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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 18:30:53 GMT -5
(I haven’t seen this thread made since I joined)
So I ask all of those who’ve read the books to answer who should be on the Iron Throne?
I back Stannis Baratheon and, I’ll tell you why. His brother was Robert, he didn’t have any legitimate heirs so by default he’s the king. Plain and, simple. He's the king Westeros deserves and, needs. He won't be loved by the people but, history will look back and deem him one of the greatest kings.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 5, 2014 20:45:15 GMT -5
I'll fight for Stone Cold Stannis Baratheon. It's a Baratheon throne now as right by conquest so it goes down family line. If Dany wants it, she got to win it. Same with the others.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 5, 2014 20:52:04 GMT -5
Stannis is the rightful King.
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Post by Raskovnik on Dec 5, 2014 20:56:54 GMT -5
Stannis is absolutely in the right. That's why I like him. I also think he'd be the best fit, as long as he keeps Davos as his Hand.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 5, 2014 21:11:05 GMT -5
While I do want to see Euron win, just for shits and giggles, it's Aegon VI. If he can prove he's the real deal to the Martels, he has it in the bag.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 21:18:47 GMT -5
While I do want to see Euron win, just for shits and giggles, it's Aegon VI. If he can prove he's the real deal to the Martels, he has it in the bag. Nah, even if we find out he's not a Blackfyre pretender and, is truly a Targaryen. The Targaryen's lost the rebellion, he has claim to nothing by this point. |
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 5, 2014 21:20:52 GMT -5
While I do want to see Euron win, just for shits and giggles, it's Aegon VI. If he can prove he's the real deal to the Martels, he has it in the bag. Nah, even if we find out he's not a Blackfyre pretender and, is truly a Targaryen. The Targaryen's lost the rebellion, he has claim to nothing by this point. Claim schmaim. He's halfway done conquering the Stormlands and if he gets Dorne and The Reach (thanks to Cersei), he has the claim of "I have a craploads of swords, obey or your head gets cut off". |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 21:31:21 GMT -5
Claim schmaim. He's halfway done conquering the Stormlands and if he gets Dorne and The Reach (thanks to Cersei), he has the claim of "I have a craploads of swords, obey or your head gets cut off". But swords don't win over the people they might rebel again and, Danny will still have dragons and Euron will still have a way to control the dragons(If the horn works). Plus who knows which side the North, The Vale, and ect side with. (Now while I agree he'd be a good king he still has no right to rule.) |
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Post by The Trashman on Dec 5, 2014 21:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 5, 2014 21:43:00 GMT -5
But swords don't win over the people they might rebel again and, Danny will still have dragons and Euron will still have a way to control the dragons(If the horn works). Plus who knows which side the North, The Vale, and ect side with. (Now while I agree he'd be a good king he still has no right to rule.) Allow me to dissect this post to answer all your points. First, about the claim. Renly had a very choice quote about how much it really is worthless: " Tell me, what right did my brother Robert ever have to the Iron Throne? Oh, there was talk of the blood ties between Baratheon and Targaryen, of weddings a hundred years past, of second sons and elder daughters. No one but the maesters care about any of it. Robert won the throne with his warhammer". And he's right. In the end, the only thing that matters is power. Next, the people: This war had devastated all of Westeros, and at this point, the large majority of the smallfolk couldn't give a shit who is sitting on the Iron Throne, just that someone is and that they can live in peace. If Aegon ends the war, do they really care if his dad and grandfather lost a war? No. Danny: She's a tricky one. There has to be some payoff with her and the freakin' dragons, but it's been stretched so long and her powerbase in Meereen is crumbling. Euron: That is...*if* he can get the dragons to the Iron Islands in time (which is pretty doubtful, really). Otherwise, directly, they aren't much of a threat. The North: At this point, the North wants a Stark in Winterfell and justice for the Red Wedding. Hell, you could say the same about The Riverlands, too. Lastly....... The Vale: Now this is tricky. House Arryn was the house that actually started the rebellion and Littlefinger can't be too pleased Varys' golden boy is taking the power he's trying to get his golden girl for. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 22:15:55 GMT -5
But swords don't win over the people they might rebel again and, Danny will still have dragons and Euron will still have a way to control the dragons(If the horn works). Plus who knows which side the North, The Vale, and ect side with. (Now while I agree he'd be a good king he still has no right to rule.) Allow me to dissect this post to answer all your points. First, about the claim. Renly had a very choice quote about how much it really is worthless: " Tell me, what right did my brother Robert ever have to the Iron Throne? Oh, there was talk of the blood ties between Baratheon and Targaryen, of weddings a hundred years past, of second sons and elder daughters. No one but the maesters care about any of it. Robert won the throne with his warhammer". And he's right. In the end, the only thing that matters is power. Next, the people: This war had devastated all of Westeros, and at this point, the large majority of the smallfolk couldn't give a shit who is sitting on the Iron Throne, just that someone is and that they can live in peace. If Aegon ends the war, do they really care if his dad and grandfather lost a war? No. Danny: She's a tricky one. There has to be some payoff with her and the freakin' dragons, but it's been stretched so long and her powerbase in Meereen is crumbling. Euron: That is...*if* he can get the dragons to the Iron Islands in time (which is pretty doubtful, really). Otherwise, directly, they aren't much of a threat. The North: At this point, the North wants a Stark in Winterfell and justice for the Red Wedding. Hell, you could say the same about The Riverlands, too. Lastly....... The Vale: Now this is tricky. House Arryn was the house that actually started the rebellion and Littlefinger can't be too pleased Varys' golden boy is taking the power he's trying to get his golden girl for. All valid points but, counter argument time. Renly may have a point and, while it may be true I feel like he says it to better his own claim for the throne. The people may not care now but, they will eventually. Especially if the ruler doesn't know what he/she is doing. Wont argue the next two points they're both awful leaders who would ruin Westeros faster than Robert did. They can want a Stark all they want but, the majority of the North thinks they all died outside of Snow (But he's lord commander of the Night's Watch). Plus the person with the best claim to the North is Sansa at the moment (Bran is believed dead while Sansa isnt) and, who has Sansa? Littlefinger. Who also controls the Vale. And when he makes it common knowledge Sansa is alive and, well the Riverlands will join his cause. Right there that's three house most likley against the Targaryen invasion. Not to mention the Lannister while extremely weakened by the war would also no bend the knee so easily. |
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 5, 2014 22:19:29 GMT -5
All valid points but, counter argument time. Renly may have a point and, while it may be true I feel like he says it to better his own claim for the throne. The people may not care now but, they will eventually. Especially if the ruler doesn't know what he/she is doing. Wont argue the next two points they're both awful leaders who would ruin Westeros faster than Robert did. They can want a Stark all they want but, the majority of the North thinks they all died outside of Snow (But he's lord commander of the Night's Watch). Plus the person with the best claim to the North is Sansa at the moment (Bran is believed dead while Sansa isnt) and, who has Sansa? Littlefinger. Who also controls the Vale. And when he makes it common knowledge Sansa is alive and, well the Riverlands will join his cause. Right there that's three house most likley against the Targaryen invasion. Not to mention the Lannister while extremely weakened by the war would also no bend the knee so easily. I forget his name at the moment, but wasn't there a Northern lord who tasked Davos to smuggle Rickon back from Skagos so they can rally around him? Granted, a 4 year old boy isn't much of a leader. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 5, 2014 22:21:48 GMT -5
The funny thing about this story is that the only ones who really give a shit about who the "rightful ruler" are the spoiled, entitled nobility. Stannis and Dany being the most entitled out of all of them.
No one in the 7 kingdoms really gives a damn who the ruler is so long as there is peace. That's why I don't have the greatest amount of love for the characters who wanted to start a war because Joffrey was born of incest(A fact that only Stannis knows for sure). The smallfolk couldn't give less of a shit that Joffrey is Jaime and Cersei's son because it doesn't effect their daily lives. Now, they cared that he and his mother were terrible rulers who cared for nothing but themselves but the fact that Joffrey isn't Robert's son meant nothing to them. Even if they did believe it, which most in Westeros don't.
If you ask me the best thing to do is keep Tommen there and get his mother away from him. No one outside of their respective camps wants the mad king's daughter or the guy who burns people simply for disagreeing with him as their ruler.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 5, 2014 22:27:06 GMT -5
All valid points but, counter argument time. Renly may have a point and, while it may be true I feel like he says it to better his own claim for the throne. The people may not care now but, they will eventually. Especially if the ruler doesn't know what he/she is doing. Wont argue the next two points they're both awful leaders who would ruin Westeros faster than Robert did. They can want a Stark all they want but, the majority of the North thinks they all died outside of Snow (But he's lord commander of the Night's Watch). Plus the person with the best claim to the North is Sansa at the moment (Bran is believed dead while Sansa isnt) and, who has Sansa? Littlefinger. Who also controls the Vale. And when he makes it common knowledge Sansa is alive and, well the Riverlands will join his cause. Right there that's three house most likley against the Targaryen invasion. Not to mention the Lannister while extremely weakened by the war would also no bend the knee so easily. I forget his name at the moment, but wasn't there a Northern lord who tasked Davos to smuggle Rickon back from Skagos so they can rally around him? Granted, a 4 year old boy isn't much of a leader. Wyman Manderly? |
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 5, 2014 22:29:06 GMT -5
I forget his name at the moment, but wasn't there a Northern lord who tasked Davos to smuggle Rickon back from Skagos so they can rally around him? Granted, a 4 year old boy isn't much of a leader. Wyman Manderly? Yup, that's the man. Thanks. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 5, 2014 22:32:33 GMT -5
Yup, that's the man. Thanks. No problem, man. BTW, that's a risky mission for Davos if what they say about the people of Skagos is true. Which I'm not sure it is. Especially if Osha and Rickon are still alive. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 23:38:22 GMT -5
Whoever gets 1000 KOs first.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 5, 2014 23:39:32 GMT -5
Whoever gets 1000 KOs first. Heh, Gregor Clegane was getting pretty close to that marker. |
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Post by Juice on Dec 6, 2014 0:03:25 GMT -5
I'm not yet finished with the books, so don't rip my face off. If something conflicts.
My three favorite characters are Tyrion, Jon Snow, and Little Finger. I would like a scenario in which Little Finger has revealed that he is behind everything that has occurred since the death of Lord Arryn. Tyrion somehow takes the throne and steps down for Jon to rule.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 6, 2014 0:46:27 GMT -5
Whoever gets 1000 KOs first. Heh, Gregor Clegane was getting pretty close to that marker. Do all the kills that Ser Robert Strong get count towards Gregor's number as well? If so, he'll be well past 1000 by the time it's all said and done. |
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