Jeff Mangum PI
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The 2nd Coming
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Dec 24, 2014 23:13:50 GMT -5
From the Observer:
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The Unconquered Sun
King Koopa
He has no pants! What a heathen!
Lord of Storms and Kittens!
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 24, 2014 23:17:14 GMT -5
Note to self; if i ever motherf*** my employees, make sure it's NOT recorded and avaible for everybody to hear.
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 24, 2014 23:22:49 GMT -5
Besides Cena and maybe Batista, over the last ten years. who hasn't been a victim of start and stop booking? Even Orton has been a victim.
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4TheGlory
Vegeta
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Post by 4TheGlory on Dec 24, 2014 23:24:50 GMT -5
Luke Harper's reaction seconds after the podcast interview:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 23:51:21 GMT -5
If this is true, it's not Triple H's blame to take for something they clearly knew wasn't. Vince is the one at fault here.
I say that as someone who's generally not a fan of the guy.
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bob
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The "other" Bob. FOC COURSE!
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Post by bob on Dec 25, 2014 0:04:36 GMT -5
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 25, 2014 0:30:13 GMT -5
Besides Cena and maybe Batista, over the last ten years. who hasn't been a victim of start and stop booking? Even Orton has been a victim. All of Orton's booking problems are directly related to Triple H.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 25, 2014 0:33:53 GMT -5
Morale should be at the same level it was before the Austin/McMahon interview, because Vince said nothing that wouldn't have been known before
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 25, 2014 0:37:56 GMT -5
Morale should be at the same level it was before the Austin/McMahon interview, because Vince said nothing that wouldn't have been known before He publicly said that a guy basically was too Swiss to be at a high level. Morale sure as shit won't be stagnant after that.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 25, 2014 0:39:20 GMT -5
If this is true, it's not Triple H's blame to take for something they clearly knew wasn't. Vince is the one at fault here. I say that as someone who's generally not a fan of the guy. In this instance he's like Johnny Ace. People damned Ace, hated him for firing people, but really he was just acting on the orders of Vince. With Trips he's trying to keep the locker room together, and trying to keep Vince happy, so he gets some unearned hatred, because he's the dude in the middle. He can't come out and say to them "I agree with you guys, this is bullshit, and this will be something that goes when myself and Steph get power. So just hang in there." Hunter was in a no win situation.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 25, 2014 0:39:31 GMT -5
Cesaro would have known that WWE doesn't rate him before the interview.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 25, 2014 0:45:01 GMT -5
Cesaro would have known that WWE doesn't rate him before the interview. Why do you think it's just that easy to ignore your boss publicly knocking your charisma, your nationality and blaming you for the horrible shit the writers did to you post the biggest PPV of the year? Or every hard worker backstage (Ziggler for example) being basically called out for not "grabbing mythical brass rings" despite everything he's accomplished? It doesn't matter if you have a suspicion that the office doesn't like you, calling you out in a public forum that the company was hardcore advertising for f***ing hurts.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 25, 2014 1:09:30 GMT -5
Cesaro would have known that WWE doesn't rate him before the interview. Why do you think it's just that easy to ignore your boss publicly knocking your charisma, your nationality and blaming you for the horrible shit the writers did to you post the biggest PPV of the year? Or every hard worker backstage (Ziggler for example) being basically called out for not "grabbing mythical brass rings" despite everything he's accomplished? It doesn't matter if you have a suspicion that the office doesn't like you, calling you out in a public forum that the company was hardcore advertising for f***ing hurts. Like I said, he would have known beforehand that Vince didn't think much of him. The shitty booking would have proven that. My guess is that he's content to simply stay in WWE until they release him, confident that he can make money in Japan or on the indie scene after getting some WWE exposure for a few years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 1:40:55 GMT -5
Why do you think it's just that easy to ignore your boss publicly knocking your charisma, your nationality and blaming you for the horrible shit the writers did to you post the biggest PPV of the year? Or every hard worker backstage (Ziggler for example) being basically called out for not "grabbing mythical brass rings" despite everything he's accomplished? It doesn't matter if you have a suspicion that the office doesn't like you, calling you out in a public forum that the company was hardcore advertising for f***ing hurts. Like I said, he would have known beforehand that Vince didn't think much of him. The shitty booking would have proven that. My guess is that he's content to simply stay in WWE until they release him, confident that he can make money in Japan or on the indie scene after getting some WWE exposure for a few years. Probably sticks around for the same reason that we stick around here watching and talking and hoping the stupid thing gets better. With all the money, resources and knowledge housed in that company there's no reason for things to be as bleak as they are. Wrestlers dream of making it in the WWE so it's gotta be extremely tough to let that go. Edit: As for the main story I really hope that the roster does something, I don't know what. I would hate for this bad blood to just fester, the WWE is so broken right now they need a kick in the teeth bad.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 25, 2014 1:48:04 GMT -5
Why do you think it's just that easy to ignore your boss publicly knocking your charisma, your nationality and blaming you for the horrible shit the writers did to you post the biggest PPV of the year? Or every hard worker backstage (Ziggler for example) being basically called out for not "grabbing mythical brass rings" despite everything he's accomplished? It doesn't matter if you have a suspicion that the office doesn't like you, calling you out in a public forum that the company was hardcore advertising for f***ing hurts. Like I said, he would have known beforehand that Vince didn't think much of him. The shitty booking would have proven that. My guess is that he's content to simply stay in WWE until they release him, confident that he can make money in Japan or on the indie scene after getting some WWE exposure for a few years. So? I don't get how you can say they shouldn't have lower morale because "oh they already knew, why be bothered?" It's still a public statement made in front of hundreds of thousands of people, as opposed to murmurs backstage. It's like you're belittling them for having feelings or something.
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Boo!
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Dec 25, 2014 2:01:31 GMT -5
The reaction is the problem though. If the response is to mope around backstage and bitch discretely to Meltzer rather than outright confronting Vince on it, maybe it shows maybe he had a point after all? There'd be a time when the guys in the back would have confronted Vince directly over what he said. Sure there's no union but there's still collective power and influence. You don't even need the top guys to get involved, if everyone is so upset and angry get 20 of you to demand changes/an explanation.
Vince is there to be challenged - look at his history, he's used to and probably prefers people who can confront him. Maybe his comments were intended to provoke a reaction.
It's a cancerous combination - stale mid-90s level creative and a locker room who when push comes to shove are happy just to collect the pay cheque. In the 90s you had members of the roster actively pushing McMahon to change direction and he eventually did, now we don't even have that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 2:15:25 GMT -5
Wrestlers that are being hit by their peers in the ring nightly, who travel long distances per show, who perform many times a week, and who periodically argue on the internet are unhappy?
I call newz.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 25, 2014 2:18:19 GMT -5
Wrestlers that are being hit by their peers in the ring nightly, who travel long distances per show, who perform many times a week, and who periodically argue on the internet are unhappy? I call newz. Why? That's like dismissing those in Nebraska who claim to be depressed because of their jobs because 'they already live in Nebraska'
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 25, 2014 2:19:06 GMT -5
The reaction is the problem though. If the response is to mope around backstage and bitch discretely to Meltzer rather than outright confronting Vince on it, maybe it shows maybe he had a point after all? There'd be a time when the guys in the back would have confronted Vince directly over what he said. Sure there's no union but there's still collective power and influence. You don't even need the top guys to get involved, if everyone is so upset and angry get 20 of you to demand changes/an explanation. Vince is there to be challenged - look at his history, he's used to and probably prefers people who can confront him. Maybe his comments were intended to provoke a reaction. It's a cancerous combination - stale mid-90s level creative and a locker room who when push comes to shove are happy just to collect the pay cheque. In the 90s you had members of the roster actively pushing McMahon to change direction and he eventually did, now we don't even have that. He'll like guys confronting him...until he doesn't. And given that he's batshit insane, whether or not he likes a guy confronting him will come down to maybe how much gas he has on a given day. If his farts are particularly bad, he may be happy you confronted him because he'll be too busy laughing at his stenches; too middling, and he'll be frustrated and toss your ass out. It's not like Vince is always happy to see guys call him out for bullshit, and these guys don't have another major national/international company to jump to. It's easy to say "just man up and challenge him!' when it isn't your job, well being, and family's income on the line.
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Boo!
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Post by Boo! on Dec 25, 2014 2:25:40 GMT -5
The reaction is the problem though. If the response is to mope around backstage and bitch discretely to Meltzer rather than outright confronting Vince on it, maybe it shows maybe he had a point after all? There'd be a time when the guys in the back would have confronted Vince directly over what he said. Sure there's no union but there's still collective power and influence. You don't even need the top guys to get involved, if everyone is so upset and angry get 20 of you to demand changes/an explanation. Vince is there to be challenged - look at his history, he's used to and probably prefers people who can confront him. Maybe his comments were intended to provoke a reaction. It's a cancerous combination - stale mid-90s level creative and a locker room who when push comes to shove are happy just to collect the pay cheque. In the 90s you had members of the roster actively pushing McMahon to change direction and he eventually did, now we don't even have that. He'll like guys confronting him...until he doesn't. And given that he's batshit insane, whether or not he likes a guy confronting him will come down to maybe how much gas he has on a given day. If his farts are particularly bad, he may be happy you confronted him because he'll be too busy laughing at his stenches; too middling, and he'll be frustrated and toss your ass out. It's not like Vince is always happy to see guys call him out for bullshit, and these guys don't have another major national/international company to jump to. It's easy to say "just man up and challenge him!' when it isn't your job, well being, and family's income on the line. It's a risk that someone needs to take. I mentioned it in other threads but most of the greatest creative output whether it be in music, arts, film or even wrestling - has often been the result of heated arguments and clashes. One side pushing one agenda, the other side pushing the other - whether it be feuding band members or even the Monday Night Wars - passivity is the death knell of any creative venture. Right now all you have is WWE's side. The rest of the 'band' have given up, they're no longer fighting over every lyric and every note of every song and it shows and it sucks. It's not entirely their fault but partially it is.
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