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Post by 67 more on Dec 27, 2014 8:30:43 GMT -5
Because they aren't world champions. They might well be the best team in the world, but you can't be world champions by winning a national league. There is no such thing as the 'World Championships of American Football", so there can be no world champions. I've never understood why American sports feel the need to add that bit on. Isn't being able to call yourselves NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB champions good enough? Again, if the league in sports is the top league and the one foreign stars try to go to to really prove they made it, that does give a case- much like the WWE has its case by top foreign talent coming there to really prove themselves, the American leagues there can say "World Championships for those leagues." And on the same token- even if it's claimed that's not enough for other sports: Everyone claiming "the American leagues don't count because its not world titles!" know in their heart, if the MLS Cup-winning LA Galaxy managed to upset Real Madrid, you'd claim "Fluke! It's a fluke! Real Madrid are still the world champs because they won the Champions' League!" Nitpicky, but the Champions League is a European tournament. It's the Club World Cup that's the world club tournament.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Dec 27, 2014 9:05:45 GMT -5
Because they aren't world champions. They might well be the best team in the world, but you can't be world champions by winning a national league. There is no such thing as the 'World Championships of American Football", so there can be no world champions. I've never understood why American sports feel the need to add that bit on. Isn't being able to call yourselves NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB champions good enough? Again, if the league in sports is the top league and the one foreign stars try to go to to really prove they made it, that does give a case- much like the WWE has its case by top foreign talent coming there to really prove themselves, the American leagues there can say "World Championships for those leagues." And on the same token- even if it's claimed that's not enough for other sports: Everyone claiming "the American leagues don't count because its not world titles!" know in their heart, if the MLS Cup-winning LA Galaxy managed to upset Real Madrid, you'd claim "Fluke! It's a fluke! Real Madrid are still the world champs because they won the Champions' League!" As somebody else just said, there is a distinction between individual sports (shoot or otherwise) and team sports. It is an individual who wins the WWE Title, and that individual can be from anywhere. A team wins the Superbowl, and that team can only be from the United States. Nobody calls Real Madrid the world champions on the basis they won the Champions League. They are the champions of Europe. By winning the Club World Cup I guess they are now also the world champions, but that competition is so lightly regarded in comparison it's a much bigger deal being able to call yourselves champions of Europe. In any event, if LA Galaxy won the Club World Cup (regardless of who was in it) they would have every right to call themselves world champs.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 27, 2014 9:36:48 GMT -5
ROH is the only indy I accept being a world title (much like the ECW title). Any other indy does not have a world title despite what they claim. So you won't except CZW's world title even though the company has done a tour in England, Germany, and Japan for 4 years now as well as the belt being defended in Italy and France as well, or Gabe's titles even though they've just signed a 5 year deal to tour China once a year? Because technically, they do more outside the country than ROH does.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 27, 2014 11:10:12 GMT -5
Just because it is called a World Championship, does not automatically mean the world is Earth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 12:09:49 GMT -5
The most ridiculous case is the "IWA Mid-South World Championship." It's really called that, because it was defended overseas. Mid-South Championship of the World!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 27, 2014 12:17:40 GMT -5
The most ridiculous case is the "IWA Mid-South World Championship." It's really called that, because it was defended overseas. Mid-South Championship of the World! Well, I'm sure America isn't the only country in the World with a "Mid-South".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 13:44:40 GMT -5
Wrestling is a work. a made up belt on a scripted entertainment show can be called anything they want it to so why not go all the way and go for "world".
What annoys me is when legit sports have a world title when they are national sports. It only really happens in America ie the world series which is always competed for by 2 American teams in a sports only Americans play.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 14:13:20 GMT -5
Wrestling is a work. a made up belt on a scripted entertainment show can be called anything they want it to so why not go all the way and go for "world". What annoys me is when legit sports have a world title when they are national sports. It only really happens in America ie the world series which is always competed for by 2 American teams in a sports only Americans play. Saying only Americans play baseball is laughable. Not everything is about Europe.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 27, 2014 14:25:27 GMT -5
ROH is the only indy I accept being a world title (much like the ECW title). Any other indy does not have a world title despite what they claim. So you won't except CZW's world title even though the company has done a tour in England, Germany, and Japan for 4 years now as well as the belt being defended in Italy and France as well, or Gabe's titles even though they've just signed a 5 year deal to tour China once a year? Because technically, they do more outside the country than ROH does. I only accept the ROH title because it's in that awkward phase between indy and mainstream, much like ECW. However, CZW is still firmly an indy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 15:02:36 GMT -5
Wrestling is a work. a made up belt on a scripted entertainment show can be called anything they want it to so why not go all the way and go for "world". What annoys me is when legit sports have a world title when they are national sports. It only really happens in America ie the world series which is always competed for by 2 American teams in a sports only Americans play. Saying only Americans play baseball is laughable. Not everything is about Europe. only American teams play in the world series though. In fact other than the odd Asian country it is only American countries that play baseball really. America is a large continent, not everything is about the USA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 15:07:49 GMT -5
Just because it is called a World Championship, does not automatically mean the world is Earth. The Earthican Heavyweight Championship!!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 27, 2014 15:22:17 GMT -5
Saying only Americans play baseball is laughable. Not everything is about Europe. only American teams play in the world series though. Checkmate!
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Dec 27, 2014 15:39:06 GMT -5
Who cares if the company tours the world? I'm sure wrestlers from around the world are more than welcome to travel to the high school gyma and VFW halls these shows are held to challenge for these world titles. If I started a goofball wrestling fed I would have a Universal Heavyweight Champion. He would beat an alien in his first match. It's weird, the World Wrestling Council has a Universal Title. That title hasn't been defended on other planets! Although Dory Funk, Jr did win the title o a International Championship Wrestling card in Bangor, Maine.... So close enough. I thought we all agreed a long time ago that only PWI could decide what was or wasn't a World Title... for some reason. I always found it weird that PWI wouldn't recognize some companies' claim to being a world title (indie era NWA Title, USWA Title, ECW Title before the TNN deal, etc) but they have no problem referring to the WWC Universal Title as a Universal Title. Maybe they just think a "Universal Title" is so grandiose that it's too ridiculous to slit hairs over.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2014 15:48:55 GMT -5
Wrestling is a work. a made up belt on a scripted entertainment show can be called anything they want it to so why not go all the way and go for "world". What annoys me is when legit sports have a world title when they are national sports. It only really happens in America ie the world series which is always competed for by 2 American teams in a sports only Americans play. Probably, in part, since athletes go to the US to try to join the teams. If, say, Peru wanted in on the action, they'd get utterly destroyed, in all likelihood, having fewer resources to offer players to keep them from going to by far the bigger market and more likely to succeed teams. It's still the best players in the world playing for it. That is the reasoning, I imagine.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 27, 2014 16:04:59 GMT -5
Take my word on it, you gotta be tough to be the champion of Bumf***, Tennessee. It has it's perks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 17:32:57 GMT -5
only American teams play in the world series though. Checkmate! Canada is part of the continent known as "America". but yeah I did mean USA and I guess we do have it in the UK, we just call it "rounders" and it's something they make you play in P.E (thats Gym Class) that doesn't actually have a league (well it probably does, but its obscure enough that I've never heard of such a thing)
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 27, 2014 19:33:27 GMT -5
If it's your only singles title, it's not necessary. If you have a secondary title, there should be something in there to distinguish the main one as the biggest belt in the company.
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