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Post by Dub H on Dec 17, 2014 5:09:57 GMT -5
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 17, 2014 6:26:23 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3PhvCf_JgFor people complaining about censorship, that's the trailer. No satire, it's not over the top, it's just a power fantasy for a sick deranged person. You go around executing civilians, how can they want that on steam especially in the gamersgate era? Here's some stuff about it.Also for people whining that Postal 2 and Hotline Miami aren't being removed, neither were made by a literal neo-nazi. Also they were both over the top enough that it was more crass and full on then being literally a power-fantasy. Okay, could you please stop being so gratuitously aggressive and insulting towards other people? Aside form the questionable accusation of ties to neo-nazism (and your source being a Tumblr "I want the glamour of activism without actually doing anything constructive because that's work and if you don't admire me you're worse than Hitler" blog does not help the credibility of these accusations), now you're flat-out saying that people who disagree with you are "whining", all while advocating censorship because if something offends YOU, then nobody should be allowed to have it. What is it with people who get offended over fictional violence being so aggressive and intolerant in real life? Yes, it's just a power fantasy and that's the point, it's just that. There's nothing more to it. It's really not that important and not worth getting upset over. I'm also not sure what GamerGate has anything to do with this, and while we're at it, can we stop giving this group a power that they don't have? They are nothing but a bunch of losers who find no other way than spitting bile to make themselves noticed and acting like they are a genuine threat only serves to help their goals.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 17, 2014 10:52:20 GMT -5
I might be shocked this game was being created.
If "State of Emergency" hadn't come out over a decade ago.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 17, 2014 11:01:40 GMT -5
I might be shocked this game was being created. If "State of Emergency" hadn't come out over a decade ago. That game was awful. Definitely one of Rockstar's weakest titles. It's still baffling to me that it sold well enough to warrant a sequel.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 17, 2014 11:22:33 GMT -5
I might be shocked this game was being created. If "State of Emergency" hadn't come out over a decade ago. That game was awful. Definitely one of Rockstar's weakest titles. It's still baffling to me that it sold well enough to warrant a sequel. I remember wanting that so bad when it first came out. Found it a few years ago for £1 in a store. Ended up taking it back because it was so bad. Funny thing was, dude behind the counter was like "I understand."
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Post by Cyno on Dec 17, 2014 12:39:22 GMT -5
The original State of Emergency had a LOT of post-GTA3 "Rockstar's next masterpiece" hype around it. Then the game came out and it was utter garbage, but that didn't stop people from buying it. People learned their lesson and ignored SOE2.
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Post by Burst on Dec 17, 2014 12:44:07 GMT -5
Regardless of whether the devs are actually members of any hate group or not, they still come off as rather immature and high schoolish in the way they've approached PR with this game. I think Steam probably let them back on just so they couldn't stir shit about "The game that was too hot for Steam!" or whatever.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 17, 2014 13:49:19 GMT -5
Also people really need to stop using the word "censorship" in cases like this. They keep using that word. It doesn't mean what they think it means. Even if Valve stuck by its decision to not sell the game, they aren't a government entity and certainly not the only place to buy PC games.
Game looks dumb as hell anyway and my Jewish ass isn't going to be buying any games whose dev teams have some members who sympathize with Polish Neo Nazi parties. And even if the CEO of the company fired them, the game still looks dumb as hell in that Postal "murder simulator" sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 14:25:49 GMT -5
The game looks like shit. I was more shocked that State of Emergency was referenced in this thread. I think the controversy here is kinda stupid. There has been games like this before, some with even worse content in it, and Steam can choose whether they want to publish it or not.
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Post by Square on Dec 17, 2014 16:20:26 GMT -5
Whats the difference between this and a game like Postal 2 that is avaliable on Steam, or how about Pandemic where you potentailly can kill billions? It looks interesting and as an adult I have a right to choose whether or not to play it www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3PhvCf_JgFor people complaining about censorship, that's the trailer. No satire, it's not over the top, it's just a power fantasy for a sick deranged person. You go around executing civilians, how can they want that on steam especially in the gamersgate era? Here's some stuff about it.Also for people whining that Postal 2 and Hotline Miami aren't being removed, neither were made by a literal neo-nazi. Also they were both over the top enough that it was more crass and full on then being literally a power-fantasy. Okay, could you please stop being so gratuitously aggressive and insulting towards other people? Aside form the questionable accusation of ties to neo-nazism (and your source being a Tumblr "I want the glamour of activism without actually doing anything constructive because that's work and if you don't admire me you're worse than Hitler" blog does not help the credibility of these accusations), now you're flat-out saying that people who disagree with you are "whining", all while advocating censorship because if something offends YOU, then nobody should be allowed to have it. What is it with people who get offended over fictional violence being so aggressive and intolerant in real life? Yes, it's just a power fantasy and that's the point, it's just that. There's nothing more to it. It's really not that important and not worth getting upset over. I'm also not sure what GamerGate has anything to do with this, and while we're at it, can we stop giving this group a power that they don't have? They are nothing but a bunch of losers who find no other way than spitting bile to make themselves noticed and acting like they are a genuine threat only serves to help their goals. Not sure with your comments there, are you saying that the people looking for ethics and fairness in video games "a bunch of losers"? Cause if so, man come on. You're one of the only damn people on this site I respect, don't be like that!
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 17, 2014 16:52:22 GMT -5
Whats the difference between this and a game like Postal 2 that is avaliable on Steam, or how about Pandemic where you potentailly can kill billions? It looks interesting and as an adult I have a right to choose whether or not to play it You do have a right to play it or not, and any retailer has a right to determine if they carry it or not. Rights go both ways.
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Post by Square on Dec 17, 2014 16:59:19 GMT -5
Whats the difference between this and a game like Postal 2 that is avaliable on Steam, or how about Pandemic where you potentailly can kill billions? It looks interesting and as an adult I have a right to choose whether or not to play it You do have a right to play it or not, and any retailer has a right to determine if they carry it or not. Rights go both ways. However if you carry the exact same style of game on your shelves and you go "on no not this one" isn't that discrimatory? Hatred got pulled because it got flack from a small amount of people, if you look at how it does on Greenlight people want this game
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Post by Cyno on Dec 17, 2014 17:06:50 GMT -5
Hatred got pulled because of a TOS violation. Once it fixed the violation, it got put back up. Either that or Steam didn't want to give the game free PR as "THE GAME 2 HARDK00R FOR STEAM"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 17:09:59 GMT -5
You do have a right to play it or not, and any retailer has a right to determine if they carry it or not. Rights go both ways. However if you carry the exact same style of game on your shelves and you go "on no not this one" isn't that discrimatory? Hatred got pulled because it got flack from a small amount of people, if you look at how it does on Greenlight people want this game Have they even announced why they pulled it for the time they did? I feel like people are just assuming it got pulled because of the flack it recieved (which actually wouldn't be discriminatory, just weighing their options as far as remaining profitable goes). If something is "controversial" it could hurt VAVLE's brand by having in their catalog. Or it could be more profitable to have a "controversial" (though, the concept isn't that original or tantilizing if you ask me. pretty bland idea for the most part) game racking up sales on your digital shelf.
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Post by Square on Dec 17, 2014 17:19:29 GMT -5
However if you carry the exact same style of game on your shelves and you go "on no not this one" isn't that discrimatory? Hatred got pulled because it got flack from a small amount of people, if you look at how it does on Greenlight people want this game Have they even announced why they pulled it for the time they did? I feel like people are just assuming it got pulled because of the flack it recieved (which actually wouldn't be discriminatory, just weighing their options as far as remaining profitable goes). If something is "controversial" it could hurt VAVLE's brand by having in their catalog. Or it could be more profitable to have a "controversial" (though, the concept isn't that original or tantilizing if you ask me. pretty bland idea for the most part) game racking up sales on your digital shelf. This was the comment from Steam when it was pulled "Based on what we've seen on Greenlight we would not publish Hatred on Steam. As such we'll be taking it down," and this is a verified message from Gabe Newell to the makers of Hatred. Video games are art, this is telling a story about someone who reaches the breaking point and may actually be useful in helping to break barriers in mental health stigma. Total Biscuit went into it a lot better than I could (language warning, this is TB after all)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 17:31:36 GMT -5
Have they even announced why they pulled it for the time they did? I feel like people are just assuming it got pulled because of the flack it recieved (which actually wouldn't be discriminatory, just weighing their options as far as remaining profitable goes). If something is "controversial" it could hurt VAVLE's brand by having in their catalog. Or it could be more profitable to have a "controversial" (though, the concept isn't that original or tantilizing if you ask me. pretty bland idea for the most part) game racking up sales on your digital shelf. This was the comment from Steam when it was pulled "Based on what we've seen on Greenlight we would not publish Hatred on Steam. As such we'll be taking it down," and this is a verified message from Gabe Newell to the makers of Hatred. Video games are art, this is telling a story about someone who reaches the breaking point and may actually be useful in helping to break barriers in mental health stigma. Total Biscuit went into it a lot better than I could (language warning, this is TB after all) haha, so "no" is the short answer for that one. I saw that initial statement (which didn't really give a reason, just stated they were taking it down) retraction as well, which is good. Unless the makers of the game are involved in some unscrupulous stuff, there was no real reason to take it down. I doubt they'll ever actually say why they took it down, but they don't really HAVE to since they're a privately held company. Yeah, like I said, I would have kept it up, but they've honestly created more buzz for a game that probably would have only sold so-so before this. So good on Valve for basically upping their sales of this one.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 17, 2014 17:39:51 GMT -5
You do have a right to play it or not, and any retailer has a right to determine if they carry it or not. Rights go both ways. However if you carry the exact same style of game on your shelves and you go "on no not this one" isn't that discrimatory? Hatred got pulled because it got flack from a small amount of people, if you look at how it does on Greenlight people want this game They're allowed to have discernment on what titles they sell and what they don't, and if they feel that Hatred crossed a line that Pandemic didn't whether it be in degree of fidelity or interface, they're under no obligation to be a distributor for it just because they have other games where people die in their library. If people did want it and Steam didn't put it back up, consumers could have easily gotten the game straight from the developer. They're not trampling on anyone's rights if they choose not to sell it. Whether other people upvote it after this drew attention to them isn't really relevant. "I have a right to choose to play it" is not the same thing as "You don't have the right to not carry it."
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 17, 2014 17:44:06 GMT -5
I can't stop laughing at Hatred's little "yeah we did it!" thumbs up on the official site.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 17, 2014 17:47:39 GMT -5
I care much more about Valve being "discriminatory" towards EA games that are newer than Mass Effect 2. Unless Origin isn't a buggy mess of code anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 18:54:11 GMT -5
Wow, I'd heard about this game but hadn't actually seen the trailer til now, and yeah, that looks like shit. Like Postal or GTA without any of the humor.
I don't think the creator is a neo-Nazi but I do think he's shown some really, really questionable judgment. Liking a Polish anti-Islam group on Facebook doesn't exactly paint the best picture of the guy, especially when you tie it in with the game's usage of the phrase "genocide crusade."
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