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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jul 2, 2006 6:33:52 GMT -5
Well, lets see.....Blade was decent up until 3, but I never read the comics, so I dunno how faithful it was. I was terribly dissapointed in X-Men and Punisher (Whoever mentioned the origin-changing and Travolta was right on) , and Hulk just plain sucked (You could've dropped all those useless scenes of beakers and spinning vials in labs and given us more HULK SMASH, but no........) and I've never seen Daredevil and have no desire to, so, organic webbing and all, I gotta give it to Spidey.
EDIT: Oh, and Fantastic Four wasn't quite as terrible as everyone says. I enjoyed it for what it was.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Jul 2, 2006 6:44:31 GMT -5
I thought the spinning vials and beakers served as a nice build up to the Hulk Smash scenes. You want mindless destruction, go watch a Michael Bay movie. No chance of being forced to actually think in one of those.
Oh, and just because noone else seems to have said this yet:
Batman Begins > All Marvel Movies.
Hell,
Batman Begins > All comic book adaptations + most other movies as well.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jul 2, 2006 15:42:37 GMT -5
The point is, no one reads a Hulk book to think, nor do they want to watch a movie or play a game (such as the wonderful Hulk movie game featuring Bruce Banner stealth levels where if you turn into Hulk YOU DIE!)where the most indestructable example of brute force on the planet.....tries to make you think. Maybe you liked that, I, and most of America, didnt.
And Batman Begins was good but was lacking a truly memorable villain. Good way to restart the franchise I suppose though.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 2, 2006 15:47:13 GMT -5
I enjoyed watching Daredevil for what it was, warts and all more than Hulk yeah.. won't deny Hulk was better made, I just had more fun at Daredevil personally.
And yeah Batman Begins is probably better than all comic movies BUT it didn't catapult me back to chlidlike wonder like my first viewing of Spider-man did.. granted subsequent viewings haven't given me that sense, but still. But yeah Batman Begins is the stuff.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Jul 2, 2006 15:51:13 GMT -5
The point is, no one reads a Hulk book to think, nor do they want to watch a movie or play a game (such as the wonderful Hulk movie game featuring Bruce Banner stealth levels where if you turn into Hulk YOU DIE!)where the most indestructable example of brute force on the planet.....tries to make you think. Maybe you liked that, I, and most of America, didnt. And Batman Begins was good but was lacking a truly memorable villain. Good way to restart the franchise I suppose though. I don't believe most Hulk readers would agree with you. But America probably would. It explains Michael Bay's career. And by all means, lets never strive to be better and actually think. Long as ah's gots me some big ass CGI explosions, bah golly. Batman Begins had several memorable villains, IMO. They just weren't hyper, overacted characters in flashy colorful costumes. And thank God for that.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jul 2, 2006 15:55:01 GMT -5
I don't care for CGI. Nor do I even know who Michael Bay is or why you keep bashing him. I just love when people hate on directors/actors for being successful, just because they don't agree with their methods. Same deal with wrestling. Vince McMahon might not cater to internet marks like Gabe Jablonsky or whoever the hell runs ROH, but, take a wild guess who'll retire with more money in the end.
And you don't need "flashy hyper" villains to be memorable, but if you really think that the generic putz they threw in as Scarecrow was more memorable than Nicholson's Joker....well....thats your opinion I suppose.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Jul 2, 2006 16:05:58 GMT -5
Michael Bay is the director of such classics as "Bad Boys", "The Rock", "Armageddon", "Pearl Harbor", "Bad Boys II" and "The Island". He loads his movies with lots of big explosions and CGI, which seems to be the stuff you desire from a movie. Lots of flash and bang, with no content.
I don't hate on him for being succesful. I hate on him for being a talentless hack that grovel tpo the lowest common denominator. Movies are an art form and can be so much more than just brainless fluff. Bay makes sure we are dragged down to the lowest level.
I'm no fan of Cillian Murphy and I did think his Scarecrow was a bit overacted, but far from as overacted as Nicholson's Joker. And Neeson's Ra's Al Ghul, Wilkinson's Falcone and Boone's Flass were all great, memorable villains, relying on acting, not make up and costumes, which I'm guessing you are missing.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jul 2, 2006 16:11:58 GMT -5
Nope, I'm not missing anything, I was just bored by the no-name, B-level villains the movie presented. It's like the Goldberg/Glacier level main events Nitro used to give us.
And, hey, Bad Boys was kinda good....10 years ago. I think. Haven't seen it since then. I love how you can seemingly determine what I want to see from a movie, though. Especially since I despise 99.999999999% of action movies ever made, and only watch horror/sci-fi/fantasy/some comedy. But, you know me better than I do I guess......
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Jul 2, 2006 16:19:35 GMT -5
You stated that you just wanted HULK SMASH and no thinking. What am I to think?
No-Name, B-level villains? Ra's Al Ghul has been one of the most consistant and important Batman villains for the last 40 years! Carmine Falcone has made a huge impact since he was introduced by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale a few years back. Scarecrow has been among the top 5 Bat villains (Joker, Two-Face, Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow & Mr. Freeze) for the last 50 or so years.
They obviously wanted to use other villains than just dragging Joker out again (I am so sick of that character) and found a great, great way to tie them together.
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Post by mo on Jul 2, 2006 16:22:47 GMT -5
I thought the spinning vials and beakers served as a nice build up to the Hulk Smash scenes. You want mindless destruction, go watch a Michael Bay movie. No chance of being forced to actually think in one of those. Oh, and just because noone else seems to have said this yet: Batman Begins > All Marvel Movies. Hell, Batman Begins > All comic book adaptations + most other movies as well. I agree, I've been a Batman mark my whole life, I wanted to say something like that, but didn't think it was nessecary, so since someone else did I prefer Batman Begins over any of those
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 2, 2006 16:22:52 GMT -5
Actually Frank Miller introduced Falcone in Year One... Loeb/Sale just really expounded on him. Credit where it's due.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Jul 2, 2006 16:23:59 GMT -5
Actually Frank Miller introduced Falcone in Year One... Loeb/Sale just really expounded on him. Credit where it's due. Haven't read that in years, but I stand correted. Cool.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jul 2, 2006 16:24:14 GMT -5
They didnt need to use Joker yet, I think the way they set him up for the sequel was perfect. But I seriously have no idea who Carmine Falcone is, and I'm never intriguied by super villains who just look/act like normal people....one reason I cant stand Superman....wow Lex Luthor, some...smart...bald...guy. Awesome. I dunno if I'd rank Ra's over Catwoman, Riddler, and Penguin though. Couldn't f****** stand Jim Carrey as Riddler, for what its worth.
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Post by Alucard on Jul 2, 2006 16:24:43 GMT -5
Spidey gets the vote.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 2, 2006 16:27:49 GMT -5
That's why I enjoyed Batman begins so much, Year One is my favorite Battale ever.. and Nolan really really mined it. Check it out again n you'll see how much of the movie came from it.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on Jul 2, 2006 16:32:14 GMT -5
Penguin is such an awful character. Small fat guy who looks and acts like a small, stocky bird that can't fly. Oohhh, scary. Such a threat to bats.
And Year One suffers from having awful art. But otherwise I liked it as much as I can like Miller.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jul 2, 2006 16:33:33 GMT -5
Penguin is such an awful character. Small fat guy who looks and acts like a small, stocky bird that can't fly. Oohhh, scary. Such a threat to bats. And Year One suffers from having awful art. But otherwise I liked it as much as I can like Miller. He doesn't have to be scary when he's got a machine gun in his ****ing umbrella. I mean, yeah, he sucks, but at least he's got a gimmick.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jul 2, 2006 16:38:31 GMT -5
My opinion is not going to reflect on how close the film was to the comic, as I think that missses the point in why I enjoy the films.
I'm going with Blade (not the sequels, well 2 was alright but 3.. no)
The original Blade however was very cool (that opening sequence is hard to beat in sheer awesomeness) and was released before the real comic book film industry rush. Plus Blade is one of the lesser known characters in the marvel universe but I felt they did a really solid job with it.
The spidey films have been good, but Green Goblin was kind of a let down, but Dr. Ock was very cool.
X-Men ... There good, but not great. Fun blockbusters but there are already plenty of them around anyway.
Punisher ... I really didn't get why people said this film was awesome, sure The Punisher himself was put together on screen as a fully developed character (Kevin Nash's thug for hire role was amusing if brief) but I thought Travolta's villian was poor, and the skull explosion at the end ridiculous.
Hulk ... Well I enjoyed it, but didn't feel it captured the comic book at all. Plus most of the action scenes were far too dark.
Fantastic Four ... I really liked it, mainly as it made a change from the usual "Hi, I'm a superhero but I have a problem" story. But I can see why others wouldn't.
Daredevil ... I liked the villains even Micheal Clarke duncan as Kingpin. But I just can't take Ben Affleck seriously as an actor in anything.
so there you go ...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 2, 2006 16:42:38 GMT -5
Touche Year one's art was pretty bad.
You know a comic flick that I liked--didn't love but liked-- that hasn't been mentioned? Hellboy. That was a fun lil flick.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jul 2, 2006 16:48:19 GMT -5
Touche Year one's art was pretty bad. You know a comic flick that I liked--didn't love but liked-- that hasn't been mentioned? Hellboy. That was a fun lil flick. Agreed, cool film. Perlman was made for that role.
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