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Post by Scott on Nov 29, 2014 3:35:31 GMT -5
I'm just glad it worked out the way it did. Bryan in the main event from day one would have taken too much fun out of it.
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Post by lockedontarget on Nov 29, 2014 5:44:16 GMT -5
I think a lot of people forget that Batista actually was a pretty big star.
I would bet money had the timing for his return had been different, he would have easily been over as a top babyface act. The problem isn't that people didn't like Batista so much as he was getting in Bryan's way.
I think if he came back soon he could have a perfectly fine face run now that Bryan got his Wrestlemania closure.
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Post by chronocross on Nov 29, 2014 7:14:14 GMT -5
Still can't believe that they really thought it would work. I love how the crowd just absolutely crapped on Batista and #30 Rey Mysterio at the end. If he had came back before the big D-Bry push last summer, he might have received a hero's welcome.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 29, 2014 7:43:57 GMT -5
Nah, Punk must be wrong, because Bryan winning the title triumphantly was always their master plan, or so I heard from WWE apologists.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Nov 29, 2014 8:04:11 GMT -5
If Mcmahon really thought that...he needs to be locked away somewhere for his own good. He probably still thinks Regan is in the White House with all his stupid ass bad 80's booking decisions. Batista got a bad reaction for two reasons:
1. If it wasn't Daniel Bryan in that spot the fans didn't give a shit
2. Batista still acted like dick Batista from 2010 only wearing skinny jeans this time. He barely did anything that resembled a face. Didn't he do shit like flipping the fans off? That's a babyface right there...lol.
The reason the main event was changed was the horrible reaction to it and someone convinced him to change it. Thank God for that.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 29, 2014 8:14:08 GMT -5
So far then
- Vince thinks Batista and Orton would have been the greatest main event in history....if history was shit
- He's concerned that UFC fighters might die, as opposed to wrestlers, who all live healthy lives and die of old age
- He's amazed that women are MMA fighters and is sickened by it. He probably doesn't realise that women are also police officers and soldiers.
- He owes CM Punk at least three big favours
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 29, 2014 10:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah it is clear Vince knows nothing about UFC or MMA since if someone is clearly not fighting back the ref stops the fight. Vince is stuck in this wrestling mindset where only cowards submit, whereas in a real fight guys tapping out is a sign of intelligence to save their careers.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 29, 2014 11:27:52 GMT -5
Yeah it is clear Vince knows nothing about UFC or MMA since if someone is clearly not fighting back the ref stops the fight. Vince is stuck in this wrestling mindset where only cowards submit, whereas in a real fight guys tapping out is a sign of intelligence to save their careers. Its also a boxing mentality too. I remember listening to a sports talk show and the host was going off on MMA because of the giving up saying boxers never do that.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 29, 2014 12:43:34 GMT -5
Here's what I think WWE's line of thinking was, and it had nothing to do with Orton (other than he had the straps_: 1) Batista has been away. Returning guys like Rock and Brock had been good box office. 2) Batista has a role in a big movie that they feel is only going to further raise his profile with casuals who may be intrigued and thus buy WM. So I can see why they thought this would work. I can also see that it completely ignores that Bryan was as over as he was at the time. They thought because Batista was playing a good-guy superhero (or space hero, whatever) badass in the movie that it made more sense to bring him back as a babyface than as a heel, which is for sure his most natural alignment. Personally I can't stand Batista, can't name two matches he's ever been in that I found entertaining or cared about in any way. Obviously it was a severe miscalculation, but I can see what made them think it would work. What's funny about that though is that Batista left before GotG came out, and WWE didn't even bothering promoting the movie despite Batista being in it, because he was gone by then. It then goes on to be the biggest movie of the summer, and will probably be the biggest movie of the year still. Talk about missing a good chance to get your brand out there.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 29, 2014 12:46:23 GMT -5
Here's what I think WWE's line of thinking was, and it had nothing to do with Orton (other than he had the straps_: 1) Batista has been away. Returning guys like Rock and Brock had been good box office. 2) Batista has a role in a big movie that they feel is only going to further raise his profile with casuals who may be intrigued and thus buy WM. So I can see why they thought this would work. I can also see that it completely ignores that Bryan was as over as he was at the time. They thought because Batista was playing a good-guy superhero (or space hero, whatever) badass in the movie that it made more sense to bring him back as a babyface than as a heel, which is for sure his most natural alignment. Personally I can't stand Batista, can't name two matches he's ever been in that I found entertaining or cared about in any way. Obviously it was a severe miscalculation, but I can see what made them think it would work. What's funny about that though is that Batista left before GotG came out, and WWE didn't even bothering promoting the movie despite Batista being in it, because he was gone by then. It then goes on to be the biggest movie of the summer, and will probably be the biggest movie of the year still. Talk about missing a good chance to get your brand out there. Yeah that seemed very odd to me, too. I wonder if Dave was always leaving at the time he went? I don't recall the film ever being mentioned on TV
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 29, 2014 13:10:38 GMT -5
Its a combo if Vince being out of touch, Batista being Trips friend, and Gaurdians of the Galaxy-and that is the big one. They convinced themselves Bryan was a flash in the pan and that Dave was going to come back as a conquering hero because of the movie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 13:12:59 GMT -5
Yeah it is clear Vince knows nothing about UFC or MMA since if someone is clearly not fighting back the ref stops the fight. Vince is stuck in this wrestling mindset where only cowards submit, whereas in a real fight guys tapping out is a sign of intelligence to save their careers. Its also a boxing mentality too. I remember listening to a sports talk show and the host was going off on MMA because of the giving up saying boxers never do that. Lot of people still call out Klitchko for giving up on his fight against Larry Byrd when it was revealed if he continued the fight, he would of permanetly damaged his rotators cuff ending his boxing career.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 29, 2014 14:44:18 GMT -5
What's funny about that though is that Batista left before GotG came out, and WWE didn't even bothering promoting the movie despite Batista being in it, because he was gone by then. It then goes on to be the biggest movie of the summer, and will probably be the biggest movie of the year still. Talk about missing a good chance to get your brand out there. Yeah that seemed very odd to me, too. I wonder if Dave was always leaving at the time he went? I don't recall the film ever being mentioned on TV He was. There was talk of him coming back (he really wants one more match with Hunter) but with the movies he's picked up since it looks like that won't happen.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 30, 2014 17:03:11 GMT -5
Yeah that seemed very odd to me, too. I wonder if Dave was always leaving at the time he went? I don't recall the film ever being mentioned on TV He was. There was talk of him coming back (he really wants one more match with Hunter) but with the movies he's picked up since it looks like that won't happen. That makes sense. Shame, because with so many people liking Drax and kinda doing a 180 on Dave (myself included), he probably would have received a hero's welcome if he came back in August after the movie came out.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 30, 2014 17:08:05 GMT -5
Nah, Punk must be wrong, because Bryan winning the title triumphantly was always their master plan, or so I heard from WWE apologists. I know that there's people out there who genuinely think that and more power to them, but I have no clue how anyone could think WWE had a single part of that disaster planned. The only thing that helped them salvage the situation was that Batista slipped back into his heel character so naturally.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 30, 2014 17:12:18 GMT -5
I just find it baffling they practically pushed Batista to the Moon because he was going to be in Guardians of the Galaxy and when the movie did come out and EXCEEDED EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATIONS, they don't even bother promoting it. Like what's the point?! Batista got the third most screen time in the biggest domestic movie of the year and was also the main comic relief! Hell he's one of the three live action actors in the movie! It's just baffling and a huge missed out opportunity. As we have seen with Hornswoggle being in Muppets Most Wanted, if WWE isn't making any money off the movie, they refuse to promote it. I don't know why Vince has gone that route, but yeah....he has gone that route. If WWE isn't involved, it doesn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 17:35:21 GMT -5
I just find it baffling they practically pushed Batista to the Moon because he was going to be in Guardians of the Galaxy and when the movie did come out and EXCEEDED EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATIONS, they don't even bother promoting it. Like what's the point?! Batista got the third most screen time in the biggest domestic movie of the year and was also the main comic relief! Hell he's one of the three live action actors in the movie! It's just baffling and a huge missed out opportunity. As we have seen with Hornswoggle being in Muppets Most Wanted, if WWE isn't making any money off the movie, they refuse to promote it. I don't know why Vince has gone that route, but yeah....he has gone that route. If WWE isn't involved, it doesn't exist. Which is weird because they could of actually made some money drawing in new fans. Like kids like super hero movies and wwe tries to appeal to kids. The whole thing is is just baffling especially on how WWE loves the mainstream and Guardians of the Galaxy is probably going to the the most memorable film of 2013
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 18:02:21 GMT -5
What if Batista, knowing this was going to get shat on, also forced the WWE's hand to turn him heel by in fact...pretty much playing a heel?
Maybe he figured that if WWE wasn't going to do the obvious and make it official, he'd be the douchiest he could be until the solution became way too obvious to ignore.
I just suggest this because if Batista knew from jump that the idea was stupid, I can only imagine him going the straight face route initially only because that's what the company wanted...then he was getting booed out of the building and it didn't make sense to him to keep it up.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 30, 2014 18:06:29 GMT -5
As we have seen with Hornswoggle being in Muppets Most Wanted, if WWE isn't making any money off the movie, they refuse to promote it. I don't know why Vince has gone that route, but yeah....he has gone that route. If WWE isn't involved, it doesn't exist. Which is weird because they could of actually made some money drawing in new fans. Like kids like super hero movies and wwe tries to appeal to kids. The whole thing is is just baffling especially on how WWE loves the mainstream and Guardians of the Galaxy is probably going to the the most memorable film of 2013 It is weird and I remember what Punk said during his famous pipe bomb promo, Vince McMahon is a millionaire who should be a billionaire. However, unlike what Punk said, it is through Vince's own ego that he is not. He could have advisors who keep telling him he is hurting himself, Vince doesn't care.
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