound like Lesnar was going to lose but in reality, Cena gave him three STFs and four AAs and he still couldn't get the job done, I'm sure Lesnar would have kicked out even if Rollins hadn't hit Cena with the briefcase.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 21, 2014 23:21:32 GMT -5
The 4th AA looked real weird to me. Cena landed and it looked like Brock was going to get the Kimura but didn't, then Cena looked like he was supposed to turn Brock over but didn't and they just settled on a pin that Seth broke up.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Sept 22, 2014 0:24:40 GMT -5
The build up to this match involved Cena threatening physical harm and holding hostage a 49 year old fat non-wrestler, and this is the thing that makes Cena look like a bully and a heel?
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Post by Captain & Diet on Sept 22, 2014 0:29:35 GMT -5
I think the match was booked to make Cena look strong. It was booked to get over that Cena trained and prepared for this match, scouted Brockand found a weakness. What iI didn't like is that he essentially no-sold 10 minutes worth of Kimuras. I thought that was lame. I thought the finish sucked, too.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 22, 2014 0:37:34 GMT -5
The build up to this match involved Cena threatening physical harm and holding hostage a 49 year old fat non-wrestler, and this is the thing that makes Cena look like a bully and a heel? No lol you're right I forgot to mention that, someone already did a thread about John bullying Paul and Brock rescuing his friend. What I meant to ask was if John acted like a villain in the match and most people agree that he basically wasn't, he just tried to put Brock away. I'm all for John showing human emotions once in a while, we're probably never gonna see Cena turning heel, but it's fun to speculate the way he's been booked this month. I mean in 10 years I don't think I've ever saw Cena behaving this way.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Sept 22, 2014 0:39:38 GMT -5
I haven't seen it, just read the results online and the recaps, my understanding is that John gave Brock like 4 attitude adjustments, at the final one, instead of pinning him why he went to do a submission? It seemed unnecesary, like as far as I know the babyface just wants to win the match not hurt his opponent. At Summerslam Brock didn't go out of his way to hurt Cena, he actually told him to stay down. The stf at that point seemed like overkill, shouldn't the babyface cover his fallen foe after he can't take much more? I need to watch the match, but by doing that didn't Cena came across like a bully? Like a heel almost? Watch the match. Cena didn't come across like a bully here. More like the AA were a regular move for him in this match, and he kept hitting them and Brock kept kicking out. And then with the STF, Brock kept reaching the ropes... so Cena didn't know what to do. Cue another AA, and Cena just kinda falls on him for the pin. Rollins breaking up the pin and then knocking Cena silly and curb stomping Brock was pretty awesome.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 22, 2014 0:43:06 GMT -5
Now I need to see the match, I can picture Brock going like "f*** your AA everyone knows it's just a glorified fisherman carry."
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Post by Optimax on Sept 22, 2014 1:23:11 GMT -5
The no selling of the kimurra really annoyed me above anyting else
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 22, 2014 1:27:21 GMT -5
Now I need to see the match, I can picture Brock going like "f*** your AA everyone knows it's just a glorified fisherman carry." And Brock's is a fireman's carry where they land in sort of a flapjack cutter thing. You can make any wrestling move sound mundane that way.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 22, 2014 1:29:05 GMT -5
Now I need to see the match, I can picture Brock going like "f*** your AA everyone knows it's just a glorified fisherman carry." And Brock's is a fireman's carry where they land in sort of a flapjack cutter thing. You can make any wrestling move sound mundane that way. Yeah...but but...a flapjack cutter thingy sounds more impressive than a simple fireman carry. HA!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 22, 2014 8:41:07 GMT -5
Not really. To be fair, it seemed like he was just in desperation mode. The match itself wasn't bad really so much as the way the ending made it look like "oh, John was totally on the verge of winning you guys." via commentary when really, Brock was withstanding just about everything. Yeah the story in the ring was Cena was getting offense but Brock was basically shrugging everything he did off. (The commentators did talk about this during the match with Cena needs a miracle to beat Brock and such) Then they did the ending and JBL started BUT WAS HE GOING TO TAP?! stuff... even though Lesnar was being pinned and kicked out.
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