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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 6, 2014 0:19:19 GMT -5
Sort of Punk interview related, but WWE is retweeting stuff from their medical doctor about the "Dean Ambrose injury" to make it seem like their medical staff is on point and damn good at what they do. And forced meme or not, it's hilarious to see people flood them with Z-Pak replies. I know it won't ever happen, but I wish Zack Ryder came back with a Z-Pak gimmick. Like someone would be injured backstage about to miss an important match and he'd reenact that thing Mr. Miyagi did in the first Karate Kid movie while screaming "Z-PAK!" then sending them off to wrestle. Infected would work better. Like you have a heel that's giving everyone strep throat on purpose, and then TOM ZENK THE ZMAN comes and makes them better. On-call manager Tom Zenk, would be my choice for the Z Pak Z Man gimmick. You get sick, Tom Zenk is prescribed as your manager for two weeks, and you must keep him for the full two weeks no matter how soon you get better.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 6, 2014 0:50:43 GMT -5
"You broke your arm? F*** you. Eat a Slim Jim." Millions of potential buys lost. Those ads sounded great. I mean, I literally see Punk in a Dudley Doright style of camp uniform basically going drill sergeant on these kids. Seriously, that sounds better than so many other things that WWE wanted. But I guess WWE decided they didn't want any one person to outshine the company or be a spokesman for anything outside of it. WWE really does sound like a cult. Actually, now that I think about it, losing the Slim Jim deal might actually piss me off the most if I was in that spot. I mean, if it worked, I could potentially make money many years after I left WWE. I say this as pure speculation, but maybe Vince wanted to avoid a Randy Savage deal with (coincidentally) Slim Jim? Doesn't make sense not to include CM Punk at all but just a guess.
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Post by Juice on Dec 6, 2014 0:51:00 GMT -5
I can't believe all the positive vs negative people are taking away from this. Arguments about verbal wars and mass change within the WWE.
I heard everything that was said, and what I took away from them, as a fan, was how genuine Punk sounded. He's just a dude talking to his buddy and they sound exactly like me and my pals. Punks stories, sounded like our stories and Colts responses were likewise as well.
Been a Punk fan for over a decade, been a fan of WWE for over 20. It's easy to see why people pick sides on these issues, but I don't understand why some people allow emotions to run so high.
Punks left and he said why. There's not really anything else to be taken away from this. When I see people rip into Punk for bashing Ryback and letting their markdom shine though I just don't get it. Conversely the people who are so admittedly defending Punk like they are actually in the know, or part of Punks circle.
A guy was unhappy at work and he quit. There's nothing else to this. It was an interesting story, a nice bit of insight, and now I am ready to move on. Like Punk did and like WWE have.
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Post by Juice on Dec 6, 2014 0:54:32 GMT -5
Those ads sounded great. I mean, I literally see Punk in a Dudley Doright style of camp uniform basically going drill sergeant on these kids. Seriously, that sounds better than so many other things that WWE wanted. But I guess WWE decided they didn't want any one person to outshine the company or be a spokesman for anything outside of it. WWE really does sound like a cult. Actually, now that I think about it, losing the Slim Jim deal might actually piss me off the most if I was in that spot. I mean, if it worked, I could potentially make money many years after I left WWE. I say this as pure speculation, but maybe Vince wanted to avoid a Randy Savage deal with (coincidentally) Slim Jim? Doesn't make sense not to include CM Punk at all but just a guess. This was my first thought as well. I think this story kind of adds credence to the fact that Vince was really upset with Savage walking out with that Slim Jim sponsorship. All these years later Vince is still paranoid.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 6, 2014 1:26:51 GMT -5
I say this as pure speculation, but maybe Vince wanted to avoid a Randy Savage deal with (coincidentally) Slim Jim? Doesn't make sense not to include CM Punk at all but just a guess. This was my first thought as well. I think this story kind of adds credence to the fact that Vince was really upset with Savage walking out with that Slim Jim sponsorship. All these years later Vince is still paranoid. This is, though, didn't Bam Bam Bigelow have a deal with Slim Jim while he was still in WWE, long after Savage was gone?
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Post by Juice on Dec 6, 2014 1:40:21 GMT -5
This was my first thought as well. I think this story kind of adds credence to the fact that Vince was really upset with Savage walking out with that Slim Jim sponsorship. All these years later Vince is still paranoid. This is, though, didn't Bam Bam Bigelow have a deal with Slim Jim while he was still in WWE, long after Savage was gone? Yeah they still had deals after Savage was gone, which is something that always lead credence to this rumor to be false as well, but I gotta wonder if they were perhaps less lucrative or maybe Savage wasn't the one who put the original deal together, and Vince felt betrayed because he handed it to Savage. Just don't know.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 6, 2014 3:07:30 GMT -5
"You broke your arm? F*** you. Eat a Slim Jim." Millions of potential buys lost. Sounds like the WWE medical plan.
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 6, 2014 3:09:33 GMT -5
While I agree with most of what Punk said, he sure comes off as a bitter arrogant prick. Honestly without the staph infection story I'd probably be less inclined to agree with him than I am now. That is impossible to defend.
That being said, I probably still would agree with him, but that's more of a testament to how poorly WWE is run than anything else. I get why he has fans, and part of me considers myself one, but there is something about his attitude that just rubs me the wrong way.
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 6, 2014 3:29:41 GMT -5
Here is a quick story, those of you that are familiar with hockey will know it. Eric Lindros was hurt. Over the night he got progressively worse. His roommate Keith Jones got the team doctor, John Worley. The doctor checked him out, and wanted to send him back to Philadelphia for tests. It was Keith Jones, who had been watching Lindros get worse, who told Eric and the doctor that Lindros shouldn't get on that plane and instead should go to the hospital. He was right. Lindros had a collapsed lung, and the plane would have killed him. Lindros would also have issues with the Flyers because he had concussions and was unable to get back on the ice. This was 14 years ago, before the affects of concussions were common knowledge, and when Bobby Clarke and Ed Snider, two guys who's think in terms of 1970s. Now why do I bring this up. 2 reasons. One, when you have a team doctor, and I am comparing the WWE to a team, there is increasing pressure to get your players back on the field, and often that overrides common sense. We saw this more in sports 10-20 years ago, but I really consider the WWE thinking about 10-20 years behind sports(sports also have a union to protect them). The 2nd reason I bring it up is the treatment of concussions, which are still way under diagnosed, and I can't imagine it any different in WWE. Daniel Bryan had what was described as a serious concussion on the January 13th episode of Raw, yet still wrestled at the Royal Rumble two weeks later, and he was one of the few that was diagnosed(think Ziggler missed alot of time with another). I really can't imagine how many wrestlers work with head injuries over fear of losing their spot, and for those in the top card, there will be pressure on the doctors to pass them. The doctors works for the WWE. That is who pays them, and their job is to get the wrestlers back out there to perform. One thing I don't understand is that if I'm an independent contractor, something Punk repeated over and over, and I have a lot of money, something Punk repeated over and over, I absolutely unequivocally have my own doctor. Also, if I have that and know that the WWE mat is a breeding ground for staph infections, I probably see that doctor sooner than later if I have a massive growth on me. That's not to absolve the WWE doctor at all. He should have had that checked pronto. The only thing I can guess is he asked if it hurt and Punk said no, and typically infections hurt like hell. Still, after it not clearing up after a few days he should have at least sent Punk to some sort of specialist or something. Typically any growth on you is not good and at least should require a biopsy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 3:42:30 GMT -5
Here is a quick story, those of you that are familiar with hockey will know it. Eric Lindros was hurt. Over the night he got progressively worse. His roommate Keith Jones got the team doctor, John Worley. The doctor checked him out, and wanted to send him back to Philadelphia for tests. It was Keith Jones, who had been watching Lindros get worse, who told Eric and the doctor that Lindros shouldn't get on that plane and instead should go to the hospital. He was right. Lindros had a collapsed lung, and the plane would have killed him. Lindros would also have issues with the Flyers because he had concussions and was unable to get back on the ice. This was 14 years ago, before the affects of concussions were common knowledge, and when Bobby Clarke and Ed Snider, two guys who's think in terms of 1970s. Now why do I bring this up. 2 reasons. One, when you have a team doctor, and I am comparing the WWE to a team, there is increasing pressure to get your players back on the field, and often that overrides common sense. We saw this more in sports 10-20 years ago, but I really consider the WWE thinking about 10-20 years behind sports(sports also have a union to protect them). The 2nd reason I bring it up is the treatment of concussions, which are still way under diagnosed, and I can't imagine it any different in WWE. Daniel Bryan had what was described as a serious concussion on the January 13th episode of Raw, yet still wrestled at the Royal Rumble two weeks later, and he was one of the few that was diagnosed(think Ziggler missed alot of time with another). I really can't imagine how many wrestlers work with head injuries over fear of losing their spot, and for those in the top card, there will be pressure on the doctors to pass them. The doctors works for the WWE. That is who pays them, and their job is to get the wrestlers back out there to perform. One thing I don't understand is that if I'm an independent contractor, something Punk repeated over and over, and I have a lot of money, something Punk repeated over and over, I absolutely unequivocally have my own doctor. Also, if I have that and know that the WWE mat is a breeding ground for staph infections, I probably see that doctor sooner than later if I have a massive growth on me. HE also mentionned that unless you get to the point he was at - where you actually have a voice, and are heard, then your voice fades, you get depushed and buried. This is THE show, and if you aren't a team player, who is willing to go the extra mile when Vince and co. come knocking for the first time, then you can be guaranteed there won't be a second, and the same is as true for the third and the fourth. No competition means, THE boss tells you what's what if you want the type of money he's paying you - which is, (even though Punk was complaining about 8000$ for a few dates) a lot more substantial than anywhere else is willing to give you. I don't agree with it, but ... reality.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 6, 2014 3:49:10 GMT -5
Here is a quick story, those of you that are familiar with hockey will know it. Eric Lindros was hurt. Over the night he got progressively worse. His roommate Keith Jones got the team doctor, John Worley. The doctor checked him out, and wanted to send him back to Philadelphia for tests. It was Keith Jones, who had been watching Lindros get worse, who told Eric and the doctor that Lindros shouldn't get on that plane and instead should go to the hospital. He was right. Lindros had a collapsed lung, and the plane would have killed him. Lindros would also have issues with the Flyers because he had concussions and was unable to get back on the ice. This was 14 years ago, before the affects of concussions were common knowledge, and when Bobby Clarke and Ed Snider, two guys who's think in terms of 1970s. Now why do I bring this up. 2 reasons. One, when you have a team doctor, and I am comparing the WWE to a team, there is increasing pressure to get your players back on the field, and often that overrides common sense. We saw this more in sports 10-20 years ago, but I really consider the WWE thinking about 10-20 years behind sports(sports also have a union to protect them). The 2nd reason I bring it up is the treatment of concussions, which are still way under diagnosed, and I can't imagine it any different in WWE. Daniel Bryan had what was described as a serious concussion on the January 13th episode of Raw, yet still wrestled at the Royal Rumble two weeks later, and he was one of the few that was diagnosed(think Ziggler missed alot of time with another). I really can't imagine how many wrestlers work with head injuries over fear of losing their spot, and for those in the top card, there will be pressure on the doctors to pass them. The doctors works for the WWE. That is who pays them, and their job is to get the wrestlers back out there to perform. One thing I don't understand is that if I'm an independent contractor, something Punk repeated over and over, and I have a lot of money, something Punk repeated over and over, I absolutely unequivocally have my own doctor. Also, if I have that and know that the WWE mat is a breeding ground for staph infections, I probably see that doctor sooner than later if I have a massive growth on me. That's not to absolve the WWE doctor at all. He should have had that checked pronto. The only thing I can guess is he asked if it hurt and Punk said no, and typically infections hurt like hell. Still, after it not clearing up after a few days he should have at least sent Punk to some sort of specialist or something. Typically any growth on you is not good and at least should require a biopsy. Therein lies the problem. WWE frowns on their "independent contractors" utilizing outside doctors. Wasn't it the Renee Dupree thread around here recently where Dupree talked about how he was trying to seek medical attention and the WWF suits were visibly discouraging him and insisting he wait to see their own guy?
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 6, 2014 4:05:01 GMT -5
One thing I don't understand is that if I'm an independent contractor, something Punk repeated over and over, and I have a lot of money, something Punk repeated over and over, I absolutely unequivocally have my own doctor. Also, if I have that and know that the WWE mat is a breeding ground for staph infections, I probably see that doctor sooner than later if I have a massive growth on me. That's not to absolve the WWE doctor at all. He should have had that checked pronto. The only thing I can guess is he asked if it hurt and Punk said no, and typically infections hurt like hell. Still, after it not clearing up after a few days he should have at least sent Punk to some sort of specialist or something. Typically any growth on you is not good and at least should require a biopsy. Therein lies the problem. WWE frowns on their "independent contractors" utilizing outside doctors. Wasn't it the Renee Dupree thread around here recently where Dupree talked about how he was trying to seek medical attention and the WWF suits were visibly discouraging him and insisting he wait to see their own guy? With most people I'd get that, except when this happened he was supposedly at the end of his rope, he was a very high profile star, and he sort of prides himself on being rebellious. I'm just surprised he didn't say f*** it and do it anyway.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 6, 2014 4:11:19 GMT -5
It didn't sound like they were really giving him much time to deal with it. When he wasn't wrestling he had promotional stuff I am sure, and then when he has down time at all he is probably wiped out to the point of not thinking of self care, it is really easy to get to the point of feeling so awful that you don't even think to get help.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 4:31:08 GMT -5
Makes you wonder how the company would be had they listened to guys and their ideas. Punk could do the Slim Jim thing and become even bigger, Punk could go over Triple H and stay white hot, a lot of things could be going on with the business from a promotion and storyline standpoint. We'd probably still have Punk in the business with a great amount of bigger stars on the roster. Just wild.
I'd hate working for that company man. See it's stuff like this which makes you think how the business would be had we not known about the backstage stuff.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 6, 2014 9:51:27 GMT -5
This is, though, didn't Bam Bam Bigelow have a deal with Slim Jim while he was still in WWE, long after Savage was gone? Yeah they still had deals after Savage was gone, which is something that always lead credence to this rumor to be false as well, but I gotta wonder if they were perhaps less lucrative or maybe Savage wasn't the one who put the original deal together, and Vince felt betrayed because he handed it to Savage. Just don't know. Slim Jim originally had a deal with WWF so when Savage left they used other WWF guys for awhile, when the contract was up Slim Jim decided to sign a deal with Savage rather than sign with WWF again. Vince is insanely out of touch and has been for awhile. Even a guy like Kevin Nash who considers Vince a friend says Vince was out of touch in the 90's. I've heard a lot of people basically say that he only agreed to the risks of the Attitude era because of how good WCW was doing. And I still say creative is at times as well. They were confused as to why fans weren't reacting to David Otunga as they thought Jennifer Hudson's husband would create a buzz. They also didn't get why fans weren't reacting to the Total Divas girls at first in the angle with AJ because they thought all their WWE audience would watch Total Divas. Oh and on the WWE's medical, Alberto Del Rio just did a shoot and he said that if you have a serious concussion they will take care of you, but you really aren't taken care of while your hurt to the point where you have to work injured
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Post by DIIV on Dec 6, 2014 9:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 6, 2014 10:09:36 GMT -5
If anyone is still having trouble downloading the podcasts, they are all on tune in radio. I listened to the latest (227) on the app last night. Tune In allows you to stream on your phone & use it for something else at the same time. YouTube doesn't...
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 6, 2014 10:58:33 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread since I last had a look in, but the Youtube version of part 1 of the podcast that was linked to by Colt (not sure if he uploaded it or not, but it doesn't seem to be his account judging by the other vids on the channel) reached over a million views.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 6, 2014 11:06:51 GMT -5
Punk looks so happy when he's just f***ing around, it's hilarious. Awww. Looks like being out of the WWE really did wonders for him.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 6, 2014 11:16:11 GMT -5
This is, though, didn't Bam Bam Bigelow have a deal with Slim Jim while he was still in WWE, long after Savage was gone? Yeah they still had deals after Savage was gone, which is something that always lead credence to this rumor to be false as well, but I gotta wonder if they were perhaps less lucrative or maybe Savage wasn't the one who put the original deal together, and Vince felt betrayed because he handed it to Savage. Just don't know. I think they want to keep no one bigger then the WWE so if they can spread the endorsements or guest appearances (like the Orton tattoo one) around it keeps the other wrestlers name a bit stronger but not making Punk's name too strong. The problem was Punk found the advertiser and thought it was his but the WWE got it and made it theirs using it as they see fit. At a certain point he should have just shut up and done it without asking. I also love how Punk bought up the MMA endorsements the week where the UFC basically does away with it when signing with Reebok
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