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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 1, 2015 14:26:02 GMT -5
So the champion is usually held responsible for ratings but those two shouldn't get the world title because they don't increase the ratings even though they haven't been the champion who is the one that is responsible for ratings and the current champion is rarely there to gain those ratings anyway?
My head hurts.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jan 1, 2015 14:40:12 GMT -5
Rollins is ready, I think. He's really on top of his game as the slime ball heel that you want to see get wrecked. Ambrose is in this weird mire though, where he's got the following and is getting great reactions but he's just kind of spinning his wheels with Wyatt. I do believe that 2016 is going to be the year where the former Shield members really come into their own.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jan 1, 2015 14:40:24 GMT -5
Out of all of the SHIELD members, Rollins is the one who's "earned" it. The thing no one wants to admit is that Ambrose is just as mediocre in the ring as Reigns is, and Roman's at least a year off from getting to where he should be.
Rollins on the other hand has been putting on great match after great match, and he's settled into his role as top heel of the WWE pretty nicely.
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Post by northernmonkey on Jan 1, 2015 15:26:50 GMT -5
Rollins will have a title reign no later than the night after Wrestlemania 31. Ambrose I'd say could be ready for a title reign now, but he's not the kind of character that really needs a title, he could never win another and still have a long, entertaining career in WWE.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 1, 2015 15:28:34 GMT -5
So lemme see if I get this straight... Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Rusev, etc all need to wait a couple years until they win the world title. However we ALSO don't want the status quo (Cena, Orton, etc) in the main event scene. Okay. Cool. But some people (Bryan and Ziggler) are ready now to bridge the gap
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Post by BigWill on Jan 1, 2015 15:30:48 GMT -5
Out of all of the SHIELD members, Rollins is the one who's "earned" it. The thing no one wants to admit is that Ambrose is just as mediocre in the ring as Reigns is, and Roman's at least a year off from getting to where he should be. No one wants to admit it because it isn't true.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 15:33:43 GMT -5
So lemme see if I get this straight... Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Rusev, etc all need to wait a couple years until they win the world title. However we ALSO don't want the status quo (Cena, Orton, etc) in the main event scene. Okay. Cool. Kinda. I think Rollins is already there is a ME as is Reigns, or at least we presume that's where they're going with him. So you have already in terms of WM season that's upcoming. Cena Lesnar Orton Reigns (accession trajectory presumed) Bryan Sting HHH Rollins ...to headline the various WM marque matches. If you push someone NOW they'll look like the runt of the litter. It's best to be pushed as main eventer when there's room on top the card and as a result he'll matter, rather than being '6th most popular main eventer' on the roster. I'd aim for SS this year for Ambrose. Rusev and Ziggler my be on different time scales but for me not until the WM fall out at the earliest.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jan 1, 2015 15:38:01 GMT -5
Out of all of the SHIELD members, Rollins is the one who's "earned" it. The thing no one wants to admit is that Ambrose is just as mediocre in the ring as Reigns is, and Roman's at least a year off from getting to where he should be. No one wants to admit it because it isn't true. Ambrose has had exactly one memorable singles match since the Shield split, not exactly "WWE Champion material" when you compare him to Seth.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 1, 2015 15:40:30 GMT -5
No one wants to admit it because it isn't true. Ambrose has had exactly one memorable singles match since the Shield split, not exactly "WWE Champion material" when you compare him to Seth. This is not because of Ambrose not being ready though; he is simply not meant to be a babyface.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 15:42:50 GMT -5
Out of all of the SHIELD members, Rollins is the one who's "earned" it. The thing no one wants to admit is that Ambrose is just as mediocre in the ring as Reigns is, and Roman's at least a year off from getting to where he should be. Rollins on the other hand has been putting on great match after great match, and he's settled into his role as top heel of the WWE pretty nicely. Ambrose is miles ahead of Reigns in the ring. He's a lot more comfortable, a lot more versatile, knows exactly who he is and what he's out to accomplish. He doesn't wrestle an "I'm awesome at wrestling" style with a ton of cool moves or anything, but he's very good. His matches with Punk, Bryan, Cesaro, and of course Rollins were really good and he was definitely holding up his end. Dude's got 10 years of experience, compared to Reigns' 4. That means a lot.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jan 1, 2015 15:45:01 GMT -5
Ambrose has had exactly one memorable singles match since the Shield split, not exactly "WWE Champion material" when you compare him to Seth. This is not because of Ambrose not being ready though; he is simply not meant to be a babyface. I wouldn't say he can't ever be a babyface. It's more that he's being booked like a comedy babyface when he should be booked like Steve Austin.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 1, 2015 15:45:42 GMT -5
No one wants to admit it because it isn't true. Ambrose has had exactly one memorable singles match since the Shield split, not exactly "WWE Champion material" when you compare him to Seth. You could name any of Ambrose's matches with Rollins and they'd be good. And his TLC match, ending aside, with Wyatt was also good. He hasn't really done much else in his singles career, so I'd say that's enough. And you were comparing Ambrose to Reigns, not Rollins. Just because he's not as good as Rollins in the ring, doesn't mean he isn't WWE Championship material.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2015 15:53:13 GMT -5
Ambrose had good to great matches with Cesaro, Punk, Cena, Bryan, Rollins, and Wyatt. Don't know where this he's not memorable in matches talk is coming from.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 15:55:20 GMT -5
Ambrose is still fleshing out his character.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 1, 2015 15:55:38 GMT -5
Out of all of the SHIELD members, Rollins is the one who's "earned" it. The thing no one wants to admit is that Ambrose is just as mediocre in the ring as Reigns is, and Roman's at least a year off from getting to where he should be. Rollins on the other hand has been putting on great match after great match, and he's settled into his role as top heel of the WWE pretty nicely. Yes, Ambrose is "mediocre" in terms of "teh workratez", but he has an amazing character and the ring psychology to compensate for it. Ambrose/Moxley has never been a "movez" guy and no one ever said that he was. Ambrose has a good character. Meanwhile Reigns has to keep all the frills of the Shield because WWE thinks/knows/assumes that he won't be over without them. Rollins has come along well, and he should be champion soon, but really he benefits from being the de facto top heel on a heel starved roster.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 1, 2015 16:00:50 GMT -5
Ambrose and Rollins are both good enough where neither needs to be hotshotted to the world title any time soon. I see them both challenging for the title, but I don't see either of them winning it for at least another year or so.
Personally, regardless of the outcome of Wrestlemania.... whether they stick with Reigns as champ, or if Bryan takes it... I see Ambrose turning heel and challenging for the title for a few months in a row.
They've remained consistently over since debuting with the Shield and have stayed over since the split.... really, say what you want about Reigns, the Shield is one of those rare instances where once the team dissolved.. there's no Jannetty. They're all succeeding on their own just fine. With that, that says they're sustainable to a point where thy can sit in the mid-card for quite a while and not really worry about having them cool off as they can adapt and stay over, regardless of circumstance.
So, in essence, I think they'll be given the title eventually.... but there's absolutely no rush to do so, not because they're not ready, but because there's no urgency to "strike while the iron is hot" because whenever they get the opportunity, they'll be ready, they'll be over, and they'll be believable.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jan 1, 2015 16:01:12 GMT -5
"As mediocre as Reigns" was probably the wrong way to describe it, but in terms of in-ring ability, Ambrose still has a while to go before being championship material. Rollins is already far and away one of the best wrestlers in WWE today, so that type of waiting isn't necessary. He's ready, brother.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2015 16:05:35 GMT -5
Ambrose and Rollins are both ready now, as soon as each of them are removed from their current boring storylines.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 16:06:26 GMT -5
Ambrose and Rollins are both ready now, as soon as each of them are removed from their current boring storylines. Rollins is in a boring storyline?
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jan 1, 2015 16:09:33 GMT -5
Ambrose and Rollins are both ready now, as soon as each of them are removed from their current boring storylines. Rollins is in a boring storyline? Unfortunately, yeah. Especially with the return of 20 minute Authority promos starting off RAW.
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