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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 28, 2014 7:02:18 GMT -5
They, especially Orton, were great in the Mania 30 main event. I know it was Bryan's night, deservedly so, but I thought both guys worked hard and Orton led the match like the pro he is. They deserve credit for what they did actually do to help Bryan, rather than the disaster it could have been.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 7:18:03 GMT -5
I can see why they wanted Batista to main event Mania. That part makes sense to me - returning star, had a big movie coming out, relatively fresh face in the main event scene given he'd been gone for awhile, instant tie-in storyline to Triple H, I get it.
What I don't understand is Orton. Yeah, he was working his ass off putting on the best matches of his life week in and week out and he really deserved it based on that, but the booking was so shitty that absolutely nobody was ever responding to him. People were booing him against Bryan and only against Bryan no matter what he did. When your top heel has no credibility due to losing constantly and spending months begging Triple H to bail him out of every big match he had and isn't getting any heat from it, why on earth would you not change directions on him?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 28, 2014 9:11:45 GMT -5
The rating bounced a full point that week. They weren't completely wide of the mark. He only started getting booed when it became clear he was back as a babyface to steal Bryan's thunder. I'm not sure how much that big rating had to do with his movie career, I think it was more that he was a former main eventer returning after several years away and people being intrigued to see what role he would play, how he'd look etc. If I remember correctly, the numbers went back to normal pretty quickly after that one-week jump. Definitely not enough evidence to suggest he'd be a good choice for main eventing Mania as a babyface, though in Vince's mind that rating probably confirmed he was right all along and led to them pressing ahead with the plan. Oh I wasn't implying that he was a movie star or that WWE was right about that - more that his return did generate interest, for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 10:35:08 GMT -5
After this and HHH's racism and various other things - I am beginning to think HHH is only good at running NXT and signing guys Regal scouts.
His management of WWE's main roster seems as shambolic as Vince.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 28, 2014 10:38:11 GMT -5
They, especially Orton, were great in the Mania 30 main event. I know it was Bryan's night, deservedly so, but I thought both guys worked hard and Orton led the match like the pro he is. They deserve credit for what they did actually do to help Bryan, rather than the disaster it could have been. Yeh,Orton leaded the match very well and Batista did amazing heel work.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 28, 2014 10:46:35 GMT -5
Those of us who lost that bet got hosed by the fans. Happily so, but hosed nonetheless.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 28, 2014 10:51:40 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get. Batista was never long for WWE given he had to go promote Guardians anyway, so what was the end game of him main eventing? Was he seriously just going to show up and job to Orton at WM? Because I can't see any serious way they could put the belt on Batista for any length of time. Or would Batista be a transition champion to someone like Bryan a couple of months later?
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Nov 28, 2014 11:04:19 GMT -5
I'm still baffled that Vince didn't make Batista wrestle as Drax. You just know he's always wanted to have a wrestling alien main event Wrestlemania and he blew his best shot at it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 12:08:35 GMT -5
Imagine how shitty mania 30 would have been if Bryan had just wrestled Sheamus or something, there was no Bryan vs HHH, and that was the main event.
WWE stock would be at about $2 with how many people would have cancelled their network sub.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 28, 2014 15:21:19 GMT -5
Bryan should've already had a decent length title reign, gotten screwed out of the title in the Rumble or the Chamber, and then "moved on" to HHH. Bryan/HHH should've been the main event with Batista vs. Orton vs Punk for the title as the co-main event.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 28, 2014 22:47:10 GMT -5
Wanting to capitalise on Batista's mainstream exposure kind of makes sense.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 28, 2014 22:55:41 GMT -5
Wanting to capitalise on Batista's mainstream exposure kind of makes sense. Except Batista didn't really warrant that kind of treatment. At least Rock and Brock are actual megastars. Batista was just a celebrity guest that conveniently knew how to take a bump.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 22:59:26 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get. Batista was never long for WWE given he had to go promote Guardians anyway, so what was the end game of him main eventing? Was he seriously just going to show up and job to Orton at WM? Because I can't see any serious way they could put the belt on Batista for any length of time. Or would Batista be a transition champion to someone like Bryan a couple of months later? Supposedly the intention was for him to drop the title to Bryan at Payback.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 28, 2014 23:02:22 GMT -5
Vince is the only person that believed such a thing. Maybe Triple H thought so too.
The problem is that WWE Creative is comprised of yes-men that don't have the stones to tell Vince when he has missed the mark, to the point where even their ass-kissery annoys Vince himself.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 29, 2014 0:06:30 GMT -5
Wanting to capitalise on Batista's mainstream exposure kind of makes sense. What mainstream exposure? That really only came about after GOTG was released to such success. That's why it was dumber than usual for WWE. Batista was just some big jacked up dude in an upcoming movie a lot of people were initially not exactly sold on or familiar with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 0:07:37 GMT -5
I just find it baffling they practically pushed Batista to the Moon because he was going to be in Guardians of the Galaxy and when the movie did come out and EXCEEDED EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATIONS, they don't even bother promoting it. Like what's the point?! Batista got the third most screen time in the biggest domestic movie of the year and was also the main comic relief! Hell he's one of the three live action actors in the movie!
It's just baffling and a huge missed out opportunity.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Nov 29, 2014 0:09:51 GMT -5
Orton and Big Dave could've put on Steamboat/Savage and half of that stadium would've left to beat the traffic and the other half would've been there still to simply shit on the match.
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Post by revolverjgw on Nov 29, 2014 0:27:30 GMT -5
I'm still baffled that Vince didn't make Batista wrestle as Drax. You just know he's always wanted to have a wrestling alien main event Wrestlemania and he blew his best shot at it. An alien that takes everything literally would be a great gimmick. Imagine Bray trying to cut a promo on him.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 29, 2014 0:54:24 GMT -5
Well we know it's true now, but I still can't wrap my mind around it. I know Vince is the senile old man, but I literally cannot imagine in any way, shape, or form that he seriously thought that the main event of the 30th Annual WrestleMania should be f***ing Batista vs Randy Orton. That's what I'm stuck on, too. Orton at that point had spent months as this guy fans chanted random stuff at during his matches. Then you have Batista, a part-time guy coming into a spot the fans clearly want Bryan in. It was a recipe for failure, and I can't imagine the mindset of the people pushing for it. Hell, Batista himself said he knew it was stupid to return as the conquering hero.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 3:02:09 GMT -5
Well we know it's true now, but I still can't wrap my mind around it. I know Vince is the senile old man, but I literally cannot imagine in any way, shape, or form that he seriously thought that the main event of the 30th Annual WrestleMania should be f***ing Batista vs Randy Orton. Triple H sold Vince on his boys. That's my theory. Unfounded, but very plausible.
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