saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Nov 2, 2014 22:16:44 GMT -5
Is it about time to bring it back?
I think Sheamus was the last to win it and that's a few years ago.
I'll admit I'm a sucker for a tournament so I'd love to see another KotR. Maybe some beat the clock qualifiers to build interest (and maybe also to 'seed' wrestlers or set matches -- fastest elimination vs. slowest, etc.
So my two questions:
1) Do you think it's a good time to do it again?
2) Who would you like to see win it if they did?
I think King Rusev has a nice ring to it, and Lana could have some fun intro/promos if he won it.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 2, 2014 22:43:36 GMT -5
Yes, I would love to see it happen again. I'd give the accolade to Ziggler, Reigns, Barrett, Cesaro, or Rollins.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Nov 2, 2014 23:07:29 GMT -5
Is it about time to bring it back? I think Sheamus was the last to win it and that's a few years ago. I'll admit I'm a sucker for a tournament so I'd love to see another KotR. Maybe some beat the clock qualifiers to build interest (and maybe also to 'seed' wrestlers or set matches -- fastest elimination vs. slowest, etc. So my two questions: 1) Do you think it's a good time to do it again? 2) Who would you like to see win it if they did? I think King Rusev has a nice ring to it, and Lana could have some fun intro/promos if he won it. 1. It's ALWAYS a good time to bring back KotR. I'd personally put it in place of one of the non-themed, "Off-month" PPVs and treat it like the Rumble for SummerSlam's WrestleMania. Have the winner get a Main Event shot at SS. The WWE is always TRYING to do a "Big Summer Angle" but it always goes bad because either (A) It's same old, same old or the fans crap on it. By doing a REAL build starting with KotR you could finally try to build a "New" uppercard. 2. 8 Man Tourney (On PPV): Ambrose, Barrett, Ziggler, Rusev, Cesaro, Mizdow (Beating Miz to qualify), Luke Harper (In a Singles Push), and a Debuting Sami Zayn. First round: Barrett/Mizdow, Ziggler/Zayn, Harper/Rusev, Ambrose/Cesaro. Second Round: Harper/Ambrose Zayn/Barrett (Full Disclosure: I almost put Harper vs Zayn becaue I want to see that in WWE......but I also don't want Harper/Ambrose in the Finals) Finals: Ambrose/Barrett Ambrose wins the whole thing, cementing him as a Main Eventer. (I neglected to put in Reigns because I think either (A) They'll push him too hard too fast after his return and he'll flounder or (B) Still overpushed but be in the title picture proper without the need for KotR.)
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Post by Boo! on Nov 2, 2014 23:12:32 GMT -5
No crappy gimmick with a crown though.
Make it for the IC title. Build up the IC title as something that represents the pinnacle of in-ring craft. As it used to, make it symbolise the best 'wrestler' in the company, the most technically gifted, the superior. The World title is the World title but the IC title should be the 'insiders' champ, the locker room knows who wears that can go with anyone - the IC champ truly is the King of the Ring.
...and have some upper midcard guys with a few main eventers thrown in to give it credibility.
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 2, 2014 23:13:02 GMT -5
I'm a sucker for tournaments and now with the Network struggling I saw bring it back in May or June. Push the winner to get a tital shot at Summerslam or something.
Apparently the KOTR never drew that well and Dunn hates tournaments so I doubt it's coming back.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Nov 2, 2014 23:14:24 GMT -5
Give it to Bo!
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Post by Boo! on Nov 2, 2014 23:15:58 GMT -5
Bo? No! So no go, fo sho.
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Post by Topher is Human on Nov 2, 2014 23:23:13 GMT -5
Yes, I would love to see it happen again. I'd give the accolade to Ziggler. I believe Rusev already did that...
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Nov 3, 2014 3:44:27 GMT -5
Even if not on PPV
I think 1 Raw a year should be a King of the Ring Tournament.
I liked the Idea of the winner getting a Title shot at Summerlam, Shame they scrapped it straight after.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Nov 3, 2014 3:49:11 GMT -5
Yes as long as the winner doesn't get a king gimmick and is not called king from there after.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 4:24:01 GMT -5
I've never really gotten the point of it unless there's a title shot on the line. I'd be game for it just for the change of pace, but the king gimmick is awful and I could live with never seeing it again, so unless it's for a title shot at SummerSlam or something (unlikely, given these days it seems like only about four people are considered good enough to ever get anywhere near the title and none of them would benefit at all from it) I wouldn't bother.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 5:37:00 GMT -5
Sure, as long as it's not like they did when Sheamus did it. Make it matter. Don't just add King to his name and start dressing him in the Amber armor from shivering isles.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 3, 2014 7:14:13 GMT -5
He could bring his Dad back and start using his royal powers to charge taxes and hand out fines. Just by using real current and historical examples there's: Beard tax leading to Harpers return. TV tax for those shown watching their rival backstage. Jock tax, mostly targeting Swagger. Hat tax. Then he could add things like a table tax which would lead to a table match at TLC.
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Post by Essential1 on Nov 3, 2014 7:23:21 GMT -5
What would be a good idea is to removed the MITB PPV and return the MITB match to Wrestlemania and the stick KOTR in it's place. That ladder match was always a fun exciting opener on Wrestlemania and the Mania crowd made it even more of a fun match. KOTR would be good if they guarantee the winner a World Title shot at the next PPV or Summerslam.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Nov 3, 2014 10:33:53 GMT -5
I used to be a huge proponent of bringing it back but looking back, who did it ever really help?
1985: Don Muraco - After he won, he stayed pretty much where he was already. An upper level heel for the Hulkster to run through.
1986: Harley Race - He's Harley f***ing Race in '86! If anything, giving him KotR hurt him.
1987: Randy Savage - Already well on his way to main eventing Mania IV.
1988: Ted DiBiase - He'd already main evented Mania by this point and would spend the next five years winding down his in ring career and not winning singles titles.
1989: Tito Santana - Did you know Tito was KotR? Me neither.
1991: Bret Hart - Actually benefitted from the win and would go from IC title staple to WWF champion within the year.
1993: Bret Hart - This was the first televised event and they gave it to a former WWF Champion that main evented Wrestlemania IX that very same year. Bret gave more of a rub to the King of the Ring title than it did him at his point.
1994: Owen Hart - He really made the King of Harts stuff work but the push that came after his win had more to do with the fact that he was already feuding with his brother and WWF Champion Bret Hart than being King of the Ring. As you'll notice, as soon as Bret moved on to other challenegers, Owen's main event run ended.
1995: Mabel - Haha, seriously?
1996: Steve Austin - Yes, he benefitted from it. He got to show off his toughness for the fans that were watching (Dude had to get stitches during the show and kept rolling) and cut a pretty awesome promo that made a big impression of the Stone Cold character on the fans but let's be honest, it was a full year before the "Austin as a main eventer" train really got rolling. He did get a rub from it though.
1997: Triple H - Winning King of the Ring was a logical step in the push he was already starting to get. Changing his character and joining DX did more for him than being King did.
1998: Ken Shamrock - Feuded with Owen Hart after winning, I don't think he ever even got a title shot.
1999: Billy Gunn - In 2000, the joke was that Kane and Billy Gunn were the only two people that could have a bad match with Chris Benoit. Well in 1999, Billy Gunn was having not awesome matches with everyone and coming out the loser (by a long shot) in a short feud with the Rock before a New Age Outlaws reunion buried his chances of being a main eventer.
2000: Kurt Angle - f*** yes he benefitted from it and don't you forget it. Sure he was already in the midst of a push at the time but winning King of the Ring planted him in the main event of Summerslam 2000 before he won the title at No Mercy. Winning King of the Ring put Kurt Angle in a position to win his first big one.
2001: Edge - Started getting over as a face singles guy after E&C split following Edge's win but, for some reason, reverted to tag team work on Smackdown in 2002. Injuries plagued him for a few years before his big push started in 2004. Didn't really do much for him.
2002: Brock Lesnar - King of the Ring in 2002 was basically an excuse to hand Brock Lesnar a title shot. He was a believable winner at the time and, like Angle, used what he won from King of the Ring to cement his main event spot.
2006: Booker T - I love King Booker and he won his first World Title in WWE with the title shot he won for being King. He benefitted.
2008: William Regal - He should have been a major success as King but a Wellness violation prevented that from happening. Obviously big things were gonna happen for Mr. Regal.
2010: Sheamus - He was a flop. A goddamn flop. This was so bad that he was less over after winning King of the Ring than before. How does that even happen?
So out of all the winners, less than half really benefitted from winning. If it was booked well, sure, bring it back but if it's just gonna be a Billy Gunn or Sheamus year, f*** off, we don't need it.
Note: I included pre-PPV winners since it was still supposed to be a solid barometer of what your push was going to be for the next year.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 3, 2014 10:37:26 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be for a cape and crown. Either my idea of the IC title being on the line or a new upper-midcard belt with 'King of the Ring' on it. The moniker could be another championship quite easily really.
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Post by phen0m2112 on Nov 3, 2014 10:38:53 GMT -5
IMO Ryback is a perfect fit for this kind of push, if done right (I know, I know, wishful thinking.).
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Nov 3, 2014 10:40:42 GMT -5
2001: Edge - Started getting over as a face singles guy after E&C split following Edge's win but, for some reason, reverted to tag team work on Smackdown in 2002. Injuries plagued him for a few years before his big push started in 2004. Didn't really do much for him. Edge was heading for the main event in late 2002 when he broke his neck. He was written out in early 2003 and wasn't 100% when he came back at Raw Draft day 2004. If he hadn't gotten hurt he'd have a few mote title runs to his name. MitB seems to be the new KoR, since the last 3 KOR champs decide to change their gimmick (King Booker was obnoxiously awesome; King Regal had potential, King Sheamus was cool but didn't really add anything).
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Post by mizerable on Nov 3, 2014 10:43:28 GMT -5
Absolutely.
Move get rid of HIAC and put MITB in it's place. MITB's old slot is given back to King of the Ring.
I'll never understand why KOTR isn't properly used. Using baseball logic, you get that one person who is on a hot streak, and is given an opportunity at a title shot at Summerslam. Perhaps it's a guy who wouldn't normally get a title shot, but here's a guy who has proven himself in a series of matches over the course of a tournament. It's far better than a battle royale where you can be screwed by a lousy entry or an unpredictable ladder match.
There's absolutely no reason why with KOTR, the Rumble and MITB, you can't shake up the title scene on a consistent yearly basis, instead of constantly going back to the well with the same shit all the time.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Nov 3, 2014 10:52:36 GMT -5
2001: Edge - Started getting over as a face singles guy after E&C split following Edge's win but, for some reason, reverted to tag team work on Smackdown in 2002. Injuries plagued him for a few years before his big push started in 2004. Didn't really do much for him. Edge was heading for the main event in late 2002 when he broke his neck. He was written out in early 2003 and wasn't 100% when he came back at Raw Draft day 2004. If he hadn't gotten hurt he'd have a few mote title runs to his name. Kind of but not really. You could tell they wanted Edge at that level but he and Benoit (who was getting the same push) didn't fit at time because it was all about Angle and Lesnar. Just look at how 2003 was booked for Smackdown main events on PPV. Benoit got a shot at Angle at the Rumble, there was a six man at No Way Out, Lesnar/Angle at Mania, Lesnar/Cena at Backlash, Lesnar/Show at Judgment Day, then every Smackdown PPV for the rest of the year centered on Angle vs Lesnar in some way. The case could be made that Edge could have filled a random title shot somewhere but he was a red hot face when he went down with injury and Lesnar spent half the year the same so putting them together prior to Royal Rumble 2004 is a disaster in terms of reaction and/or forces the Angle feud to be shorter. And let's not forget, when Edge did return in 2004 he was pushed as a mid-card face until the crowds turned on him and basically forced a shift towards being the Rated R Superstar. I think a lot of Edge's push had to do with his natural ability and by the time he was a main eventer, most had forgotten he had won KotR. It had even been deemphasised by late 2002.
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