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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 28, 2014 6:05:09 GMT -5
Was it considered as big of a deal then as it would have been at WrestleMania VIII? I mean did Bash at the Beach have a big level of hype or was it meaningless because it was early 90s WCW and not WRESTLEMANIA and WWF?
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 28, 2014 6:40:31 GMT -5
Remember the bafflement at blowing through Joe/Angle? It was still enjoyable, and hype, but imagine that with the 2 biggest names in pro-wrestling history.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 28, 2014 11:11:17 GMT -5
They made a huge deal of it. Wcw had never ever promoted a match that way. Ads in USA today(had never been done), TV spots during prim time, press conferences, CNN covered it, they papered the Orlando area with fliers. They brought in celebrities, did indoor pyro and it they had never really been that good at that, they even cleaned the belt. In short they put everything they had into it. Yes it was a big deal, but it was WCW's first crack at doing so and they were not experts. WWF had they so elected, would have made it into the biggest thing in the history of the world
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Post by ICBM on Dec 28, 2014 11:14:22 GMT -5
Oh hey and on the Joe vs Angle "blow through", I know they could have made way more, but I forgave them instantly because nobody ever does that when a big name jumps and you get teased with it. The promoter says oh we will do that in a few months, then they blow it. Something happens and you don't ever get it or you get it and it no longer matters. Hogan vs Bret, Goldberg vs Lesnar, Sting v Taker (I am fuming that this isn't happening). All of these and tens more were sure thing dream matches and they never happened or didn't matter when they did
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Dec 28, 2014 11:15:35 GMT -5
I still don't understand why the WWF never had that match at WrestleMania VIII.
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Post by repomark on Dec 28, 2014 11:25:57 GMT -5
I still don't understand why the WWF never had that match at WrestleMania VIII. Me either. I think the official WWE reason, that they refer to in several documentaries including the True Story of Wrestlemania, is that they tried the match at a few house shows and it did not do the business that they expected. I think the actual reason was that Hogan wanted to leave after mania and make movies, hence they could not have him win the belt. That seems the most plausible theory, but a lot of money thrown down the drain right there. |
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 28, 2014 11:30:02 GMT -5
I still don't understand why the WWF never had that match at WrestleMania VIII. Hogan didn't want to lose to Flair. |
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Dec 28, 2014 11:43:18 GMT -5
I still don't understand why the WWF never had that match at WrestleMania VIII. Hogan didn't want to lose to Flair. It didn't have to be a title match. They could have had the Macho Man win the Rumble and the title and defend it against Jake "The Snake" Roberts. And, Hogan's retirement match could have been against Flair. |
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 28, 2014 12:35:41 GMT -5
Hogan didn't want to lose to Flair. It didn't have to be a title match. They could have had the Macho Man win the Rumble and the title and defend it against Jake "The Snake" Roberts. And, Hogan's retirement match could have been against Flair. Who does Sid Justice wrestle? |
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Post by Boo! on Dec 28, 2014 12:47:45 GMT -5
I still don't understand why the WWF never had that match at WrestleMania VIII. Vince promised Sid a WM main event with Hogan as part of the negotiations to get him from WCW |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 28, 2014 12:47:49 GMT -5
I still don't understand why the WWF never had that match at WrestleMania VIII. Hogan didn't want to lose to Flair. But Savage beat Flair, so wouldn't Hogan have won that match too? |
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 28, 2014 13:01:10 GMT -5
Hogan didn't want to lose to Flair. But Savage beat Flair, so wouldn't Hogan have won that match too? According to Flair's book, he was supposed to defeat Savage but the Macho Man wanted one more run with the title. Therefore the result was changed. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Dec 28, 2014 13:14:15 GMT -5
It did big business, both at the gate and on PPV. You can criticize WCW for a lot of things, but Flair vs. Hogan they got right.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Dec 28, 2014 14:22:29 GMT -5
It didn't have to be a title match. They could have had the Macho Man win the Rumble and the title and defend it against Jake "The Snake" Roberts. And, Hogan's retirement match could have been against Flair. Who does Sid Justice wrestle? The Undertaker. Bill it as the Battle Of The Giants. |
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 28, 2014 14:34:49 GMT -5
Who does Sid Justice wrestle? The Undertaker. Bill it as the Battle Of The Giants. Good match, but then there would be no WrestleMania Streak.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 28, 2014 15:22:26 GMT -5
I think the real knock WCW gets for that is that it didn't happen at Starrcade 1994.
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 28, 2014 18:14:15 GMT -5
Fun match.
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Post by revolver86 on Dec 28, 2014 18:44:32 GMT -5
Just watched it (thanks network!) It was pretty fun and hyped as hell, but man did Austin/Steamboat blew it out of the water. How WCW didn't see money in Steve Austin is baffling.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 28, 2014 19:08:30 GMT -5
I think Rude's career ending neck injury changed some booking plans. Personally I'd have Flair turn heel and keep the Sting feud going for the WCW title and bring in Hogan to take on Rude for the International belt. We hadn't seen Hogan/Rude before really, so it would have been interesting. Then keep things going for Hogan/Flair in a unification at Starrcade 1994 where WCW would have made mega $$. At HH 1994 they could have done a fun tag match with Hogan/Sting vs. Flair/Rude.
Oddly enough with WWF 1992 I kinda think they did the right thing. Flair/Savage were such natural rivals that it made for a better feud. The problem with Hogan and Flair is that both men ironically enough have similar styles of selling a ton. Hogan usually would sell for a monster heel, Flair for a monster face. It isn't a real natural match from a wrestling perspective.
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Post by Saul Goodman on Dec 28, 2014 19:20:57 GMT -5
I think the real knock WCW gets for that is that it didn't happen at Starrcade 1994. WCW had to make this match as soon as Hogan signed because they were paying him a lot of money and wanted a return as fast as possible. The folks at Turner did not understand that if they waited a little longer then may have been able to make even more money. The way many companies work is that if they do not see a big return in their investments then it is a failure. Lets say that they made Hogans first match against someone who was a midcarder like Kevin Sullivan. Sullivan VS Hogan might draw money only because Hogan was in the match and it was his first WCW match. However, it would not make nearly as much as Hogan Vs Flair. I think if they did not have Hogan Vs Flair right away then WCW may have been out of business much sooner than they were. The higher ups at Tuner would claim that Hogan was costing the company a lot more than they were getting in return and claim that if Hogan can't make WCW money than no one could and they would have killed the promotion all together. |
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