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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 1:23:36 GMT -5
I think there's got to be something else to it other than laziness. I wonder if they're trying to limit how many fresh matchups they give away, so they're fresh for the future. Not a sound strategy, because they make fresh matchups into matches people dread in record time, and no one ends up getting over because the reaction is "DAMMIT JUST END THIS."
It can't just be laziness though, can it? There's really not much effort involved with not repeating the same match every week.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 22, 2014 1:26:29 GMT -5
I feel like it's a combination of laziness, being complacent with the few "names" they have, and being afraid that inserting anyone else outside of the inner circle in any meaningful manner will tank the ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 1:29:38 GMT -5
It's laziness. The writers probably got chewed out over suggesting something new one week so they just keep regurgitating the same show every week and Vince is too senile to notice.
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Post by jimmyjames on Oct 22, 2014 2:45:38 GMT -5
No grand master plan. Just pure laziness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 2:57:02 GMT -5
I was just thinking about this. I think it's half laziness and half them wanting guys to work with people they feel comfortable with every week.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 22, 2014 3:13:45 GMT -5
I feel like it's a combination of laziness, being complacent with the few "names" they have, and being afraid that inserting anyone else outside of the inner circle in any meaningful manner will tank the ratings. I think this is it really. WWE thinks they have a really shallow talent pool when they really don't, they just are terrible at using it.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 22, 2014 3:16:26 GMT -5
When HHH was their lead star and ratings nosedived over a long period their response was to increase his on-screen TV time to near omnipresent and essentially repeat what wasn't working over and over again.
...I'm sure the fact HHH now has official say in the booking has nothing to do with this and it's a complete coincidence...
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Oct 22, 2014 3:30:29 GMT -5
The talent pool is just terrible right now.
We have like two maybe three guys we can say are the main-event, then twenty midcarders, then a few tag teams. How many fresh matches can you get out of that?
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Post by Boo! on Oct 22, 2014 3:43:45 GMT -5
The talent pool is just terrible right now. We have like two maybe three guys we can say are the main-event, then twenty midcarders, then a few tag teams. How many fresh matches can you get out of that? You're half right. The talent pool is potentially amazing but they only have two or three guys anyone cares about because of the way they're booked. Top guys, guys you're looking to fall back on in case of injury, guys you want to be over enough to draw a house on the live event circuit - are guys they're supposed to protect. Instead everyone but Cena loses clean almost every other week. There's no attempt to make anyone matter and as a result, they don't. I'm sure it's because they're obsessed with being "sports entertainment" and not wrestling so steadfastly refuse to believe that any of the age-old wrestling adages apply such as 'don't make everyone on the roster look like a jerk and then be surprised when nobody gives a rats-ass about them'. But because that's probably 'wrestling' logic they not only ignore it they deliberately piss on it. Wrestling logic says we make the IC champ strong, but this isn't wrestling, this is sports entertainment! So instead what we'll do is have him go out there and lose every week. That'll learn those 'rasslin' folk.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 22, 2014 3:49:39 GMT -5
It's not even the repetition that's the biggest problem so much as the fact there's just no stakes in any of these matches.
In the last couple of weeks Ziggler's lost to Cesaro, Orton, Rusev, and probably others, yet none of them is considered a contender for his title. None of them has cared to push the point they've beaten a champion. Winning and losing just doesn't matter. Hell, Cena and Orton are wrestling for a title shot despite the fact the match with Orton was the second place prize leading up to the big show. It makes no sense any way you look at it.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 22, 2014 4:02:06 GMT -5
It's not even repetition but also the fact that WWE hasn't really been aiming to have awesome matches unless it's PPV. The matches are often paint-by-numbers with few exceptions and it's been that way for months now which make the shows even harder to watch.
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Post by sonofblaine on Oct 22, 2014 4:04:51 GMT -5
Strategy?
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Post by 4real on Oct 22, 2014 4:50:07 GMT -5
That's why I was happy last week when we got Cena & Ambrose v Uso's v Gold/Stardust, at least it was something a little different and was cool to see Cena interacting with those guys.
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Post by Flash Burton on Oct 22, 2014 5:15:37 GMT -5
The talent pool is just terrible right now. We have like two maybe three guys we can say are the main-event, then twenty midcarders, then a few tag teams. How many fresh matches can you get out of that? It's this for me, they have, what is it? 7 hours a week of TV plus a 3 hour monthly PPV to fill with a very thin roster I don't watch the current product much anymore so I don't really feel qualified to comment on here but I will anyway RAW's 3 hours with 5-6 matches including a Divas match with 20 minute periods of filler then that's repeated later that week in the form of Smackdown The format of NXT which we see in the UK is a weekly hour long show, 4 matches with hardly any guff, so I chose to watch that each week hands down Thinking back to periods where I did make the effort to tune into the main product more often, there were more wrestlers I wanted to watch, the roster was deeper & the characters more interesting & there was less of it to watch each week
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 22, 2014 5:34:12 GMT -5
Just make the feuds interesting. The issue is not the limited roster, it's that WWE doesn't give any of its workers a story.
For all the whining about WWE being 'entertainment', they sure as hell won't hesitate to throw out what feel like 20 minute matches with no rhyme or reason.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 22, 2014 6:22:12 GMT -5
It hits me when they promote the European tour. The April tour ends and almost immediately they start advertising the one in November with essentially the same matches you're watching on TV at the time. Sure enough six months later nothing has changed unless somebody is injured or has left, even then the storyline is essentially the same.
I guess WWE is now too big to change things quickly depending on crowd reactions, they won't change plans to go with somebody that is unexpectedly getting over. They have too many stakeholders to please, shareholders want steady growth not creative risks, tickets need to be sold months in advance, Mattel and 2K Sports (?) don't want their products to be out of date before they're even released etc.
tl;dr - WWE need to book things in safe six month blocks to please their stakeholders.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 22, 2014 6:28:34 GMT -5
Laziness, incompetence and the fact they've made wrestlers look worthless. Take Big E he's gone from IC contender to jobber. Ditto Swagger. Make guys look worthless and WWE will be left with just the same names feuding.
Or take the tag division which has 4 teams, one of which sucks. Great idea splitting PTP Vince.
They have no idea how to.book midcarders without eventually making them look weak.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 22, 2014 6:30:06 GMT -5
The talent pool is just terrible right now. I couldn't agree less, I think the roster is one of the strongest they've had in over a decade. How they're being used and positioned? That I can agree with.
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Post by The Sam on Oct 22, 2014 6:33:47 GMT -5
Their plan is basically "We're not changing anything! Those idiots will watch what we tell them to watch! What are they going to do, change the channel to Nitro? HA HA HA HA!!!"
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Oct 22, 2014 6:47:36 GMT -5
it's sad. I can't ever think of a time where WWE had a better roster top to bottom, but I can't remember the product ever feeling more stale/complacent.
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