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Post by benstudd on Dec 23, 2014 1:47:23 GMT -5
I have a feeling it's never going to amount more than what is going on now. He'll be the monster to put over how great the face are. He'll be like Umaga. Vince cannot appreciate these sort of guys. Sure Luke is a better wrestler than big guys that cannot move but he doesn't care.
Take this match against Ziggler, I thought it was insulting as a wrestling fan. The guy dominated, not only killed the guy but outwrestled him. And he cannot beat him cause of what? Magic? It made zero sense.
Come on WWE, I don't mind all these underdog fights with a big guy vs a little guy where the small guy win but most of the time the monster should win given the difference in size. Not only that but Luke Harper is not some brainless block, he usually outthink and outwrestle his opponents. He should be able to win his own matches, even if he's a heel.
But the WWE don't view him like that, he'll be in a long line of big monsters just there to make the babyfaces look good. I knew when he and Rowan could not beat the Usos for the tag titles what the future held for him.
Luke Harper is great, let him shine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 1:50:18 GMT -5
I agree with everything what you're saying.
But please, put it in some sort of readable format. I'm not even trying to make fun of you but don't load things up like that on a message board. Either put spaces like I do after a bit, or indent, do what you have to do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 9:52:42 GMT -5
Harper's a main eventer in my eyes. Him vs. anyone is going to be something worth watching.
But, Ziggler is too. He's getting a big push right now, and with the WWE Champion never really around the IC title is a bigger deal than it used to be. Harper being on Ziggler's level isn't a bad look for him. He does need to move onto another feud though, and win it.
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Post by walterharrow on Dec 23, 2014 10:07:52 GMT -5
I honestly think Harper feels like a bigger deal than Bray Wyatt (at least he has done lately). He looks great everytime he appears (even if he loses) and constantly puts on good to great matches
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 23, 2014 13:36:09 GMT -5
It's how WWE has always booked. For the most casual mark. It's for the people turning in for the first time and not knowing who either guy is. They'll think "wow, how can that smaller guy ever beat that huge monsterish looking guy?!" And it's exciting to them, boring and predictable for anyone that watched the product for more than a month.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 23, 2014 18:57:16 GMT -5
Not everyone can be a main eventer from day one. Harper has only been around a couple of years, he is incredible in the ring, he is going to make it. Let's let some of the guys who've already been around a few years and been shat on make it to the top.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 23, 2014 19:02:32 GMT -5
This Harper push got me feelin' some type of way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 19:08:49 GMT -5
Not everyone can be a main eventer from day one. Harper has only been around a couple of years, he is incredible in the ring, he is going to make it. Let's let some of the guys who've already been around a few years and been shat on make it to the top. This. I'm seeing a lot of threads about guys not being used to their full potential right out the gate and I disagree with that mindset. We can't have everyone as a main eventer immediately, they need to grow and gradually get there. Bret, Shawn, Cena, Batista, Orton, Edge, Triple H, guys like this gradually had to work to get to their spot and they eventually reached that point. I love the idea of seeing these guys start off on the lower level and work their way up. It's a blast to the past and frankly we need to see it more. I haven't liked the company shooting guys up the roster like they tried to do with Sheamus, doesn't work. When Harper's time hits he will be ready.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 23, 2014 19:12:17 GMT -5
Maybe they have a long term plan for him with structured coherent booking which will explain why they decided to break him from a high profile distinct faction in favour of jobbing to the stale 42 year old Big Show.
Let's wait and see.
*coughs*
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 19:19:31 GMT -5
Not everyone can be a main eventer from day one. Harper has only been around a couple of years, he is incredible in the ring, he is going to make it. Let's let some of the guys who've already been around a few years and been shat on make it to the top. This. I'm seeing a lot of threads about guys not being used to their full potential right out the gate and I disagree with that mindset. We can't have everyone as a main eventer immediately, they need to grow and gradually get there. Bret, Shawn, Cena, Batista, Orton, Edge, Triple H, guys like this gradually had to work to get to their spot and they eventually reached that point. I love the idea of seeing these guys start off on the lower level and work their way up. It's a blast to the past and frankly we need to see it more. I haven't liked the company shooting guys up the roster like they tried to do with Sheamus, doesn't work. When Harper's time hits he will be ready. I agree that we need to see more of this. Problem is that "working their way up" and "growing" at this point seems to consist of guys near constantly laying on their back for someone higher in the pecking order. Some guys are lucky that WWE will remember them and decide to feature them more and "make them look really strong" while others just end up being either jobbed out or forgotten. And Sheamus being shot up the roster did work. It was only when they tried to build him towards being the future "face of the company" that it blew up in their faces.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Dec 23, 2014 19:21:00 GMT -5
He's been one of the most bland and nondescript dudes on the entire roster since the Wyatt Family split up, and that makes me sad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 19:22:04 GMT -5
I have to say, I haven't been hugely impressed by Harper so far. I hadn't seen much of Brodie Lee outside killing Tim Donst but what I've seen so far hasn't really been great. He's where he should be for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 19:42:19 GMT -5
I honestly think Harper feels like a bigger deal than Bray Wyatt (at least he has done lately). He looks great everytime he appears (even if he loses) and constantly puts on good to great matches I thought people who said Harper would be a bigger star than Wyatt were crazy, but I think we're seeing that right now. Wyatt has been losing stream since April, while Harper is only gaining. Wyatt's the stick guy, but Harper just has this great look and a kooky weird-ass wrestling style that's getting him over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 14:55:34 GMT -5
I honestly think Harper feels like a bigger deal than Bray Wyatt (at least he has done lately). He looks great everytime he appears (even if he loses) and constantly puts on good to great matches I thought people who said Harper would be a bigger star than Wyatt were crazy, but I think we're seeing that right now. Wyatt has been losing stream since April, while Harper is only gaining. Wyatt's the stick guy, but Harper just has this great look and a kooky weird-ass wrestling style that's getting him over. Wyatt has main evented several PPV's this year, been in the best match on several and just won the main event of the last PPV and this past RAW clean. Harper comes out to absolute silence and the only times he gets any reaction is a ladder match spot that nearly removes his arm or when he hits a high impact move. He can't even get the yeahyeahyeah thing over with the audience after 18 months. Really not seeing the Harper above Wyatt stuff at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 15:30:06 GMT -5
After it was confirmed that face Batista was supposed to go on to main event WM and Bryan wasn't WWE has lost their "wait and see" credits with me (that and a bunch of other stuff too).
The "wait and see" era is over, people.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 24, 2014 15:34:22 GMT -5
It could be worse, he could be Erick Rowan who's a bypass waiting for a personality. I quite like Harper's gimmick, unkempt slob who can kick your ass.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 25, 2014 11:11:35 GMT -5
Not everyone can be a main eventer from day one. Harper has only been around a couple of years, he is incredible in the ring, he is going to make it. Let's let some of the guys who've already been around a few years and been shat on make it to the top. When has it ever been about paying your dues in the WWE? It's about hot shotting the guy they like in that time of the month. The thing is, look at the other guys, if Rusev has been ready, I don't see why Harper cannot be.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 25, 2014 11:21:30 GMT -5
I thought people who said Harper would be a bigger star than Wyatt were crazy, but I think we're seeing that right now. Wyatt has been losing stream since April, while Harper is only gaining. Wyatt's the stick guy, but Harper just has this great look and a kooky weird-ass wrestling style that's getting him over. Wyatt has main evented several PPV's this year, been in the best match on several and just won the main event of the last PPV and this past RAW clean. Harper comes out to absolute silence and the only times he gets any reaction is a ladder match spot that nearly removes his arm or when he hits a high impact move. He can't even get the yeahyeahyeah thing over with the audience after 18 months. Really not seeing the Harper above Wyatt stuff at all. The guy can flat out wrestle, though. Harper is pretty much most of the time in the best performances of the night in the ring. And that's amazing cause of his size. If you put the two things together, the sky's the limit with him, if they don't have huge plans for him, it won't make much sense. Cause he has all the elements.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 11:27:56 GMT -5
Maybe they have a long term plan for him with structured coherent booking which will explain why they decided to break him from a high profile distinct faction in favour of jobbing to the stale 42 year old Big Show. Let's wait and see. *coughs* I don't even think Luke Harper and the Big Show have had a singles match since Harper left the Wyatts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 11:50:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I love Harper, think he has great presence and is awesome in the ring... I cannot remotely buy him as a main eventer. I just don't see it. He's a solid upper-midcard heel, it's a good position to have, keep with that.
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