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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 27, 2014 10:29:17 GMT -5
The repeated riffs Punk takes on wrestlers not unionizing may serve as the verbal fire that'll burn whatever was left of the bridge.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Nov 27, 2014 10:32:08 GMT -5
The MRSA and concussion story should completely vindicate Punk in the mind of any rational person if true. I wouldn't blame Punk for being upset with some of the booking decisions they made with him and others, but it would still be highly unprofessional to just go home for those reasons. Unsafe work environment with no regard for your health is another matter. He owed it to himself to make sure he was safe. When he left he was in no physical condition to work, end of discussion.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 27, 2014 10:32:08 GMT -5
After reading the highlights of this interview I have to think Punk didn't handle this situation quite right. If he did in fact have this staph infection/mass on his back, why not just take some legit time off to get that dealt with and then ride out the remainder of his contract? That way there's no drama, no heated blow up, no denied royalty checks, etc. He's just hurt, leaves for a while, contract is up, no biggie.
And truth be told, what did it really matter for him to skewer HHH in that meeting?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 27, 2014 10:32:20 GMT -5
The doctors sound like absolute bullshit and are only there to keep up appearances. MVP would attest otherwise to that. The WWE have a history with shady doctors and of tightening up their health and wellness policies around the time of scandals then slowly relaxing them when no-one's looking, so there's no guarantee the stringent health checks and expensive doctors that saved MVP are the same ones being used today.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 27, 2014 10:33:25 GMT -5
The repeated riffs Punk takes on wrestlers not unionizing may serve as the verbal fire that'll burn whatever was left of the bridge. Yeah, Punk's heading into Raven country based on what I've heard so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:34:51 GMT -5
The repeated riffs Punk takes on wrestlers not unionizing may serve as the verbal fire that'll burn whatever was left of the bridge. The wedding day thing did that. Punk asking Triple H before that if he took the piss test probably didn't help though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:36:40 GMT -5
After reading the highlights of this interview I have to think Punk didn't handle this situation quite right. If he did in fact have this staph infection/mass on his back, why not just take some legit time off to get that dealt with and then ride out the remainder of his contract? That way there's no drama, no heated blow up, no denied royalty checks, etc. He's just hurt, leaves for a while, contract is up, no biggie. And truth be told, what did it really matter for him to skewer HHH in that meeting? "read the highlights" *forming opinions* No.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:38:25 GMT -5
Then you might as well not listen to it, because going into it with that kind of narrow-mindedness, it's just all going to sound like fiction to you. Also, you're not even in the kind of position to have a picture of the situation to where you can come to a likely conclusion. I mean, getting the story from the source has got to be a lot more credible than some random person on the internet saying "well he must have taken his ball and went home". Listening to it right now. Yep Punk is his normal whiny self. Sure some of the things he mentions sound horrible. But other things he comes off as "WAHHH I DIDNT GET MY WAY f*** YOU!" Plus how do we know Punk isn't working all of us? The only people that know why he left are him and the WWE. Talking to some people that know wrestlers in WWE,seems like Punk has been being a pain in the ass backstage for over 2 years. Such a pain asking them to book things that make sense and treat their employees oh sorry i mean independent contractors the right way sorry even if he is an asshole he can still be right. EDIT:And for someone who defends Bob Holly the second a wrestler calls him a douche this is pretty hypocritical.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 27, 2014 10:50:17 GMT -5
Between Maxine and Punk, the whole "using ideas for other wrestlers/divas" thing sounds like a sadly common pattern.
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Post by Dat Dude on Nov 27, 2014 10:52:53 GMT -5
Having had a bout of MRSA myself in the same area as Punk, and having it questionably misdiagnosed for a long period of time that put my health in risk? Yeah, I can relate.
Great interview, every point he talked about made perfect sense. I really hope he continues to find happiness in his new life never looks back at wrestling.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 27, 2014 10:54:45 GMT -5
Just finally got a copy. Will listen to it later. But I doubt it will change my opinion on Punk. I am of the mind that he finally realized his prima donna ways were not going to work in WWE,so he took his ball and went home. Then you might as well not listen to it, because going into it with that kind of narrow-mindedness, it's just all going to sound like fiction to you. Also, you're not even in the kind of position to have a picture of the situation to where you can come to a likely conclusion. I mean, getting the story from the source has got to be a lot more credible than some random person on the internet saying "well he must have taken his ball and went home".
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Post by Dub H on Nov 27, 2014 10:55:13 GMT -5
Between Maxine and Punk, the whole "using ideas for other wrestlers/divas" thing sounds like a sadly common pattern. If i'm not mistaken. Tyler and Curt idea were given to Awesome Truth. And they were rewarded with a stripper gimmick.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Nov 27, 2014 11:00:25 GMT -5
Well, I get why Rey Mysterio wanted to use his own doctor now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:02:24 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to listen to this yet so I cannot comment but following from a previous post I made in this thread, I hope he appears somewhere else at some point. We all love wrestling so we can all relate and understand how he feels so I hope he re-finds his love of wrestling somewhere. WWE are the issue, not the job of being a pro wrestler.
There must be a point in time where being a pro wrestler is just a job for talented athletes instead of part athlete, part drug addict, part politician.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 27, 2014 11:03:43 GMT -5
Well, I get why Rey Mysterio wanted to use his own doctor now. A lot of things about a lot of different situations we've heard about over the years are starting to make a bit more sense. I haven't had a chance to listen to this yet so I cannot comment but following from a previous post I made in this thread, I hope he appears somewhere else at some point. We all love wrestling so we can all relate and understand how he feels so I hope he re-finds his love of wrestling somewhere. WWE are the issue, not the job of being a pro wrestler. There must be a point in time where being a pro wrestler is just a job for talented athletes instead of part athlete, part drug addict, part politician. As much as I'd like to see Punk show up somewhere else, what is really in it for him? He's in his mid-30s now, so if he's thinking about forging a path in a new career now is really the ideal time to do it. He's got the Marvel gig, which could lead to bigger opportunities in comics, or within the various Marvel media projects. A lot of the criticisms I've seen and heard about him being hired by Marvel have revolved around him being "just a wrestler" (something that was also levelled against Rock earlier in his acting career). Maybe now it's time for him to stop being "just a wrestler" and prove that he can be something more.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 27, 2014 11:06:07 GMT -5
I didn't get that he cared about the suspension at all. He never called and said, "Hey, let's talk about this, when can I get back to work?" The only thing he said he cared about was the money he felt he was owed. I heard what you posted as him meaning, "So I'm missing Mania, big deal, I already told you I don't want your match against HHH so I already knew I was missing Mania." It's two months out, matches and storylines are set, he hasn't been on TV since January: duh, he's missing Mania. He told VKM and HHH, "I no longer want to be here." He says when people say he walked out on his contract, he's an independent contractor and he can walk out on it anytime he wants. So that's what he did: he walked out on his contract. Hey, if it's important to you to believe that he fully intended to go back to work for WWE, that's your prerogative. But how anyone can listen to that for two hours and think, "Yep, ol' Punk was ready to lace 'em up again and get back in that WWE ring" is beyond me. I'm not saying Punk was going to stay, I'm just saying we don't know for sure what he was thinking. How many times did Shawn Michaels quit the WWF in the 90s but still come back? At least three times by my count. As for Punk calling WWE, well of course he didn't. He said how desperate he was for an extended period of time off at that point. That's an appropriate comparison: Shawn quit (as you said) but he did come back. We have no idea if Punk will come back ... but they always come back.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 27, 2014 11:07:20 GMT -5
There must be a point in time where being a pro wrestler is just a job for talented athletes instead of part athlete, part drug addict, part politician. I don't think that'll ever happen. Pretty much every job involves politics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:09:06 GMT -5
Here is a quick story, those of you that are familiar with hockey will know it. Eric Lindros was hurt. Over the night he got progressively worse. His roommate Keith Jones got the team doctor, John Worley. The doctor checked him out, and wanted to send him back to Philadelphia for tests. It was Keith Jones, who had been watching Lindros get worse, who told Eric and the doctor that Lindros shouldn't get on that plane and instead should go to the hospital. He was right. Lindros had a collapsed lung, and the plane would have killed him. Lindros would also have issues with the Flyers because he had concussions and was unable to get back on the ice. This was 14 years ago, before the affects of concussions were common knowledge, and when Bobby Clarke and Ed Snider, two guys who's think in terms of 1970s. Now why do I bring this up. 2 reasons. One, when you have a team doctor, and I am comparing the WWE to a team, there is increasing pressure to get your players back on the field, and often that overrides common sense. We saw this more in sports 10-20 years ago, but I really consider the WWE thinking about 10-20 years behind sports(sports also have a union to protect them). The 2nd reason I bring it up is the treatment of concussions, which are still way under diagnosed, and I can't imagine it any different in WWE. Daniel Bryan had what was described as a serious concussion on the January 13th episode of Raw, yet still wrestled at the Royal Rumble two weeks later, and he was one of the few that was diagnosed(think Ziggler missed alot of time with another). I really can't imagine how many wrestlers work with head injuries over fear of losing their spot, and for those in the top card, there will be pressure on the doctors to pass them. The doctors works for the WWE. That is who pays them, and their job is to get the wrestlers back out there to perform. Don't forget it took a year for Ziggler to get his momentum back from his concussion and Fandango missed out on a good chance of becoming the IC champion because of a concussion
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 27, 2014 11:10:38 GMT -5
Im going to listen when I get home from work.
2 thoughts on this, from what I hear
A) Man, we'll never see Punk wrestle again.
B) Thank God for Punk's health we'll never see him wrestle again.
Wrestling really is this bizarre thing, especially when you are smartened up to the effects of the business when you realise in this stupid fake sport the guys are killing themselves in that squared circle for our enjoyment/because Vince and HHH are telling them to.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 27, 2014 11:12:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I just can't take the argument that he's "whiny" or anything like that seriously after listening to that. They put him through criminal working conditions and he refused to go through with it. He wasn't physically able to work anymore, and if he didn't refuse working their unsafe conditions would have ended up killing him. Like this isn't even an exaggeration, the medical stuff he mentioned is really f***ing serious. What essentially happened was them going "Hey, work." He went "No, I'm kind of dying also this isn't even fun, so it's not worth dying over." This is the farthest thing from whiny possible. Dude was in pain, dude was unhappy, dude did something about it. I can't imagine how on earth anyone would have a problem with that.
Like even if his contract said he had to work there--which it doesn't, according to Punk himself--there's no f***ing law on this planet that would force you to fulfill your job if your company is not fulfilling its obligations to keep you safe. Jesus. I'm so, so glad the man got out before something horrible happened.
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