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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 21, 2014 12:05:11 GMT -5
The Royals chants were going to happen no matter who wrestled it is the most exciting thing in the world right now getting upset at people for chanting about it is just silly. Is this "World" the same World that competes in the "World Series"? Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea about it or the countless references last night and I dare say very few outside America did either.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 21, 2014 12:09:20 GMT -5
The Royals chants were going to happen no matter who wrestled it is the most exciting thing in the world right now getting upset at people for chanting about it is just silly. Is this "World" the same World that competes in the "World Series"? Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea about it or the countless references last night and I dare say very few outside America did either. There's been a resurgence of popularity for that Lorde song?
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 21, 2014 12:10:18 GMT -5
The Royals chants were going to happen no matter who wrestled it is the most exciting thing in the world right now getting upset at people for chanting about it is just silly. Is this "World" the same World that competes in the "World Series"? Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea about it or the countless references last night and I dare say very few outside America did either. I have to agree. I've heard of it because I watch American news but eh. When unable to book compelling storylines... pander.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:12:53 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say I want Brie to fail, but I do think it's very unfair that she and Nikki have gotten consistent TV time for the past six years despite the fact that they're both godawful actresses and mediocre wrestlers. Then you add in the fact that she's getting yet another push simply for being a proxy version of Daniel Bryan and it's easy to see where resentment comes from, especially while great wrestlers like Naomi and Emma sit around doing jack shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:19:49 GMT -5
Alicia Fox never got a big push. Alicia was used as a transitional champ for Melina, who was in turn used as a transitional champ for Michelle McCool. Now Michelle got apathy, but she was pushed as a face when there were more popular divas elsewhere (there were also no storylines for her to do, unlike what current divas have with Total Divas), and by the time she became good enough to not be a crowd vacuum, she was booked as a boring heel. Melina was certainly no Team XTreme-era Lita in terms of crowd reaction, but after her face turn she consistently got cheered until she got canned, even after going heel, and was from that point on definitely one of the more popular divas. Here's the thing about Kelly: she got good entrance pops, but crowds sat on their hands when she wrestled because she was that bad. Brie isn't bad. She won't kill a crowd because of her wrestling. Still, it feels so cheap. Brie's just good enough to not be derided for sucking, and has been given an eternal boon by virtue of being Bryan's wife. Right now, with the divas, the crowds are fairly fickle. Lots of the young people and girls on social media and in the crowds liked Kelly. She left. Then it became all about AJ (and a lesser extent: Kaitlyn). Now it's the Bellas, and even Eva Marie to a certain extent. The face divas that get the spotlight are the ones who this segment of the crowd likes. They'd be fine with just about anyone. Alicia got a big push. It was the lack of crowd reactions that led to McCool getting the belt. Melina was cheered but those cheers started to dry up long before she turned heel and got fired. It was mainly her doing the splits and later adding a kiss before her finisher. The crowd reacted to Kelly during and after her matches. Folks downplay it because she was a model diva instead of a "real woman wrestler". If family connections means cheers, why Nattie struggles to get reactions unless in Canada? Stephanie McMahon's heel greatness and Brie's war with her are what got people behind Brie, not who she is f***ing. Notice the cheers only got loud and consist after she went full on with her beef with Steph. Again, a big spotlight doesn't guarantee the crowd giving a damn. If so, why the crowd reacted to the Total Divas stable with apathy for over a year? About Nattie vs Brie: Are we going to pretend that being related to a Hart is anywhere near as relevant as being married to one of the most popular people in the company today? Bret's still popular but nowhere near what Bryan is right now. Merely being connected to Bryan is an immense boost, no matter what else she's doing. It is unquestionable that the storyline with Stephanie pushed her over the edge, but here's the rub: until Bryan won the title, Brie's relationship to Bryan didn't get pushed anywhere near as much as it is now. It's a fundamental part of her character, and the "Yes" chants are the most obvious illustration thereof. Alicia didn't get a big push. Alicia had no storylines to speak of, dropped the belt to Melina not long afterwards, and Melina then dropped the belt to Michelle McCool. Michelle didn't get hardly anything in the way of crowd reactions during the long time she was leading the division, but that didn't stop WWE from featuring her. The plan was most certainly to get her the belt sooner rather than later--as long as she was in WWE, she was always either hovering near the title or holding it. Melina didn't really get anything in the way of storylines after 2008, other than being Michelle McCool's favorite person to win the title from. Her popularity faded, but so did that of Mickie James, much for the same reason. Kelly, at the very least, got storylines (i.e. that one with Vickie) on a semi-regular basis, to keep her topical. Kelly could get a pop after a match, as well as before, but during, crowds got rather quiet. She wasn't good enough in the ring to seriously lead the division for any significant stretch of time. Brie is to her credit, but to me, that's kind of problematic: she's just good enough that no one will mind. Nowhere near good enough to have a truly fantastic match. Like, I'm not going to pretend that Brie hasn't gotten over, or that her getting over is in spite of her being bad, or something like that. She's just good enough to please most fans, but she's not good enough to be a great wrestler, and IMO it's not fair to people who have never gotten so many chances like she has. Naomi, for example, doesn't really get any stories outside of Total Divas and barely any TV time, but she's a much better wrestler than Brie is and has somehow managed to get somewhat over in spite of the very low glass ceiling she's being subjected to. Why I don't like Brie in her role is the same reason I didn't like Eve getting pushed above others, and why I didn't like Candice's big push in 2007. There are better people to push who were either more popular to start off or have bigger upsides. As a top-tier character in the division, she's essentially rendered obsolete by her competition. But WWE won't give those other people a fair chance.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 21, 2014 12:20:46 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say I want Brie to fail, but I do think it's very unfair that she and Nikki have gotten consistent TV time for the past six years despite the fact that they're both godawful actresses and mediocre wrestlers. Then you add in the fact that she's getting yet another push simply for being a proxy version of Daniel Bryan and it's easy to see where resentment comes from, especially while great wrestlers like Naomi and Emma sit around doing jack shit. Is it a consolation that they're doing a shit job of pushing the Bellas feud? I keep hearing that the Bellas and AJ are so loved by those in charge but apparently that's not enough to overcome the contempt WWE has for its divas division. Once Stephanie left, so did the importance of their squabble.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Oct 21, 2014 12:46:42 GMT -5
They should've started a Tomahawk chant like they do at Chiefs games. That would've confused everyone.
Then Tatanka would've came back.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 21, 2014 12:49:16 GMT -5
Alicia got a big push. It was the lack of crowd reactions that led to McCool getting the belt. Melina was cheered but those cheers started to dry up long before she turned heel and got fired. It was mainly her doing the splits and later adding a kiss before her finisher. The crowd reacted to Kelly during and after her matches. Folks downplay it because she was a model diva instead of a "real woman wrestler". If family connections means cheers, why Nattie struggles to get reactions unless in Canada? Stephanie McMahon's heel greatness and Brie's war with her are what got people behind Brie, not who she is f***ing. Notice the cheers only got loud and consist after she went full on with her beef with Steph. Again, a big spotlight doesn't guarantee the crowd giving a damn. If so, why the crowd reacted to the Total Divas stable with apathy for over a year? About Nattie vs Brie: Are we going to pretend that being related to a Hart is anywhere near as relevant as being married to one of the most popular people in the company today? Bret's still popular but nowhere near what Bryan is right now. Merely being connected to Bryan is an immense boost, no matter what else she's doing. It is unquestionable that the storyline with Stephanie pushed her over the edge, but here's the rub: until Bryan won the title, Brie's relationship to Bryan didn't get pushed anywhere near as much as it is now. It's a fundamental part of her character, and the "Yes" chants are the most obvious illustration thereof. Alicia didn't get a big push. Alicia had no storylines to speak of, dropped the belt to Melina not long afterwards, and Melina then dropped the belt to Michelle McCool. Michelle didn't get hardly anything in the way of crowd reactions during the long time she was leading the division, but that didn't stop WWE from featuring her. The plan was most certainly to get her the belt sooner rather than later--as long as she was in WWE, she was always either hovering near the title or holding it. Melina didn't really get anything in the way of storylines after 2008, other than being Michelle McCool's favorite person to win the title from. Her popularity faded, but so did that of Mickie James, much for the same reason. Kelly, at the very least, got storylines (i.e. that one with Vickie) on a semi-regular basis, to keep her topical. Kelly could get a pop after a match, as well as before, but during, crowds got rather quiet. She wasn't good enough in the ring to seriously lead the division for any significant stretch of time. Brie is to her credit, but to me, that's kind of problematic: she's just good enough that no one will mind. Nowhere near good enough to have a truly fantastic match. Like, I'm not going to pretend that Brie hasn't gotten over, or that her getting over is in spite of her being bad, or something like that. She's just good enough to please most fans, but she's not good enough to be a great wrestler, and IMO it's not fair to people who have never gotten so many chances like she has. Naomi, for example, doesn't really get any stories outside of Total Divas and barely any TV time, but she's a much better wrestler than Brie is and has somehow managed to get somewhat over in spite of the very low glass ceiling she's being subjected to. Why I don't like Brie in her role is the same reason I didn't like Eve getting pushed above others, and why I didn't like Candice's big push in 2007. There are better people to push who were either more popular to start off or have bigger upsides. As a top-tier character in the division, she's essentially rendered obsolete by her competition. But WWE won't give those other people a fair chance. Bret Hart's name still have big value. Nattie with her lineage and wrestling ability was suppose to be the big thing in the Divas division but it still hasn't panned out for her. Bryan is popular but not even his presence was enough to make the crowd care about her. Again, Steph brought out the best in her than her husband did. Alicia was going to be the face of the division until she flubbed her promos and the crowd went meh during her matches. McCool the nod and suffered the same fate. It wasn't until she paired up with Layla did the tide turn. And people were quiet for Divas matches during Kelly Kelly's heyday and still are now. Regardless of the action and personal being presented. And before someone says NXT, it exist in a much smaller bubble. Naomi did have that breakup angle with Cameron that went nowhere. I would love for her to get a bigger push, which she was looking like she was going to get before AJ Lee came back from paternity leave. WWE tried with Emma but she fell flat when the goofy dancing bombed with the bigger crowds. But only a few get the main slot at a time. Someone is going to sit on the bench until they get the call to play.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 13:51:50 GMT -5
About Nattie vs Brie: Are we going to pretend that being related to a Hart is anywhere near as relevant as being married to one of the most popular people in the company today? Bret's still popular but nowhere near what Bryan is right now. Merely being connected to Bryan is an immense boost, no matter what else she's doing. It is unquestionable that the storyline with Stephanie pushed her over the edge, but here's the rub: until Bryan won the title, Brie's relationship to Bryan didn't get pushed anywhere near as much as it is now. It's a fundamental part of her character, and the "Yes" chants are the most obvious illustration thereof. Alicia didn't get a big push. Alicia had no storylines to speak of, dropped the belt to Melina not long afterwards, and Melina then dropped the belt to Michelle McCool. Michelle didn't get hardly anything in the way of crowd reactions during the long time she was leading the division, but that didn't stop WWE from featuring her. The plan was most certainly to get her the belt sooner rather than later--as long as she was in WWE, she was always either hovering near the title or holding it. Melina didn't really get anything in the way of storylines after 2008, other than being Michelle McCool's favorite person to win the title from. Her popularity faded, but so did that of Mickie James, much for the same reason. Kelly, at the very least, got storylines (i.e. that one with Vickie) on a semi-regular basis, to keep her topical. Kelly could get a pop after a match, as well as before, but during, crowds got rather quiet. She wasn't good enough in the ring to seriously lead the division for any significant stretch of time. Brie is to her credit, but to me, that's kind of problematic: she's just good enough that no one will mind. Nowhere near good enough to have a truly fantastic match. Like, I'm not going to pretend that Brie hasn't gotten over, or that her getting over is in spite of her being bad, or something like that. She's just good enough to please most fans, but she's not good enough to be a great wrestler, and IMO it's not fair to people who have never gotten so many chances like she has. Naomi, for example, doesn't really get any stories outside of Total Divas and barely any TV time, but she's a much better wrestler than Brie is and has somehow managed to get somewhat over in spite of the very low glass ceiling she's being subjected to. Why I don't like Brie in her role is the same reason I didn't like Eve getting pushed above others, and why I didn't like Candice's big push in 2007. There are better people to push who were either more popular to start off or have bigger upsides. As a top-tier character in the division, she's essentially rendered obsolete by her competition. But WWE won't give those other people a fair chance. Bret Hart's name still have big value. Nattie with her lineage and wrestling ability was suppose to be the big thing in the Divas division but it still hasn't panned out for her. Bryan is popular but not even his presence was enough to make the crowd care about her. Again, Steph brought out the best in her than her husband did. Alicia was going to be the face of the division until she flubbed her promos and the crowd went meh during her matches. McCool the nod and suffered the same fate. It wasn't until she paired up with Layla did the tide turn. And people were quiet for Divas matches during Kelly Kelly's heyday and still are now. Regardless of the action and personal being presented. And before someone says NXT, it exist in a much smaller bubble. Naomi did have that breakup angle with Cameron that went nowhere. I would love for her to get a bigger push, which she was looking like she was going to get before AJ Lee came back from paternity leave. WWE tried with Emma but she fell flat when the goofy dancing bombed with the bigger crowds. But only a few get the main slot at a time. Someone is going to sit on the bench until they get the call to play. Nattie was going places before they had Eve beat her for the divas' belt. She had, to a certain extent, gotten over, and people were actually kind of into her matches. The Bret Hart thing did work for a while, but nowadays it's all she has because they never seem to want to give her a decent shot at it. It's a shame, because Nattie is extremely impressive in-ring when she's feeling motivated.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Oct 21, 2014 13:57:15 GMT -5
The spirit of Daniel Bryan is still the most over thing on RAW.
He could be beamed on RAW via Tupac hologram or appear in backstage promos like Obi-Wan in Return of the Jedi and the fans would be stoked to see him.
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Post by trollrogue on Oct 23, 2014 12:10:36 GMT -5
Brie has won the championship a grand total of one (1) times. Saying that she's being pushed more than, say, Paige (already a 2-time winner and has only been on WWE tv for months) is laughable. Brie, Nikki, Alicia, and other one-time Divas champs have all been given an equal shot, and with Total Divas often times women will be given extra matches on RAW/SD!/ppv cards because of current reality-tv storylines. More matches = more money for these Divas (and TJ).
I honestly like this system much better than the previous Attitude Era where the entire Division is built around the Playboy Model of that year (Kelly Kelly, or Torrie WIlson, or Sable, etc.)
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Oct 23, 2014 15:32:19 GMT -5
The Royals chants were going to happen no matter who wrestled it is the most exciting thing in the world right now getting upset at people for chanting about it is just silly. Is this "World" the same World that competes in the "World Series"? The US and a single Canad ia n city, Yeah.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 24, 2014 0:36:59 GMT -5
The funny thing is she did take time off earlier this year Yeah she took time off to raise her 47 children Those children are old enough to take care of themselves. They're like 35. I used this joke once already.
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