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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2015 2:00:15 GMT -5
If they really want a new beginning, how about not bringing the Authority back after a month?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 2:06:07 GMT -5
We've seen that casuals don't give a damn about the company repeating things. Sure we do but casuals don't care. That's why we've had over 1,000 Kofi/Dolph matches and casuals sat through each and every one of them. That's why we've seen Usos/Dust Brothers and they still love it. That's why we've seen so many of these different match up, they just don't care.
If Bryan wins the Rumble and beats Lesnar after a near career-ending injury then they'd eat it up more than they did before. Bryan was huge when he beat Cena, it continued when he beat Orton those other 2 times, when he won WM it was ridiculously huge, the biggest yet. If he beats Brock again? It'll be bigger than last year and mind you that will just make Bryan a bigger star. Bryan, a guy who's going to stay with the company for the years to come who can help younger talent unlike Brock who will be leaving and honestly, unlike Reigns who needs to have a great worker in the ring and beyond that Reigns who, dare I say, might even leave for Hollywood when the time comes.
Given his WM interviews talking about making money, the biggest earners, stuff like that, I can't be the only one who sees this.
Bryan's the medium between last generations stars (Cena, Orton, Batista and Lesnar) and the new generation (Shield, Bray) and that'll only help the future out in the long run. Personally I wouldn't use Lesnar to elevate Reigns, I'd use it for Bryan because Bryan's knowledge, skills and overall impact can help the new generation a lot more than Reigns can. If you beat Daniel Bryan? You're instantly a huge star. The guy beat Kane, Shield, Cena, Orton, Evolution, Lesnar I mean he's a big deal. If you beat Reigns? Well ok. It's not like you've beaten a guy who's taken down as many guys as Bryan.
It's a different spectrum for the future here. Get as much as you can out of Bryan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 2:09:32 GMT -5
I think they can still make Roman look good. Have it come down to him and Bryan. Do a big extended who's gonna win spot fest like Taker and Michaels and have Bryan just barely eek out a win. Mutual respect. Fistbump from the outside. Roman walks off as Bryan celebrates. Reigns comes in second place in the rumble again. Builds up to something in the future. This works well. Then have Reigns beat Rollins at WM and Rollins to cash in at the end of the show. For the summer you have Reigns/Bryan/Rollins all fighting for the title. Ziggler to dethrone Rusve to unifiy the mid card titles and he joins the fight for the world title at SS after dropping the IC. As a wildcard have Ambrose win mitb. Leaves Cena at a loose end, he can either take some time off or put over heel Sheamus. There, everyone's happy.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Jan 1, 2015 2:17:37 GMT -5
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Post by Sicho100 on Jan 1, 2015 2:29:12 GMT -5
The biggest knock against Bryan winning the Rumble is that he already got his huge WM moment and win last year. Do the casuals want to see this undersized guy AGAIN win the title at the biggest show of the year? I'm just playing devils advocate here. I'd love to see Bryan win it all. But if this WM is truly going to be a new beginning, then how new can it be with the same guy winning as last year? I doubt the casuals would have a problem with Bryan winning the belt at Mania, but the fact that Bryan won it last year is why I'm thinking the best thing for WWE would be to have Bryan win the Rumble and beat Lesnar for the belt, then have Rollins cash in to close Mania. Since Bryan got his "moment" last year, you can f*** him over at Mania now, whereas last year he needed to end the show on top. Since Lesnar is most likely leaving WWE after Mania (and even if he isn't, he's still only there once in a blue moon), it immediately sets up Bryan's post-Mania program, creates an easy story (The Authority's chosen boy stealing the title from their most hated enemy), and would really cement Rollins as the top heel. And then Bryan can have FOUR WWE title reigns, with him getting screwed out of the title in every reign.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 1, 2015 2:31:08 GMT -5
I just want Bryan to win the Rumble and beat Lesnar because that's what I would personally enjoy. I don't care about any of the other nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 2:33:14 GMT -5
The biggest knock against Bryan winning the Rumble is that he already got his huge WM moment and win last year. Do the casuals want to see this undersized guy AGAIN win the title at the biggest show of the year? I'm just playing devils advocate here. I'd love to see Bryan win it all. But if this WM is truly going to be a new beginning, then how new can it be with the same guy winning as last year? I doubt the casuals would have a problem with Bryan winning the belt at Mania, but the fact that Bryan won it last year is why I'm thinking the best thing for WWE would be to have Bryan win the Rumble and beat Lesnar for the belt, then have Rollins cash in to close Mania. Since Bryan got his "moment" last year, you can f*** him over at Mania now, whereas last year he needed to end the show on top. Since Lesnar is most likely leaving WWE after Mania (and even if he isn't, he's still only there once in a blue moon), it immediately sets up Bryan's post-Mania program, creates an easy story (The Authority's chosen boy stealing the title from their most hated enemy), and would really cement Rollins as the top heel. And then Bryan can have FOUR WWE title reigns, with him getting screwed out of the title in every reign.And that's why it's a bad idea. Fans don't want to see Bryan get screwed out of the title, they want him having a legit reign. Until he has a legit reign fans will always want him having the belt which isn't fair to not only him but for everyone else after him like the Shield boys. No one wants to see Reigns, Rollins or Ambrose hold the title and then say "well let's see how long this lasts until Bryan can get his rightful title reign." It's one of the main problems with Cena being champion. He's always screwed out of the belt by some bullshit, he rarely loses "clean" to someone as in by pin (since god knows Cena doesn't know how to submit). Since he's constantly screwed out of the title he's always getting title shots.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2015 2:35:30 GMT -5
Repetition is fine as long as the story is new and fresh.
Bryan vs Lesnar would certainly be that. It's a money match that WWE would be insane to ignore.
WWE need to hit the sweet spot in their Wrestlemania match, which will be THAT moment, when Lesnar realises that Bryan is the real deal, and when Bryan realises he's got Lesnar shaken. If you need an example of it, Rocky IV, when Drago gets cut. That's how WWE need to sell it. The commentators will need to be better than they've ever been before. They need to start the match basically describing a lamb to slaughter, emphasising that Daniel Bryan cannot possibly survive this match, let alone win.
Then at just the right point, they switch and think "yes, the impossible CAN be done"
My fear is that what should be a clear Lesnar vs Bryan storyline will be ruined and bogged down by Cena, Rollins, the Authority etc....being involved.
This story needs to be clear and concise.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 1, 2015 4:02:24 GMT -5
I honestly think Bryan will win it, because I just don't see why they'd even bother having him announce it. He could still lose at the Rumble sure, but I don't see any precedent for this supposed "fake-out" the Authority is supposed to pull on him.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 1, 2015 4:04:53 GMT -5
I honestly think Bryan will win it, because I just don't see why they'd even bother having him announce it. He could still lose at the Rumble sure, but I don't see any precedent for this supposed "fake-out" the Authority is supposed to pull on him. The way they yanked Bryan and his fans around in 2013 has just left everyone extremely paranoid about their booking of the guy. Sucks, but it does make sense that we'd worry.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 1, 2015 4:13:17 GMT -5
And on the note of repetition vs. something new, Daniel Bryan actually keeping the title is damn near uncharted waters itself.
Since Summerslam 2013 when he first won the WWE title, in three title reigns between nearly two years, the guy has notched exactly one successful title defense. I personally would like to see what Daniel Bryan can bring to the table as far as actually being a champion, against someone not named Kane, be it Corporate, Demon, or Concessions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 4:39:17 GMT -5
If I was Reigns, I wouldn't want to win the Rumble if Bryan was in it.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 1, 2015 4:41:45 GMT -5
Lesnar Heyman has enough common sense and memory to protect Lesnar from; www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ7hGa3nnfM#t=74which would be a worse repeat for Lesnar then watching Daniel Bryan make the crowd go nuts and give a crap about the main event.
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Post by ZombieElvis on Jan 1, 2015 4:42:38 GMT -5
Bryan wins at WM. He more than anyone in history deserves a real world title run. Fake people out by having Rollins cashs MITB to take advantage of a destroyed Bryan, but have Seth act cocky and Daniel Bryan gets away with a roll up to win.
Give Rollins a rematch at the next PPV and give Bryan a few more good title defenses. Over a few months have Reigns, Rollins and Ambrose feuding/getting title shots against Bryan.
Summerslam do a 4 way elimination match between Seth, Dean, Roman and Bryan. Seth Rollins cheap shots Bryan and takes him out of the match in the first 5 minutes. Then you have the Shield in a 3 way elimination match to crown the first world champion from that group.
Depending on how over Reigns and Ambrose are they could win or give it to Rollins and have one of the other Shield guys take the title from him 3-6 months later.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 1, 2015 9:26:27 GMT -5
I'm fine with either 1 of those 2 winning.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2015 9:37:31 GMT -5
To me, right now, it should be Bryan
That's all I'm gonna say because really everything about why Reigns shouldn't win and why Bryan should has been said plenty.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jan 1, 2015 9:42:40 GMT -5
If we can have Cena on top for 10 years and Rock/Cena, Taker/HHH, Taker/HBK happening two years in a row at WM then we can have Bryan winning the title two years in a row at WM.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Jan 1, 2015 11:23:50 GMT -5
WWE booked themselves in a corner by bringing Bryan back for the Rumble. Now, they pretty much have to have him win it or else they will end up with a gigantic backlash.
That being said, I would much rather see Bryan vs. Rollins be the title match at Mania. Not only would they probably tear the house down, it would also be a much less predictable match than one with Lesnar. Plus, if you need to build a new star to carry WWE into the future, Seth Rollins is probably your best candidate right now.
I'm a pretty big Reigns supporter, but with Bryan back I'm more in the camp of giving him another year. Personally, I'd have him be the guy who dethrones Rusev at Mania. The two actually mesh very well in the ring, so it should be an entertaining match. Plus, a U.S. Title run would give Reigns a chance to step out of the spotlight for a bit without making it seem like a massive de-push.
Of course, this booking does bring up the question of what to do with Cena, Lesnar, Orton, Ambrose and Ziggler...
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Post by Session Moth is over on Jan 1, 2015 12:21:37 GMT -5
Roman Reigns should be WWE World Champion. Just not right now, and not at Wrestlemania. He needs another couple of years and a slow build.
Personally I hope it's Bryan or Ziggler. Last year I said Ziggler should not be a main event wrestler. I believe I was right. A great wrestler but lacking in other areas and not used properly. But I don't care what anyone says but 2014 was Zigglers year. He has been fantastic this year and I think the crowd would eat it up.
On the other hand Bryan vs Lesnar would be a bigger draw at Wrestlemania. Bryan should be in the main event before Ziggler. Bryan vs Lesnar would be amazing if they are allowed to tell a proper story.
All I know is that I personally have no interest in Reigns winning the Rumble and main eventing Mania. I like Reigns but WWE could do a great job in turning me against him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 12:57:14 GMT -5
Roman Reigns vs. Daniel Bryan (C) at Wrestlemania 32.
Give Bryan a 365+ day run. Hell, if he could'be a 435 day run would be nice.
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