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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 16:04:05 GMT -5
I always had found fascinating the amount of networks that the united states has. I know that that the united states has a lot of people, but still, the fact that there you had like 500 networks is amusing and at the same time a bit pathetic with how lots of those networks look like bush league channels. But well, diversity and options for everyone is cool I guess, but I will found nauseating watching all those reality shows So many shitty networks that pretty much only show reruns and crappy programming, I mean it's mainly dead air yet it's hard to get any wrestling on them. That's because most reruns and trashy shows still get better advertisers than wrestling does. It really historically just does not make very much money for the network regardless of how many viewers there are.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Nov 20, 2014 17:29:08 GMT -5
good luck to them. Great to see that they are moving to somewhere that might actually promote them.
For a board of wrestling fans it's pretty sad to see so many people baying for the death any wrestling company, even if it has been less than a great show for a long time. Negativity breeds negativity, they have always seemed to just be on the cusp of something only for it not to work out.
things they have done in order to make a statement have backfired - sure signing Hogan for a load of money at the expense of others may have turned out to be a bad move in the end, but Hogan was still hogan when they signed him. He was and still is the babe ruth of wrestling and if anything he screwed them over massively by never promoting TNA.
The new monday night war was an incredibly ballsy move, they had nowhere near the star power that wcw did back in the day and they gave us all what we had been dreaming about for years - yes they booked it incredibly poorly, bizarrely so, so you could argue that they deserved to fail, but you have to appreciate that they gave it a shot.
You could say that they treated guys like Aj and sorenson like crap, you would be right, but just because they did that, is it right that you wish death on them? The fact is that anyone that loves pro wrestling understands that the more territories there are, the better it is for the sport. The more places to learn, perform and make any sort of money, the better and this attitude of "just hurry up and die already TNA" honestly baffles me.
Yes, the product has its issues and yes lol TNA but at the same time, they have some awesome hands working for them, its just that those hands suffer from a mixture of poor and unlucky management decisions. So is it right to wish these guys out of a job because their bosses, despite trying loads of things, just can't get it right? Is it right to ridicule the people who enjoy the TNA product, and support the workers there that have a lot of talent. EC3 was a FAN fav on here, even tweeted about us but yeah, he's in TNA now and I want his place of work to go under....
I am far from a TNA superfan, watched it on and off over the years, haven't watched it at all in a good few months. It has it's problems, if it was better I would watch it, but I am certainly glad that it still has the chance to be on TV and has the opportunity to get better so that I might possibly have more good wrestling to watch in the future.
Anyway, lecture over, good luck to them and I hope that this is finally the change of fortunes that they have been looking for.Being the lead show on a channel will do it no harm as in my opinion the single biggest thing holding them back over the past few years has been advertising and getting their name out there.
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Post by chrom on Nov 20, 2014 17:41:09 GMT -5
Absolutely true. That's why I said they need to prove it. From the sounds of it at least temporarily, Dixie has put different people in charge of things for now. They have to hold true and follow through, but I completely get any and all skepticism. TNA doesn't deserve trust for a lot of obvious reasons. Just based on everything I'm hearing I'm curious to see if they follow through. Doesn't matter who Dixie puts in charge when she is the main source of the problems. Of course, the moment she stuck her fingers in it things went downhill. Remember due to being a big fan of Survivor she gave Jenna Morsaca half a million dollars to have THAT match? And Gaburick is her lackey and stooge who says what she wants to her and only real use is if you need your boots cleaned. He's learned from the best in how to be a yes man.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 20, 2014 20:28:02 GMT -5
So, to reiterate, TNA took a deal that was best for their owner's ego instead of what might have been best for the business and what would be best for the bottom line. Congrats, you're the biggest fish in an empty pond. What would be best for the bottom line? What would you have done? Try to keep in Spike's good graces, and deliver them a product people want to see. Not rip off what WWE is doing, storylines and all. Fix the gap between AJ and try to get him back on the show. Focus on the guys who got you there, AJ, Joe, Aries. Build new talent and make them feel important without forcing them down peoples' throats. Reinvigorate the X Division and Knockouts division. This shit is not as hard as everyone makes it out to be. If Dixie was willing to waste so much money to get to almost zero, why not get something out of it.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 20, 2014 21:17:27 GMT -5
the saddest part is Destination America thought they were getting All Wheels Wrestling
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Post by benstudd on Nov 20, 2014 22:57:13 GMT -5
So many shitty networks that pretty much only show reruns and crappy programming, I mean it's mainly dead air yet it's hard to get any wrestling on them. That's because most reruns and trashy shows still get better advertisers than wrestling does. It really historically just does not make very much money for the network regardless of how many viewers there are. And that's weird that advertisers are acting this way towards wrestling, I mean there's a proof that there's more trashy out there than wrestling. And with wrestling you get young men demo that seems to be a key demo in even the biggest networks. I mean it is sort of sport too and sport is huge all over. They are sort of super-heroes and capes are all the rages now, GOTG almost got as good numbers as Avengers. Plus wrestling has been on TV for decades, it's part of Americana. That advertisers don't want to be part of it doesn't make sense to me. I don't get why they are acting this way.
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Post by wwotbh on Nov 21, 2014 0:21:44 GMT -5
It's not really just unsubstantiated opinion of pro wrestling that keeps the more lucrative advertising clientele away. Studies have shown that pro wrestling fans are less educated and have lesser incomes than viewers of similar fare. Contrary to other opinions on the matter, this is the most likely reason WWE have been aggressively attempting to shift their demographics in the modern era.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 21, 2014 0:28:22 GMT -5
What would be best for the bottom line? What would you have done? Try to keep in Spike's good graces, and deliver them a product people want to see. Not rip off what WWE is doing, storylines and all. Fix the gap between AJ and try to get him back on the show. Focus on the guys who got you there, AJ, Joe, Aries. Build new talent and make them feel important without forcing them down peoples' throats. Reinvigorate the X Division and Knockouts division. This shit is not as hard as everyone makes it out to be. If Dixie was willing to waste so much money to get to almost zero, why not get something out of it. AJ is gone because they could no longer afford to pay the amount that a talent of his caliber deserved. Blame that on Janice, and no I don't mean Abyss' bat.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 21, 2014 0:49:38 GMT -5
So many shitty networks that pretty much only show reruns and crappy programming, I mean it's mainly dead air yet it's hard to get any wrestling on them. That's because most reruns and trashy shows still get better advertisers than wrestling does. It really historically just does not make very much money for the network regardless of how many viewers there are. However, being fair there- this could be a place where the Destination America poor roster could actually help TNA. Reruns and crappy programming get more time for dead air less because of getting better advertisers (though it's a benefit), but more specifically because of how cheap it is. Once a rerun of an original show is in the can, you own it, you've already paid for it, and every other time it's rerun is completely free for the network, making all the advertising money essentially getting free money (and even if no one will advertise on it, throw some PSAs on and write off the ad fees in taxes.) Pro wrestling, on the other hand, is sports entertainment. You couldn't do that with pro wrestling, since traditionally you had great ratings...but it's also for a sporting event, making the show expensive to produce with no benefits outside those two hours a week of great ratings. You have to pay to put on more wrestling events/tapings each week, and once it's in the can, wrestling is a rerun-proof TV show that won't give you those all-profitable rerun advertising... ...OR IS IT? The WWE Network may have changed the terrain for the new Impact contract, simply because now, there's conclusive proof that pro wrestling may not be as rerun-proof as it's traditionally seemed. Even if the WWE Network's a smaller level, there is actual proof that pro wrestling fans will absolutely watch reruns of professional wrestling, which means that [especially on a small network like Destination America] there is the possibility of rerunning Impact and getting multiple bites at the advertising apple. That alone could potentially give TNA more ad money from those, and more chances to see multiple shows as proof.
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 21, 2014 0:57:30 GMT -5
That's because most reruns and trashy shows still get better advertisers than wrestling does. It really historically just does not make very much money for the network regardless of how many viewers there are. And that's weird that advertisers are acting this way towards wrestling, I mean there's a proof that there's more trashy out there than wrestling. And with wrestling you get young men demo that seems to be a key demo in even the biggest networks. I mean it is sort of sport too and sport is huge all over. They are sort of super-heroes and capes are all the rages now, GOTG almost got as good numbers as Avengers. Plus wrestling has been on TV for decades, it's part of Americana. That advertisers don't want to be part of it doesn't make sense to me. I don't get why they are acting this way. It really is quite sad to realize that the sport that has been such a huge part of my life and many others here is looked upon to be such trash to the television world. I mean, we all know just how much shit is on TV these days that gets huge mainstream ratings and attention, and yet pro wrestling shows are looked upon to be so low brow that advertising companies think it's not worth spending their money on their shows and networks don't want them on their programming. Imagine that! All the stupid brain-dead "reality" television shows out there, and yet that is more desirable then pro wrestling. No wonder the WWE has been pushing their new corporate image down our throats for the past couple of years. They are trying their best to fix that image, despite all the dumb segments they've presented to us that pass as comedy, or maybe worse, drama. It's so bad that they are afraid of losing sponsors so they won't take chances or risks anymore. The product has been the same for almost a decade now, when in the past it'll evolve every 4-5 years, sometimes not by choice. And yet, I've never met anybody who looked down on me for loving wrestling so much, male or female.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 9:20:43 GMT -5
Try to keep in Spike's good graces, and deliver them a product people want to see. Not rip off what WWE is doing, storylines and all. Fix the gap between AJ and try to get him back on the show. Focus on the guys who got you there, AJ, Joe, Aries. Build new talent and make them feel important without forcing them down peoples' throats. Reinvigorate the X Division and Knockouts division. This shit is not as hard as everyone makes it out to be. If Dixie was willing to waste so much money to get to almost zero, why not get something out of it. AJ is gone because they could no longer afford to pay the amount that a talent of his caliber deserved. Blame that on Janice, and no I don't mean Abyss' bat. Actually you can blame TNA for AJ being gone. If they didn't overpay Hogan, took the show on the road without a backup plan in case it was not successful orhaving the funds to make it worth the risk, and tried to rewrite existing talent contracts to underpay folks; Styles would still be there. Dude didn't want to leave but had to when they wanted him to sacrifice his body for even less money than before. Janice only took over when the money bleeding was starting to filter in Panda Energy's regular budget.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 9:22:05 GMT -5
the saddest part is Destination America thought they were getting All Wheels Wrestling They will give Gunner a NASCAR driver gimmick to appease them.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 21, 2014 10:45:04 GMT -5
the saddest part is Destination America thought they were getting All Wheels Wrestling They will give Gunner a NASCAR driver gimmick to appease them. Time to rehire Daivari!
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 11:06:53 GMT -5
They will give Gunner a NASCAR driver gimmick to appease them. Time to rehire Daivari! Not before GFW hires him. TNA will follow the great Southern tradition of getting some burly, bald white dudes and making them into the evil foreigners with terrible accents.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:11:52 GMT -5
I would have preferred TNA not getting a deal at all.
I know most people don't like the negative comments on the deal, but I hate it when people reward stupidity, and while TNA has had great ideas, they have bungled every opportunity to take the next step.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 21, 2014 14:59:52 GMT -5
AJ is gone because they could no longer afford to pay the amount that a talent of his caliber deserved. Blame that on Janice, and no I don't mean Abyss' bat. Actually you can blame TNA for AJ being gone. If they didn't overpay Hogan, took the show on the road without a backup plan in case it was not successful orhaving the funds to make it worth the risk, and tried to rewrite existing talent contracts to underpay folks; Styles would still be there. Dude didn't want to leave but had to when they wanted him to sacrifice his body for even less money than before. Janice only took over when the money bleeding was starting to filter in Panda Energy's regular budget. Yeah AJ said that the 40% decrease that was reported was being generous, he said it was closer to 70%. At the same time, he said that he didn't blame Dixie at all and that she was the only reason TNA even tried to negotiate with him.
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Post by chrom on Nov 21, 2014 15:38:25 GMT -5
A Producer in TNA earlier today has promised that everything in TNA in 2015 will be brand new.
Translation: For the first show and a half and then back to the SOS we've been getting.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Nov 21, 2014 15:39:45 GMT -5
I have a pretty decent Directv package and I don't have this channel. Any predictions of what the ratings will be for the debut episode? I am guessing a 0.4
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 15:46:40 GMT -5
I have a pretty decent Directv package and I don't have this channel. Any predictions of what the ratings will be for the debut episode? I am guessing a 0.4 If they get a 0.2, it would be a miracle. I'm sensing they'll get the ratings in the same ballpark as Lucha Underground.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 15:48:29 GMT -5
A Producer in TNA earlier today has promised that everything in TNA in 2015 will be brand new. Translation: For the first show and a half and then back to the SOS we've been getting. What they mean is that TNA sold the old sets for cash and the new set will be stuff they found the dumpster behind Party City.
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