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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 31, 2014 23:44:10 GMT -5
Hoo boy...where do I begin?
I've been completely conflicted about this whole thing. On one hand Roman is one of my favorites and I'd want to see Reigns fight Lesnar over Bryan. On the other hand I don't want to risk Reigns having to deal with the brunt of the backlash from a disapointed fanbase. I'd had to watch another one of my all time favorites, Batista, deal with it last year and I'd rather not see it again.
Here's the situation the WWE's put itself in. They clearly are using Lesnar to help build the next big thing. After breaking the streak and dominating Cena they built Lesnar up so it would be monumental when someone finally topples him. But once it happens they'll not have another chance to do it again, especially if Lesnar is leaving after WrestleMania.
So should the opportunity go to Daniel Bryan? He is the most over performer in the WWE right now. And while I'd prefer a Lesnar/Reigns match, Lesnar/Bryan is also intriguing.
But Bryan already had his Big Damn WrestleMania Moment last year (although the WWE had to be dragged to it kicking and screaming). Another concern is Bryan's health. He just missed 8 months and there was concern that the injury could be career ending. Is he going to be able to continue wrestling at the pace that we expect from a top tier performer. And would it be a wasted opportunity if Bryan reinjures himself or if he has to retire a year or two?
But if Reigns wins there could still be a large outcry both from disapointed Bryan fans and from those who feel Reigns isn't ready. And after 10 years of thier top guy getting "mixed reactions" do they really want thier new guy to start off with such a backlash?
If the WWE wanted to give the push to Reigns they could have avoided this by having Bryan announce his return AFTER the Royal Rumble. They also could have avoided it if they just did the right thing last year and put Bryan into the Rumble. But it's too late for that now.
Right now, I leaning towards thinking Bryan should win although I don't entirely like it. But I could change my mind tomorrow. It's going to be a long road to WrestleMania.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 31, 2014 23:44:20 GMT -5
There are shitloads of things they could do with Lesnar vs Bryan. I'd have Heyman begging Bryan's family to talk him out of facing Lesnar. You could have other wrestlers telling Bryan that he's making a terrible mistake and could be hurt. It's basically a writer's dream. Bryan is a legitimate underdog, as opposed to Cena and Reigns. Bryan vs Lesnar offers so many more creative opportunities. Bryan can show the weakness and self-doubt WWE refuses to allow Cena to show, that would also be beyond Reign's acting ability at this point in his development.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Dec 31, 2014 23:45:02 GMT -5
hmmmm - just read all this thread - just my opinion but while i disagree with the minority on here, lesnar v bryan is most certainly the way to go - reading through this i feel that there has been way too much ganging up on folk just because they have a difference of opinion. not going to get drawn into this, just my thoughts on the matter.
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Post by gnr123 on Dec 31, 2014 23:46:55 GMT -5
There are shitloads of things they could do with Lesnar vs Bryan. I'd have Heyman begging Bryan's family to talk him out of facing Lesnar. You could have other wrestlers telling Bryan that he's making a terrible mistake and could be hurt. It's basically a writer's dream. Bryan is a legitimate underdog, as opposed to Cena and Reigns. Bryan vs Lesnar offers so many more creative opportunities. Bryan can show the weakness and self-doubt WWE refuses to allow Cena to show, that would also be beyond Reign's acting ability at this point in his development. Vince: "We aint got time for that shit, Roman Reigns is related to The Rock!"
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 31, 2014 23:46:53 GMT -5
hmmmm - just read all this thread - just my opinion but while i disagree with the minority on here, lesnar v bryan is most certainly the way to go - reading through this i feel that there has been way too much ganging up on folk just because they have a difference of opinion. not going to get drawn into this, just my thoughts on the matter. It's not just a difference of opinion. The same people opposing Bryan's push now are pretty much the same people who opposed it last year, when WWE themselves was forced to change direction. Given that, it's reasonable to ask why specifically Daniel Bryan seems to be the focus of such refusal to acknowledge the obvious.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 31, 2014 23:49:41 GMT -5
Its really only that one guy getting argued with.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2014 23:55:03 GMT -5
There are shitloads of things they could do with Lesnar vs Bryan. I'd have Heyman begging Bryan's family to talk him out of facing Lesnar. You could have other wrestlers telling Bryan that he's making a terrible mistake and could be hurt. It's basically a writer's dream. Bryan is a legitimate underdog, as opposed to Cena and Reigns. Bryan vs Lesnar offers so many more creative opportunities. Bryan can show the weakness and self-doubt WWE refuses to allow Cena to show, that would also be beyond Reign's acting ability at this point in his development. I like Roman and I think an angle with Brock under different circumstances would work, but I don't think that the time for it is now, when it'd f*** him over. Bryan has the injury past that they can play on, not to mention they could easily have Brock and Heyman say that WM30 should have been about Lesnar's victory, not some plucky underdog story, and that they aren't prepared to share any spotlight this year. Beyond that, you could have Heyman, Brie, any number of people question his safety, along with having Triple H patronize that Brock broke his arm, that Bryan would fare no better. Additionally, the question could be raised if Bryan could make Brock tap or pin him, if he hasn't finally bitten off more than he could chew. Last year's Mania brought him to the top, but this could solidify his foundations. In a WWE where Undertaker's gone, Brock looks to be leaving, and a dearth of stars, as well as Rollins starting to run out of viable faces to contend with, they need Bryan as much as they ever have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 23:57:20 GMT -5
So let's see...
- Bryan overcame the Authority and Evolution to win the title at WM30 - Bryan had the title taken from him while Lesnar hasn't been defending it in months - Bryan returned from a career ending injury and he's been off the shelf for a great while - Bryan's the most over guy on the roster - Bryan's the best wrestler on the roster - Bryan still deserves his rightful title reign - Bryan can talk on the mic - Bryan/Lesnar was the planned Summerslam match and Bryan seemed disappointed they didn't do it given interviews - Bryan's been the underdog for the longest time and is still considered the underdog given his injury and the fact he's still being screwed by the Authority
And let's get to Reigns
- Reigns has racked up multiple accomplishments these past 16 months ranging from being the Sole Survivor and eliminating multiple people to breaking Kane's WM record and actually getting over on Randy Orton of all people clean - Reigns is considered a powerhouse in the WWE Universe's eyes - Reigns did not return from a career ending injury nor has he been sitting on the shelf near as long as Bryan - Reigns is over but he's not that over. We've heard boos, he's getting some lackluster responses, apparently there's some worry about him backstage if we listen to some reports - Reigns isn't great in the ring at all, he's bad in the ring and he needs major work - Reigns isn't great on the mic, his mic work is bad, he needs major work - Reigns is Rock's cousin - Reigns/Lesnar was the planned WM main event for a while even before Bryan returned - Reigns has "the look" the company wants
Ok...looking at all of this you have to do the most logical thing from not only a story point of view but from a business point of view and a quality point of view and that's let Bryan go against Lesnar like they were building up to previously. Bryan has the ultimate underdog story. He's returning from a near career ending injury and he took out the Authority and Evolution. Now the Authority's back stronger than ever and they have the guy Brock Lesnar, the guy who took out Taker, behind them.
Can the guy who defeated them last time do it again after a return? Can the guy who returned from a major injury defeat the man who took out Undertaker? Can he do it with a bigger monster behind the Authority especially considering he's a small guy compared to the monstrous Lesnar?
It makes perfect sense here. You have so much more added elements with Bryan than Reigns. Better story, better continuity, better match, better promos, better dynamic, more fans on Bryan's side, a "bigger more risky deal" than with Reigns, I mean you have it all. Bryan beat the Shield, he beat Cena, he beat Triple H, he beat Evolution, he beat Kane, he's beaten them all except Lesnar and he's the biggest beast of all.
You only have the fact that Roman has a "look" and he's related to the Rock over Bryan, that's it.
It should be a no-brainer to anyone who isn't focused on Reigns being the new Cena.
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Post by DSR on Dec 31, 2014 23:59:59 GMT -5
We are ignoring the important question here - How big is Batista's dick? Smaller than Roman's because Batista needs to put him over strong. ...Man, I told myself I wasn't gonna use that meme. What is this thread doing to me? It's ruining the Magic Ali gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 0:35:49 GMT -5
And other thing that no one's mentioning much...
Do you really want to immediately jump into a Rollins/Reigns feud for the title? Or do you want Bryan/Rollins for some great PPVs before he loses the belt because of bullshit (how Cena loses) and then Reigns can have his turn at Rollins with Ambrose?
Come on now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 0:52:03 GMT -5
And other thing that no one's mentioning much... Do you really want to immediately jump into a Rollins/Reigns feud for the title? Or do you want Bryan/Rollins for some great PPVs before he loses the belt because of bullshit (how Cena loses) and then Reigns can have his turn at Rollins with Ambrose? Come on now. Judging by that match on Raw I never want to see Rollins / Reigns again.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 1, 2015 0:58:26 GMT -5
So let's see... - Bryan overcame the Authority and Evolution to win the title at WM30 - Bryan had the title taken from him while Lesnar hasn't been defending it in months - Bryan returned from a career ending injury and he's been off the shelf for a great while - Bryan's the most over guy on the roster - Bryan's the best wrestler on the roster - Bryan still deserves his rightful title reign - Bryan can talk on the mic - Bryan/Lesnar was the planned Summerslam match and Bryan seemed disappointed they didn't do it given interviews - Bryan's been the underdog for the longest time and is still considered the underdog given his injury and the fact he's still being screwed by the Authority And let's get to Reigns - Reigns has racked up multiple accomplishments these past 16 months ranging from being the Sole Survivor and eliminating multiple people to breaking Kane's WM record and actually getting over on Randy Orton of all people clean - Reigns is considered a powerhouse in the WWE Universe's eyes - Reigns did not return from a career ending injury nor has he been sitting on the shelf near as long as Bryan - Reigns is over but he's not that over. We've heard boos, he's getting some lackluster responses, apparently there's some worry about him backstage if we listen to some reports - Reigns isn't great in the ring at all, he's bad in the ring and he needs major work - Reigns isn't great on the mic, his mic work is bad, he needs major work - Reigns is Rock's cousin - Reigns/Lesnar was the planned WM main event for a while even before Bryan returned - Reigns has "the look" the company wants Ok...looking at all of this you have to do the most logical thing from not only a story point of view but from a business point of view and a quality point of view and that's let Bryan go against Lesnar like they were building up to previously. Bryan has the ultimate underdog story. He's returning from a near career ending injury and he took out the Authority and Evolution. Now the Authority's back stronger than ever and they have the guy Brock Lesnar, the guy who took out Taker, behind them. Can the guy who defeated them last time do it again after a return? Can the guy who returned from a major injury defeat the man who took out Undertaker? Can he do it with a bigger monster behind the Authority especially considering he's a small guy compared to the monstrous Lesnar? It makes perfect sense here. You have so much more added elements with Bryan than Reigns. Better story, better continuity, better match, better promos, better dynamic, more fans on Bryan's side, a "bigger more risky deal" than with Reigns, I mean you have it all. Bryan beat the Shield, he beat Cena, he beat Triple H, he beat Evolution, he beat Kane, he's beaten them all except Lesnar and he's the biggest beast of all. You only have the fact that Roman has a "look" and he's related to the Rock over Bryan, that's it. It should be a no-brainer to anyone who isn't focused on Reigns being the new Cena. Fantastic post and great points.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 0:59:51 GMT -5
At this point can we all just agree that Reigns is getting a push because he looks manly, rugged and makes giney's tickle? If he looked like Erick Rowan (a guy with a similar skill level), he would be getting Rowan's push right about now.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 1, 2015 1:10:03 GMT -5
At this point can we all just agree that Reigns is getting a push because he looks manly, rugged and makes giney's tickle? If he looked like Erick Rowan (a guy with a similar skill level), he would be getting Rowan's push right about now. I think it's rather obvious that Roman's greatest asset by far is his look and presence. The other thing he's got is some good looking offense that was great in tag team matches, but having a hell of a hot tag isn't going to help him in singles main events.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 1:17:04 GMT -5
At this point can we all just agree that Reigns is getting a push because he looks manly, rugged and makes giney's tickle? If he looked like Erick Rowan (a guy with a similar skill level), he would be getting Rowan's push right about now. I think it's rather obvious that Roman's greatest asset by far is his look and presence. The other thing he's got is some good looking offense that was great in tag team matches, but having a hell of a hot tag isn't going to help him in singles main events. I agree with the great "hot tag/short burst" offense comment and I think he could end up being a top tier superstar just like his cousin. I'm actually a fan of Roman, but yeah, I'm willing to admit that it's mostly his presence. I'm just wondering how many others are as well.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Jan 1, 2015 1:48:53 GMT -5
The biggest knock against Bryan winning the Rumble is that he already got his huge WM moment and win last year. Do the casuals want to see this undersized guy AGAIN win the title at the biggest show of the year?
I'm just playing devils advocate here. I'd love to see Bryan win it all. But if this WM is truly going to be a new beginning, then how new can it be with the same guy winning as last year?
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 1, 2015 1:56:34 GMT -5
I wonder if they're looking at Reigns suddenly becoming the most over man in the Rumble last year and misreading "The fans really hate Batista winning this" as "The fans are suddenly very behind this guy"
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2015 1:56:46 GMT -5
The biggest knock against Bryan winning the Rumble is that he already got his huge WM moment and win last year. Do the casuals want to see this undersized guy AGAIN win the title at the biggest show of the year? I'm just playing devils advocate here. I'd love to see Bryan win it all. But if this WM is truly going to be a new beginning, then how new can it be with the same guy winning as last year? Because what we had last year was WWE desperately scrambling to repair the damage they caused at the Royal Rumble. This time, they have a chance to book it properly. Let him win the Rumble and have a clear path to Lesnar one on one, rather than the convoluted, rewritten mess we got last time around. And beating Lesnar is an entirely different and bigger mountain to climb.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 1, 2015 1:57:57 GMT -5
The biggest knock against Bryan winning the Rumble is that he already got his huge WM moment and win last year. Do the casuals want to see this undersized guy AGAIN win the title at the biggest show of the year? I'm just playing devils advocate here. I'd love to see Bryan win it all. But if this WM is truly going to be a new beginning, then how new can it be with the same guy winning as last year? Because to be honest, most casuals don't really give a damn about new beginnings. They mostly just want to see the guy they like win wrestling matches.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 1, 2015 2:00:02 GMT -5
I actually think Reigns could be a great world champion.... in about 2 or 3 years. He should have a slow, steady build. Let him win the IC title and have a year long reign defending it against all of the midcard first, throw him in a programme with old hands like Goldust and drag Regal out of NXT to have a feud with him. Just give him time to improve on his many flaws first before strapping a rocket to him.
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