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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 23, 2014 19:00:19 GMT -5
I just can't imagine all these people just decided we're gonna gang up and ruin Bill Cosby's career when he's damn near 80. That's just not reasonable IMO.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 23, 2014 19:08:11 GMT -5
Well obviously not everyone's but TV Guide did name Cliff Huxtible the greatest TV dad of all time a few years ago. Carl Winslow and Philip Banks were better human beings than Cliff anyway.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 23, 2014 19:16:17 GMT -5
Even if he isn't a rapist, it's sort of one of those worst-kept secrets that he's a complete creep. Aisha Tyler talked about how she was warned about how he'd try to cop a feel or try something else inappropriate with his hands when he hugged female comedians. Cheryl Underwood backed up her story.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Nov 23, 2014 19:38:30 GMT -5
Well obviously not everyone's but TV Guide did name Cliff Huxtible the greatest TV dad of all time a few years ago. Doesn't mean anything to me. We don't even have TV Guide here!
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 23, 2014 19:45:44 GMT -5
People are correct in saying that our judicial system is a "innocent until proven guilty" system. As it should be, if people could just be convicted and thrown in jail based on accusations, then count me out obviously. However, the court of public opinion is not and should not be held to that and anyone who says as such needs to get off their high horses. And if you don't like what I'm saying: tough shit. I'm about tired of being told that I'm some kind of bad person, being talked down to, and being thrown backhanded insults because I think or feel a different way than they do.
The fact is this guy has had plenty of stories come out about what an all around piece of shit he is. From how creepy he acts towards female members of the entertainment industry, to the stories of him acting like an asshole to students at whose graduations he's speaking at(Even though he never even graduated high school and his the phoniest of phony honorary degrees), to former NBC employees who've admitted to helping keeping women hush about his behavior, and his unfounded "holier than thou" attitude which, as psychology states, is sometimes a great indicator of serious hidden character flaws. With all that in mind, as awful as it is, it's not that far outside the realm of possibility that he might be guilty.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 23, 2014 19:49:08 GMT -5
None of us want to believe the filth flarn, flarn filth.
It sucks that the more that comes out, the more it looks like we're gonna have to
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Post by mizerable on Nov 23, 2014 20:03:40 GMT -5
My question is...why give Cosby the benefit of the doubt? He has done nothing to deserve that My question is this. What could he possibly do to be given the benefit of the doubt? Have alibis for events from 20 years ago? It's not like I believe him or anything, but to say he needs to present something when the likelihood that most have a preconceived outcome already given if they like or dislike the guy. It seems like it wouldn't matter what is said.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Nov 23, 2014 20:35:44 GMT -5
Everyone knows that when Bill Cosby told black youth to stop sagging their pants, a young Hannibal Burress was enraged and swore vengeance on him. After all these years, his grand conspiracy to end Cosby's career has finally come into fruition.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 23, 2014 21:15:06 GMT -5
So, I finished face timing with my girlfriend and now, I have returned, ready to bust some myths and try and learn some new things myself: www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-falsewww.ams.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/sasc_myths.pdfThere was a bloomberg article I first want to bring up which in my opinion has a pretty balanced view on the topic. Basically the woman is saying that people don't really know, because there are a lot of factors with reporting and stuff. The 2% stat of false rape accusations was brought up, but isn't the best source there, but in looking around, I found something that's a bit more Canadian in nature from the university of Alberta which did one which is stated to be between 4% and 6%. The bloomberg article cited a stat of 41% from a peer reviewed study, but that study had issues of being from a small town, 109 rapes over 9 years, and not taking into account some may've taken back their statements and didn't want to engage anymore. Plus, it's from 1994 and on the other side, there are also issues with some of the dates for Canada, where one study goes back to the 70s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rapeTo defend wikipedia, yes, before people bash me, they have numerous sources there and wikipedia is simply a starting point which I'm also going to attempt to read more into tonight. The first one there was from the UK in which Keir Starmer, the head of the CPS, said that the "mere fact that someone did not pursue a complaint or retracted it, is not of itself evidence that it was false" and that it is a "misplaced belief" that false accusations of rape are commonplace. Going back to the bloomberg article, she brought up that a lot of rapes should also be brought up on a case by case basis, which does make sense. And in the case of Bill Cosby, it's very similar to the case of Jian Ghomeshi here in Canada who was fired from CBC for stuff like this, and after he was fired for accusations of sexual assault, more people started coming forward and it started to paint a picture of a very narcissistic individual. And also in the article as well, she did bring up the issues with prosecuting rape, and I do feel that there can be a very dismissive attitude when it comes to rape, and that's why I and others feel people don't take it seriously. They'll say that it's a serious crime and most people, not all, but most I feel do believe it is, but they may dismiss it pretty quickly, so it's like, ok, so is it serious or not. Like, for me, a rape conviction should get you like, 15 to 20 years maybe, to show that yes, this is very serious and punishments should be given out harshly (especially since there's no "second degree rape", rape is rape and that's the end of it. I'd put it just under murder for severity and punishment. So I ask the people, in some cases, some rare cases, maybe there's a false accusation. But when you have a man with a long history in the entertainment industry, and many people from over the years in the entertainment industry are finally coming out and saying this man did some bad things to them, is it at least reasonable to think there might be something to that?
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 23, 2014 21:50:36 GMT -5
My question is...why give Cosby the benefit of the doubt? He has done nothing to deserve that My question is this. What could he possibly do to be given the benefit of the doubt? Have alibis for events from 20 years ago? It's not like I believe him or anything, but to say he needs to present something when the likelihood that most have a preconceived outcome already given if they like or dislike the guy. It seems like it wouldn't matter what is said. I will say that I don't think that his lack of word on the topic is an admission of guilt, in part since I can only imagine it may be partially due to not wanting to comment until the dust settles and accusations finish coming in, and articulating a response from there. That much is probably wise as far as his interests go. I subscribe to Occam's Razor, that the most likely explanation here is probably right, and the odds that everyone just up and trumped up charges, it's a lot to buy into. EDIT: Accidentally had a double negative, fixed it.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 24, 2014 9:27:18 GMT -5
I just can't imagine all these people just decided we're gonna gang up and ruin Bill Cosby's career when he's damn near 80. That's just not reasonable IMO. Wouldn't be the first time someone decided to attempt to get money out of the situation. Very similar to all the new "accusations" that keep coming up regarding Michael Jackson. I am not going to say Bill Cosby is innocent or guilty, as I haven't followed the scandal enough to formulate an opinion. I'd like to believe he wouldn't stoop to that level, however, the sad reality of all of this is that we'll most likely never know the facts.
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Post by Square on Nov 24, 2014 11:01:27 GMT -5
Operation Yewtree has proved that the alligations against Saville are true. But "a court of Law hasn't said he's guilty and nothing else". Not trying to belittle what you said and I understand that Yewtree may well have proven him guilty but isn't Yewtree a branch of the Police? A case by the Police being "proved" is not the same as being found guilty in court. For the record I'm aware it's contradictory but I do believe in innocence until proven guilty and I also believe that Saville is guilty of just about everything he was accused of. I'm terribly sorry let me change my answer "a court proving him guilty and nothing less. Unless he dies beforehand in which case I'll accept a major police operation to be suffice as you can't prosecute a dead guy"
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 24, 2014 11:45:06 GMT -5
I just can't imagine all these people just decided we're gonna gang up and ruin Bill Cosby's career when he's damn near 80. That's just not reasonable IMO. Wouldn't be the first time someone decided to attempt to get money out of the situation. Very similar to all the new "accusations" that keep coming up regarding Michael Jackson. I am not going to say Bill Cosby is innocent or guilty, as I haven't followed the scandal enough to formulate an opinion. I'd like to believe he wouldn't stoop to that level, however, the sad reality of all of this is that we'll most likely never know the facts. For the nth time: there's no money to be made here. The statute of limitations is up for a criminal charge, and civil charges cannot be pressed, either.
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Post by Tiiulicious on Nov 24, 2014 12:04:34 GMT -5
All these women with very similar stories can't all be lying. I highly doubt there's a grand conspiracy to frame good, old Bill Cosby and ruin his career to make money. There is plenty of stories of his creepy over the years. He was powerful and famous and no doubt knew how to get away with it.
Not to go on on feminist rant or anything but rape is still the one crime where as a victim you need to prove your innocence. Women who've been raped and try to get justice for it, they wind up having to defend themselves and their lifestyle in the court of law. If you are drunk and/or dressed provocatively, people still believe you were asking for it.
Also men's attitude about rape and/or sexual assault is frightening. I work as a nurse and that alone seems to mean that I have to put up with lewd comments, people grabbing my ass or other forms of sexual harassment to just do my job. If half the harassment I get was aimed at men, there would be endless lawsuits. The culture still is that you have to put up with it since it's something men just do.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 24, 2014 14:23:39 GMT -5
Wouldn't be the first time someone decided to attempt to get money out of the situation. Very similar to all the new "accusations" that keep coming up regarding Michael Jackson. I am not going to say Bill Cosby is innocent or guilty, as I haven't followed the scandal enough to formulate an opinion. I'd like to believe he wouldn't stoop to that level, however, the sad reality of all of this is that we'll most likely never know the facts. For the nth time: there's no money to be made here. The statute of limitations is up for a criminal charge, and civil charges cannot be pressed, either. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. Rape has a statute of limitations and these allegations surfaced way past the date that ran out. Civil suits aren't possible, either. Bill Cosby could go on national television tomorrow and said "Yeah, I raped all those women back then and there's nothing you can do about it!" and he'd be right. His reputation would be flushed completely down the toilet and he'd probably end up a complete pariah to society for whatever years he has left, but he wouldn't spend a single day in a jail cell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 14:51:07 GMT -5
I'm not one to lambaste someone in the court of public opinion, but seeing as I have no real emotional connection to Cosby or his work I'll just say this - If I were Netflix or whomever, I'd definitely cut ties with him at this point. If only in a, "We're putting our deal with Cosby on hold pending the outcome of these allegations" - type thing.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 24, 2014 15:59:36 GMT -5
I was surprised to find out this was apparently common knowledge. I had no idea any allegations had ever been made against him until that comedian said what he said.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 24, 2014 16:36:31 GMT -5
Wouldn't be the first time someone decided to attempt to get money out of the situation. Very similar to all the new "accusations" that keep coming up regarding Michael Jackson. I am not going to say Bill Cosby is innocent or guilty, as I haven't followed the scandal enough to formulate an opinion. I'd like to believe he wouldn't stoop to that level, however, the sad reality of all of this is that we'll most likely never know the facts. For the nth time: there's no money to be made here. The statute of limitations is up for a criminal charge, and civil charges cannot be pressed, either. Just because criminal charges and civil charges can't be pressed, doesn't mean that there is no money and publicity to be made. There are book deals, interviews, and tv movie deals that can and will constitute for money. I am not talking about innocence or guilt, I am merely pointing out that it's a possibility that it COULD be an extortion attempt.
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Nov 24, 2014 16:41:50 GMT -5
I was surprised to find out this was apparently common knowledge. I had no idea any allegations had ever been made against him until that comedian said what he said. Yeah, this is the first I've heard of any of this.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 24, 2014 16:51:36 GMT -5
I was surprised to find out this was apparently common knowledge. I had no idea any allegations had ever been made against him until that comedian said what he said. Yeah, this is the first I've heard of any of this. I'm from the Philly area, knew about this for years.
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