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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2014 22:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I went back and deleted my somewhat jokey response to that as well.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2014 22:34:15 GMT -5
I sort of look at Bryan's return in much the same way I do Triple H when he had his big injury return and was very popular. Difference being, I'd like if they do give him the win and title program, they do so without the kind of baggage Triple H and Jericho had to contend with, with a half-baked angle.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 31, 2014 22:56:17 GMT -5
It's as thread discusing WM plans. Are we that over sensitive that unless you agree with the consensus it's 'flaming'? This board is full of people disagreeing over Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, Usos, Cesaro - you name it. ONE person (there was someone earlier on too) has a different opinion on Bryan and it's 'flaming'. Maybe the reason why it's only one person is because these threads all go the same way. Any thread about Bryan not treated as an appreciation thread and the outcome is the same. Maybe I'm denser than the others who learned to bite their tongue and simply not participate in them for these reasons. This...this is why no one believe you when you talk about how you're not a troll Has the season where wrestling fans become suicidal emo teens already snuck upon us? The year goes so quickly, doesn't it? You act like this and people will see you as a troll because you're acting like one. Come in and have a good idea and it works, someone was talking about preferring Dolph earlier with no issues. Someone talked about how Roman might be the better choice because of age and he wasn't attack, he just had his facts checked and asked to explain himself which if he didn't someone else did. Notice the theme there, they didn't call people "suicidal emo teens" and act like a damned troll. Not for nothing but I've experienced the same thing this guy has on this board despite posting legitimate points about it and have gotten the same kind of responses from people. And when I was blatantly flamed by these people, I was always the one yelled at for apparently starting things (aka stating my opinion) while the others got off scott free. Especially when someone in power uses quotes like "The hatred and refusal to see anything is getting tiring" to me is not right. That to me comes off as you saying "You're opinion is wrong and not wanting to agree with everyone else's won't fly here." I didn't want to get into this mess but I would expect that the rules of the forum actually be followed and I'm fairly certain calling someone a troll because they disagree with you is flaming. But I guess I now have to post my opinion on Bryan vs Lesnar here. I personally don't see this year and last year in the same vein in terms of Bryan not being champion. Last year it was a booking decision, this year it's an injury thing. He's not champion because he got hurt. That to me does not imply "Well he should get the title back right away for the reign that he deserves that he never got." Well considering again it was injury, to me that's a matter of "shit happens" and he needs to wait in line for when the moment is right for him. Do I think the moment is right for Bryan now? No because I'd rather see two monster-esque guys fight in Lesnar's last match instead of the underdog story. I don't want God losing to the unlikeliest of underdogs, seems like a waste to me.
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Dec 31, 2014 23:02:14 GMT -5
Has the season where wrestling fans become suicidal emo teens already snuck upon us? The year goes so quickly, doesn't it? Well, This was totally uncalled for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 23:04:07 GMT -5
I sort of look at Bryan's return in much the same way I do Triple H when he had his big injury return and was very popular. Difference being, I'd like if they do give him the win and title program, they do so without the kind of baggage Triple H and Jericho had to contend with, with a half-baked angle. To this day I still don't really get why exactly we were supposed to want to see Triple H rush right to winning the Rumble and being in the Mania main event. It's probably part of why the face turn was such a flop and so quickly abandoned, but the entire basis for it seemed to be that he got hurt and Jericho's the one who did it. That's really it, and even then, Triple H did nothing to redeem himself while Jericho wasn't exactly looking to injure him when it happened. And I don't even remember them playing up that element of it much regardless. Then again I was the kind of kid who just liked who I liked. I was the kid who when Christian challenged Rock for the WCW title was rooting for him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2014 23:08:16 GMT -5
I sort of look at Bryan's return in much the same way I do Triple H when he had his big injury return and was very popular. Difference being, I'd like if they do give him the win and title program, they do so without the kind of baggage Triple H and Jericho had to contend with, with a half-baked angle. To this day I still don't really get why exactly we were supposed to want to see Triple H rush right to winning the Rumble and being in the Mania main event. It's probably part of why the face turn was such a flop and so quickly abandoned, but the entire basis for it seemed to be that he got hurt and Jericho's the one who did it. That's really it, and even then, Triple H did nothing to redeem himself while Jericho wasn't exactly looking to injure him when it happened. And I don't even remember them playing up that element of it much regardless. Then again I was the kind of kid who just liked who I liked. I was the kid who when Christian challenged Rock for the WCW title was rooting for him. He was really damn over when he came back, the issue was mainly that I think they looked at Stephanie as an obstacle to rid him of as a face but put entirely too much focus on it, when they could have just easily not really acknowledged it and kept them separated. Triple H comes back as the fiery babyface, feuding with Undisputed champion Jericho, and naturally, the angle is about their divorce and their dog, and I think someone stepped in the dog's poop for the har-har moment. It was pretty much the epitome of "putting the comedy before the angle" booking that often hinders WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 23:12:27 GMT -5
Lesnar/Bryan is worthy of a WM main event.
Lesnar/Reigns and Lesnar/Ziggler is not.
They really need to ride this DB train for as long as he's healthy. Also, I would find it somewhat amusing given how stubborn Vince is, that he would have to have a guy he never viewed as a top star (unless forced by a near rioting audience) to main event and win the world title in two consecutive WM's.
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 23:13:16 GMT -5
This...this is why no one believe you when you talk about how you're not a troll You act like this and people will see you as a troll because you're acting like one. Come in and have a good idea and it works, someone was talking about preferring Dolph earlier with no issues. Someone talked about how Roman might be the better choice because of age and he wasn't attack, he just had his facts checked and asked to explain himself which if he didn't someone else did. Notice the theme there, they didn't call people "suicidal emo teens" and act like a damned troll. Not for nothing but I've experienced the same thing this guy has on this board despite posting legitimate points about it and have gotten the same kind of responses from people. And when I was blatantly flamed by these people, I was always the one yelled at for apparently starting things (aka stating my opinion) while the others got off scott free. Especially when someone in power uses quotes like "The hatred and refusal to see anything is getting tiring" to me is not right. That to me comes off as you saying "You're opinion is wrong and not wanting to agree with everyone else's won't fly here." I didn't want to get into this mess but I would expect that the rules of the forum actually be followed and I'm fairly certain calling someone a troll because they disagree with you is flaming. But I guess I now have to post my opinion on Bryan vs Lesnar here. I personally don't see this year and last year in the same vein in terms of Bryan not being champion. Last year it was a booking decision, this year it's an injury thing. He's not champion because he got hurt. That to me does not imply "Well he should get the title back right away for the reign that he deserves that he never got." Well considering again it was injury, to me that's a matter of "shit happens" and he needs to wait in line for when the moment is right for him. Do I think the moment is right for Bryan now? No because I'd rather see two monster-esque guys fight in Lesnar's last match instead of the underdog story. I don't want God losing to the unlikeliest of underdogs, seems like a waste to me. I would be on the front supporting Reigns if he was ready and showed improvement over the course of the last few months. But, he hasn't, and that's alarming because that could jeopardize the quality of both the match and the storyline their trying to tell. And, you saw how you would like to see two monster-esque guys fight each-other. Sure, that's you opinion, but I think it's time Brock face someone who's not 6'4, 260 pounds. What's differs Reigns from Cena, Hunter, and Taker, other than the skill level? Like, why should we believe Reigns has a chance against Lesnar when Cena's built bigger and stronger than Reign's is? Atleast Bryan has the quickness, speed, and heart, plus the crowd on his side. He beat Triple H, Batista and Orton last year, he can use those same skills to beat Brock Lesnar. Reign's can't even beat The Big Show clean.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 31, 2014 23:17:44 GMT -5
Not for nothing but I've experienced the same thing this guy has on this board despite posting legitimate points about it and have gotten the same kind of responses from people. And when I was blatantly flamed by these people, I was always the one yelled at for apparently starting things (aka stating my opinion) while the others got off scott free. Especially when someone in power uses quotes like "The hatred and refusal to see anything is getting tiring" to me is not right. That to me comes off as you saying "You're opinion is wrong and not wanting to agree with everyone else's won't fly here." I didn't want to get into this mess but I would expect that the rules of the forum actually be followed and I'm fairly certain calling someone a troll because they disagree with you is flaming. But I guess I now have to post my opinion on Bryan vs Lesnar here. I personally don't see this year and last year in the same vein in terms of Bryan not being champion. Last year it was a booking decision, this year it's an injury thing. He's not champion because he got hurt. That to me does not imply "Well he should get the title back right away for the reign that he deserves that he never got." Well considering again it was injury, to me that's a matter of "shit happens" and he needs to wait in line for when the moment is right for him. Do I think the moment is right for Bryan now? No because I'd rather see two monster-esque guys fight in Lesnar's last match instead of the underdog story. I don't want God losing to the unlikeliest of underdogs, seems like a waste to me. I would be on the front supporting Reigns if he was ready and showed improvement over the course of the last few months. But, he hasn't, and that's alarming because that could jeopardize the quality of both the match and the storyline their trying to tell. And, you saw how you would like to see two monster-esque guys fight each-other. Sure, that's you opinion, but I think it's time Brock face someone who's not 6'4, 260 pounds. What's differs Reigns from Cena, Hunter, and Taker, other than the skill level? Like, why should we believe Reigns has a chance against Lesnar when Cena's built bigger and stronger than Reign's is? Atleast Bryan has the quickness, speed, and heart, plus the crowd on his side. He beat Triple H, Batista and Orton last year, he can use those same skills to beat Brock Lesnar. Reign's can't even beat The Big Show clean. Because I don't want Lesnar losing to a guy because he had less heart. It just comes off as, well, lame to me. And even then if Bryan beats Lesnar he pretty much has to become another Cena who is booked to "overcome the odds" even though he always wins. Which I thought people didn't want another guy like that but I guess not
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 23:18:05 GMT -5
Lesnar/Bryan is worthy of a WM main event. Lesnar/Reigns and Lesnar/Ziggler is not. They really need to ride this DB train for as long as he's healthy. Also, I would find it somewhat amusing given how stubborn Vince is, that he would have to have a guy he never viewed as a top star (unless forced by a near rioting audience) to main event and win the world title in two consecutive WM's. That's really how I feel. Bryan/Lesnar should be a great match-up. You have two fantastically talented guys facing off in the main even of WrestleMania. It don't get any better than that. Reigns/Lesnar is a Summerslam match, at best. Ziggler/Lesnar is a quick match they would have at Royal Rumble.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 31, 2014 23:19:33 GMT -5
Realistically, if the Rumble winner isn't Bryan or Ziggler, the WWE is in for an awful backlash.
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 23:23:16 GMT -5
I would be on the front supporting Reigns if he was ready and showed improvement over the course of the last few months. But, he hasn't, and that's alarming because that could jeopardize the quality of both the match and the storyline their trying to tell. And, you saw how you would like to see two monster-esque guys fight each-other. Sure, that's you opinion, but I think it's time Brock face someone who's not 6'4, 260 pounds. What's differs Reigns from Cena, Hunter, and Taker, other than the skill level? Like, why should we believe Reigns has a chance against Lesnar when Cena's built bigger and stronger than Reign's is? Atleast Bryan has the quickness, speed, and heart, plus the crowd on his side. He beat Triple H, Batista and Orton last year, he can use those same skills to beat Brock Lesnar. Reign's can't even beat The Big Show clean. Because I don't want Lesnar losing to a guy because he had less heart. It just comes off as, well, lame to me. And even then if Bryan beats Lesnar he pretty much has to become another Cena who is booked to "overcome the odds" even though he always wins. Which I thought people didn't want another guy like that but I guess not It's not that people don't want another "overcome the odds" guy, it's that Cena's been played up as the underdog for years while be a 15 time Champion, it doesn't work anymore. Using those tag-lines like underdog and "overcome the odds" with Daniel Bryan works for him because he has that look and character that people can relate to. Having stoylines about overcoming the odds works and works well. It's just that WWE have done it so long with Cena people have become tired of it.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 31, 2014 23:29:01 GMT -5
Because I don't want Lesnar losing to a guy because he had less heart. It just comes off as, well, lame to me. And even then if Bryan beats Lesnar he pretty much has to become another Cena who is booked to "overcome the odds" even though he always wins. Which I thought people didn't want another guy like that but I guess not It's not that people don't want another "overcome the odds" guy, it's that Cena's been played up as the underdog for years while be a 15 time Champion, it doesn't work anymore. Using those tag-lines like underdog and "overcome the odds" with Daniel Bryan works for him because he has that look and character that people can relate to. Having stoylines about overcoming the odds works and works well. It's just that WWE have done it so long with Cena people have become tired of it. But once Bryan beats Lesnar, what odds will he have to overcome? He overcomes a possible career ending injury to dethrone the most unstoppable guy in the WWE in years, it's hard to top those odds. Not to mention as you said, he's already beaten Triple H, Orton, Batista, Big Show, Cena, etc. clean as a whistle. Who else does he need to beat before he has no real other odds to overcome?
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 23:34:15 GMT -5
It's not that people don't want another "overcome the odds" guy, it's that Cena's been played up as the underdog for years while be a 15 time Champion, it doesn't work anymore. Using those tag-lines like underdog and "overcome the odds" with Daniel Bryan works for him because he has that look and character that people can relate to. Having stoylines about overcoming the odds works and works well. It's just that WWE have done it so long with Cena people have become tired of it. But once Bryan beats Lesnar, what odds will he have to overcome? He overcomes a possible career ending injury to dethrone the most unstoppable guy in the WWE in years, it's hard to top those odds. Not to mention as you said, he's already beaten Triple H, Orton, Batista, Big Show, Cena, etc. clean as a whistle. Who else does he need to beat before he has no real other odds to overcome? The odds of keeping the belt, the odds of defending the belt against the Authority. Reigns won't be doing anything different, except Bryan's so much better at every aspect, the story will be more entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 23:35:11 GMT -5
This...this is why no one believe you when you talk about how you're not a troll You act like this and people will see you as a troll because you're acting like one. Come in and have a good idea and it works, someone was talking about preferring Dolph earlier with no issues. Someone talked about how Roman might be the better choice because of age and he wasn't attack, he just had his facts checked and asked to explain himself which if he didn't someone else did. Notice the theme there, they didn't call people "suicidal emo teens" and act like a damned troll. Not for nothing but I've experienced the same thing this guy has on this board despite posting legitimate points about it and have gotten the same kind of responses from people. And when I was blatantly flamed by these people, I was always the one yelled at for apparently starting things (aka stating my opinion) while the others got off scott free. Especially when someone in power uses quotes like "The hatred and refusal to see anything is getting tiring" to me is not right. That to me comes off as you saying "You're opinion is wrong and not wanting to agree with everyone else's won't fly here." I didn't want to get into this mess but I would expect that the rules of the forum actually be followed and I'm fairly certain calling someone a troll because they disagree with you is flaming. No one gets off of things scot free. There's a lot of things that non-mods don't see, like discussions about what happened and who to watch and for why. We discuss things constantly; you should see the reported posts section. That said messages do not equal warnings and, believe me, there are many, many users here that could have many more warnings than they do but were instead messaged to knock things off.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2014 23:36:45 GMT -5
It's not that people don't want another "overcome the odds" guy, it's that Cena's been played up as the underdog for years while be a 15 time Champion, it doesn't work anymore. Using those tag-lines like underdog and "overcome the odds" with Daniel Bryan works for him because he has that look and character that people can relate to. Having stoylines about overcoming the odds works and works well. It's just that WWE have done it so long with Cena people have become tired of it. But once Bryan beats Lesnar, what odds will he have to overcome? He overcomes a possible career ending injury to dethrone the most unstoppable guy in the WWE in years, it's hard to top those odds. Not to mention as you said, he's already beaten Triple H, Orton, Batista, Big Show, Cena, etc. clean as a whistle. Who else does he need to beat before he has no real other odds to overcome? That's an interesting point. He HAS beaten the majority of the top names already. His in-ring credibility shouldn't be in question. My theory is that it's just because he doesn't get the lip service on commentary that guys like Cena and Reigns get. That's what a LOT of things boil down to, in my opinion. Like, Ambrose and Rollins are in PPV and TV main events looking great (wonky finishes aside, in Ambrose's case), but apparently they're not being pushed as hard as Reigns, the guy who was going back and forth with Fandango a few weeks ago.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 31, 2014 23:37:34 GMT -5
Once Bryan wins the Rumble and defeats Lesnar (and yes, that's exactly what needs to happen, despite the hilarious contrarianism going on here), it should be sold as finally Daniel Bryan proving to everyone that he is the real deal. It's essential that the commentators, and especially HHH and Stephanie acknowledge it at that point. The next step for him will be being the "fighting champion" that he needs to be.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 31, 2014 23:38:49 GMT -5
Here's what I'd do. First of all, have Cena beat Lesnar at the rumble but then have Rollins cash in MITB and steal the title. Then in the rumble have the Authority continue targeting Daniel Bryan but he continues surviving towards the end. It reaches a point where the Authority panics and Rollins runs out and personally takes care of Bryan. Have the final three be Reigns, Show and Ziggler and have Reigns eliminate Show but Ziggler eliminates Reigns.
Here Reigns looks strong and there is already three WM challengers in Bryan, Cena and Ziggler who already have an ongoing storyline with the Authority/Rollins. Then you can have Reigns do his own thing by facing Lesnar at WM and running him out of the promotion before letting him actually hone his craft and let him feud with a few former world champions so that it's made clear that he can hang with the top tier talents.
Then of course if you wanted you could have Ambrose as a potential challenger also if you bring up that Wyatt cost him his match against Rollins at HIAC.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2014 23:39:35 GMT -5
You know, Lesnar vs Bryan works on a big level: Bryan was gone for a broken neck. Brock or Heyman would probably would promise as many German suplexes as it took to smash it for good this time, as well as reminding people that Brock ended Undertaker's career, he wouldn't be afraid to do it again.
I don't think an angle with Roman would have as much meat on it.
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 23:42:08 GMT -5
You know, Lesnar vs Bryan works on a big level: Bryan was gone for a broken neck. Brock or Heyman would probably would promise as many German suplexes as it took to smash it for good this time, as well as reminding people that Brock ended Undertaker's career, he wouldn't be afraid to do it again. I don't think an angle with Roman would have as much meat on it. Yeah, there's so many ways you can work with a Bryan/Lesnar storyline, WWE would be dumbfounded not to do it.
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