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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 24, 2014 10:41:40 GMT -5
www.inquisitr.com/1628025/tna-news-tna-wrestling-expected-to-go-through-major-overhaul-in-2015/Fairly new article about the TV deal, a lot of repeating but just a few tidbits. Destination America Executives have been meeting with TNA executives to discuss ways to integrate TNA into their programming and about potential rebranding. WGN thought they had a deal in place with TNA but TNA felt they couldn't afford to be off the air until the 2nd quarter of 2015. TNA will reportedly tape shows for January in December somewhere in the midwest. DA will air One Night Only Events on their channel, occasionally with live specials. As of right now TNA is expecting to do a hard reboot with both talent and creative.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Nov 24, 2014 12:31:47 GMT -5
The reboot could good or bad. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If they do a reboot, then they need to learn from their past mistakes.
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Post by chrom on Nov 24, 2014 15:44:53 GMT -5
The reboot could good or bad. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If they do a reboot, then they need to learn from their past mistakes.You'll have better luck at turning straw into gold than TNA will learning from their past mistakes. Exactly how many times have we heard them say we've got it now we know what to do only to make things worse than they were before?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 24, 2014 15:49:39 GMT -5
And that's weird that advertisers are acting this way towards wrestling, I mean there's a proof that there's more trashy out there than wrestling. And with wrestling you get young men demo that seems to be a key demo in even the biggest networks. I mean it is sort of sport too and sport is huge all over. They are sort of super-heroes and capes are all the rages now, GOTG almost got as good numbers as Avengers. Plus wrestling has been on TV for decades, it's part of Americana. That advertisers don't want to be part of it doesn't make sense to me. I don't get why they are acting this way. It really is quite sad to realize that the sport that has been such a huge part of my life and many others here is looked upon to be such trash to the television world. I mean, we all know just how much shit is on TV these days that gets huge mainstream ratings and attention, and yet pro wrestling shows are looked upon to be so low brow that advertising companies think it's not worth spending their money on their shows and networks don't want them on their programming. Imagine that! All the stupid brain-dead "reality" television shows out there, and yet that is more desirable then pro wrestling. No wonder the WWE has been pushing their new corporate image down our throats for the past couple of years. They are trying their best to fix that image, despite all the dumb segments they've presented to us that pass as comedy, or maybe worse, drama. It's so bad that they are afraid of losing sponsors so they won't take chances or risks anymore. The product has been the same for almost a decade now, when in the past it'll evolve every 4-5 years, sometimes not by choice. And yet, I've never met anybody who looked down on me for loving wrestling so much, male or female. It makes sense to me. Advertisers will probably be more receptive to wrestling when the business finally steps into the 21th century. It's not just a WWE or TNA thing, and it's definitely not a storyline or booking thing. The industry's always been a few years behind pop culture and where the country is, both as far as its business practices and how it handles gender, race, sexuality, politics and just about everything else. Hell, the Attitude era had maybe even more in common with the early 90s than it did the late 90s as far as its presentation. Wrestling's been awkwardly trying to find its place in culture again for the past six years or so, but the ball's still in its own court. As backwards as reality TV can get, you're more likely to turn to any random reality show today and find, say, LGBT people presented in a far less degrading fashion than any major company's recent track record. Honey Boo Boo might as well be The Picture Of Dorian Grey next to your average Impact or Raw.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Nov 24, 2014 19:27:01 GMT -5
The new monday night war was an incredibly ballsy move, they had nowhere near the star power that wcw did back in the day and they gave us all what we had been dreaming about for years - yes they booked it incredibly poorly, bizarrely so, so you could argue that they deserved to fail, but you have to appreciate that they gave it a shot. The rest of your post is fine; but this--no. It wasn't a ballsy move; it was an incredibly stupid one that was seen as such months before it even happened. When a kid puts his hand on a hot stove and gets burned, you don't congratulate him for the ballsy effort. i'll have to disagree with you here man. Was it stupid? In hindsight indeed it was. And yes people were decrying it as stupid in advance, but is there anything TNA does that doesn't get shit on by loads of people in advance - take this very thread, destination america? what the hell? no-one will watch it, lol tna. However, had they booked that new monday night war better, it had every chance of catching on, look how many people love shitting on wwe on here at the minute too - if they had provided a viable alternative, with good booking, they had a shot - they didn't do anything close to making the most of it but i will still maintain it was a ballsy move that could have made a real impact, pardon the pun.
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Post by chrom on Nov 24, 2014 20:01:47 GMT -5
TNA had no chance whatsoever in 2010 going against RAW. The highest rating against them was what, a 0.7?
Ray Charles, who was blind and dead at the time could see that they were going to get their asses kicked no matter what and didn't have a chance. And yet even today you still find people some on Mecca and Asylum who claim they should take the fight to them again. They got annihiliated when they had AJ, Sting, Hogan, Beer Money, Angle, and others. What chance do they have now with Gunner, Melendez, DJ Z, The former Derrick Bateman, and Taryn?
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Post by benstudd on Nov 24, 2014 23:25:09 GMT -5
And most of the advertisers are owned by men, most of these networks are run by men why would they lift their noses at wrestling? Do they have any testosterones left in their bodies? Is it because these are rich and when you reach a certain level in society, you lift your nose at certain things. But again, if I'm Coke for example, even if wrestling is seen as a lower entertainment, wouldn't you want to cater to "the little people". Coke has been one of the first companies to go into the underdeveloped countries to sell their stuff. There's no level they won't stoop to to sell their product. As far as WWE, they've tried to change their image since 2006 but I'm not sure if this has been better for them. It hasn't. It's fact, it's really harmed their product in my opinion. To me, I look at it as like the Corleone family trying to go legitimate when their entire business history has been anything but. I mean, this is a business that prides themselves when they put a rival corporation out of business. Think the head of Coke & Pepsi are trying to do that to each other? I've never met anybody either. Every girlfriend I had became a wrestling fan with me, and my guy friends would watch a show with me and not get completely bored by it. I've even taken some to Raw and they had a blast. So, ratings are slowly dropping, advertisers don't want to be associated with you or your fan base, and cable networks don't think you're worth as much as your asking price. Don't they think it's time for a change in your product? This means a fresh look to your programming, changing your booking process, making it edgier but still PG, and cutting out all the horrible segments that make your fans cringe and become embarrassed to be watching? Apparently not. Also it's safe to say that when WWE did not have to worry about their image and were thinking about their survival, they delivered their best product and wrestling was all the buzz at the time. I mean wrestling was more popular with casuals and with other entertainment entities. Yet Vince changed the product to make it more safe and "acceptable" for other audience and those audience have given him the cold shoulder really. Meanwhile, a large portion of wrestling fans have left to watch MMA instead.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 24, 2014 23:52:32 GMT -5
www.inquisitr.com/1628025/tna-news-tna-wrestling-expected-to-go-through-major-overhaul-in-2015/Fairly new article about the TV deal, a lot of repeating but just a few tidbits. Destination America Executives have been meeting with TNA executives to discuss ways to integrate TNA into their programming and about potential rebranding. WGN thought they had a deal in place with TNA but TNA felt they couldn't afford to be off the air until the 2nd quarter of 2015. TNA will reportedly tape shows for January in December somewhere in the midwest. DA will air One Night Only Events on their channel, occasionally with live specials. As of right now TNA is expecting to do a hard reboot with both talent and creative. TNA could afford to wait, they are backed by Panda. Most of the time it's been a case where TNA's downfall has been because Panda didn't want to spend money. Because they have plenty. I think as anything, Dixie and her cronies are run by fear and they were afraid if they waited too much that fans would not be there. Like it matters, right. As far as I know, instead of relaunching properly they'll keep rushing their shows doing multiple filmings in a row in front of a lousy crowd and rushed booking and when they'll appear at DA, it's gonna be same old same old. Waiting for more months would have been much better giving you time to refresh your product, hire new people behind the scene with new ideas and JUST CALM THE f*** DOWN cause they've been chasing their tails since they went on the road with Hogan in 2013. It would have given them the time to find a new Impact Zone-type place where they could have filmed all their TV shows every year. Another thing, they should have had most of their titles vacant before the first show. You already had Joe giving his title away cause of injury, don't have any X title match right away. They could have had Lashley get his title match against Rooo, he loses but break Roode's arm at the end. Then Angle doesn't like the way Storm won his tag titles so he strip him and Abyss of the tag titles. So when you do your first show all your titles don't have a champion except the Knockout title but you do a championship match for that title anyway at the new station(instead of at the last Impact on Spike). At DA you could even reinstate the TV title which was last owned by Abyss to have a match for it. World title could be fought in a Gauntlet like on the first TNA show in 2002(battle royale where the lasting two guys have a regular match). Knockout match you may do the same Havok-Taryn-Kim match or have a new girl win the title. TV title, it could be just be Angle reinstates Abyss' title and to generate some hostility between the former tag partners, he book Storm against Abyss in the match. For the X title, it would be a marathon-type match like the match in 2002 that crowned the first X Div. champ. And for the tag champs, you do a King of the Ring elimination match amongst 8 teams.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Nov 25, 2014 4:18:11 GMT -5
One thing I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not, I'm not going through all the pages to find out, but one of the biggest things about this signing to me is that there'll be no more Bellator cross-promotion. Which is great -- I don't need shitty MMA fighters on my wrestling shows.
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Post by jimmyjames on Nov 25, 2014 4:50:45 GMT -5
www.inquisitr.com/1628025/tna-news-tna-wrestling-expected-to-go-through-major-overhaul-in-2015/Fairly new article about the TV deal, a lot of repeating but just a few tidbits. Destination America Executives have been meeting with TNA executives to discuss ways to integrate TNA into their programming and about potential rebranding. WGN thought they had a deal in place with TNA but TNA felt they couldn't afford to be off the air until the 2nd quarter of 2015. TNA will reportedly tape shows for January in December somewhere in the midwest. DA will air One Night Only Events on their channel, occasionally with live specials. As of right now TNA is expecting to do a hard reboot with both talent and creative. TNA could afford to wait, they are backed by Panda. Most of the time it's been a case where TNA's downfall has been because Panda didn't want to spend money. Because they have plenty. I think as anything, Dixie and her cronies are run by fear and they were afraid if they waited too much that fans would not be there. Like it matters, right. As far as I know, instead of relaunching properly they'll keep rushing their shows doing multiple filmings in a row in front of a lousy crowd and rushed booking and when they'll appear at DA, it's gonna be same old same old. Waiting for more months would have been much better giving you time to refresh your product, hire new people behind the scene with new ideas and JUST CALM THE f*** DOWN cause they've been chasing their tails since they went on the road with Hogan in 2013. It would have given them the time to find a new Impact Zone-type place where they could have filmed all their TV shows every year. Another thing, they should have had most of their titles vacant before the first show. You already had Joe giving his title away cause of injury, don't have any X title match right away. They could have had Lashley get his title match against Rooo, he loses but break Roode's arm at the end. Then Angle doesn't like the way Storm won his tag titles so he strip him and Abyss of the tag titles. So when you do your first show all your titles don't have a champion except the Knockout title but you do a championship match for that title anyway at the new station(instead of at the last Impact on Spike). At DA you could even reinstate the TV title which was last owned by Abyss to have a match for it. World title could be fought in a Gauntlet like on the first TNA show in 2002(battle royale where the lasting two guys have a regular match). Knockout match you may do the same Havok-Taryn-Kim match or have a new girl win the title. TV title, it could be just be Angle reinstates Abyss' title and to generate some hostility between the former tag partners, he book Storm against Abyss in the match. For the X title, it would be a marathon-type match like the match in 2002 that crowned the first X Div. champ. And for the tag champs, you do a King of the Ring elimination match amongst 8 teams. I don't think it's a financial reason that they couldn't afford to be off until April at the earliest, but keeping TNA relevant to viewers and in their minds. It's one thing to be off the air for a month between Thanksgiving and New Years, thats downtime for msot networks and even WWE goes easy at this time. But to be off the air for a minimum of 5 months, would be a disaster, not just to TNA fans, but their for their busoiness partners , suppliers, and most importantly, wrestlers in TNA and those they might be looking to sign, and don't forget about GWF. Whether it does anything or not, TNA being off the air would be the perfect thing for them.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 25, 2014 14:50:32 GMT -5
TNA will be taping somewhere in Dec. to cover their debut on Destination America. Dixie is going to announce that location a bit later on Twitter but I have heard that they were looking at locations in Michigan as late as last week.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 25, 2014 14:54:18 GMT -5
One thing I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not, I'm not going through all the pages to find out, but one of the biggest things about this signing to me is that there'll be no more Bellator cross-promotion. Which is great -- I don't need shitty MMA fighters on my wrestling shows. Sad part is they also lose Lashley.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 25, 2014 16:01:56 GMT -5
NYC, nice. Though it looks like it'll be mid Jan. before they hit air.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 25, 2014 16:24:23 GMT -5
One thing I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not, I'm not going through all the pages to find out, but one of the biggest things about this signing to me is that there'll be no more Bellator cross-promotion. Which is great -- I don't need shitty MMA fighters on my wrestling shows. Sad part is they also lose Lashley. So what part of that is sad?
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Post by Been burned too many times on Nov 25, 2014 18:14:16 GMT -5
TNA had no chance whatsoever in 2010 going against RAW. The highest rating against them was what, a 0.7? IIRC, a 1.5 So what part of that is sad? Lashley has been one of the best things about TNA since he won the title. His title defenses against Roode, Hardy and Aries were all good. He's been booked like a beast and actually better booked than Brock Lesnar has been overall since his return.
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Post by chrom on Nov 25, 2014 19:21:50 GMT -5
TNA had no chance whatsoever in 2010 going against RAW. The highest rating against them was what, a 0.7? IIRC, a 1.5 Ah yes, the esteemed Jan 4th show. And how many of those new fans changed the channel not five minutes later in the first segment that had the impact zone chanting "This is Bullsh!t"?
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Post by Been burned too many times on Nov 25, 2014 20:58:42 GMT -5
Ah yes, the esteemed Jan 4th show. And how many of those new fans changed the channel not five minutes later in the first segment that had the impact zone chanting "This is Bullsh!t"? Don't know but that would have been dumb because they would have missed Hamada and Kong vs. Sarita and Wilde plus the Angle vs. AJ main event.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 25, 2014 21:03:48 GMT -5
Not to toot my own horn here, but with a lot of the fantasy booking I have talked about, I actually think if Dixie Carter handed me the book I could do a reboot of TNA. Step 1woukd be to officially change the name to Impact Wrestling and finally drop the TNA logo altogether.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 25, 2014 21:17:04 GMT -5
Ah yes, the esteemed Jan 4th show. And how many of those new fans changed the channel not five minutes later in the first segment that had the impact zone chanting "This is Bullsh!t"? Don't know but that would have been dumb because they would have missed Hamada and Kong vs. Sarita and Wilde plus the Angle vs. AJ main event. They should have put Hamada and Kong vs Sarita and Taylor in the 1st hour, instead they put on the worst 1st hour they could. New eyes on the product and they didn't really give the fans a reason to stick around once Raw started.
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Post by chrom on Nov 25, 2014 21:20:02 GMT -5
Ah yes, the esteemed Jan 4th show. And how many of those new fans changed the channel not five minutes later in the first segment that had the impact zone chanting "This is Bullsh!t"? Don't know but that would have been dumb because they would have missed Hamada and Kong vs. Sarita and Wilde plus the Angle vs. AJ main event. The entire show except for those two moments was bad. Awful all around, any new fans who were interested in TNA and watched after it changed the channel and never looked back after it. it'd be like bragging you won 15 dollars after you lost 1500 dollars. Which sums up a whole lot about TNA.
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