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Post by fw91 on Jan 2, 2015 1:48:54 GMT -5
Disney would be able to outbid Trump, also under Trump WWE would be bankrupt in 2 years. true. I was thinking Trump owns it and lets HHH/Steph still run it due to the relationships. The public market would make it tough. Which brings me to my next point in that I think they would go back to private at any signs of deep trouble
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 2, 2015 1:58:01 GMT -5
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm giving my opinion about a made up scenario. Remember, my opinion is based on the subject of if the WWE crumbles and goes out of business. I'm adding to the idea that no networks would want to pick up a wrestling show if WWE ever fails. And I do feel that wrestling can succeed on the Internet only, as long as the product being produced is good enough that people would pay monthly to watch. Producing a high quality wrestling show costs a lot of money. ROH already does what you talk about, you can watch their tv show on their website for free, yet they can't afford to have major league production values. The money simply isn't there for a major internet only wrestling product. RoH has great production values. They don't have a big fancy LED stage like WWE does and maybe they can't have workers do elaborate smoke and mirror laser light show type of entrances, but the camera and editing work they do during the matches is on point. Honestly RoH's production is what every indy should strive for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 2:15:18 GMT -5
Producing a high quality wrestling show costs a lot of money. ROH already does what you talk about, you can watch their tv show on their website for free, yet they can't afford to have major league production values. The money simply isn't there for a major internet only wrestling product. RoH has great production values. They don't have a big fancy LED stage like WWE does and maybe they can't have workers do elaborate smoke and mirror laser light show type of entrances, but the camera and editing work they do during the matches is on point. Honestly RoH's production is what every indy should strive for. ROH's lighting and sound leave a lot to be desired. If WWE collapsed, scaring away major networks and investors from all American wrestling and ROH's production is the best anyone could do, then I wouldn't say the industry would be doing well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 2:45:54 GMT -5
Amazing a few years ago the popular answer would of been TNA. Two pages and nobody said TNA. Times have changed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 3:38:22 GMT -5
RoH has great production values. They don't have a big fancy LED stage like WWE does and maybe they can't have workers do elaborate smoke and mirror laser light show type of entrances, but the camera and editing work they do during the matches is on point. Honestly RoH's production is what every indy should strive for. ROH's lighting and sound leave a lot to be desired. If WWE collapsed, scaring away major networks and investors from all American wrestling and ROH's production is the best anyone could do, then I wouldn't say the industry would be doing well. I would almost expect a major network to take a chance on a completely new concept, like Lucha Underground but not. Wrestling would still have an audience it's just that with WWE around there's not a lot of sense in a major network to try and outdo them, but if WWE isn't around...
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 2, 2015 5:49:25 GMT -5
Something would rise out of it's place and it would carry on like when ECW and WCW died. Just the library alone is worth it for someone to invest in. It's not like Vince is gonna live like a hobo for the rest of time, so he'll sell whatever he has to get himself some cash. Maybe ROH picks up the pieces or Disney or someone, but there's a good enough market it'll carry on. Plus, suddenly you'll have tons of name value wrestlers to bring into your indy promotion, maybe they won't make the same pay, but get the right guys and you'll be fine to pay them soon enough.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 2, 2015 7:33:59 GMT -5
For the most part, it will be a case of "Wrestling, what wrestling?" In the US, yep. Tv presence would be DONE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 8:42:05 GMT -5
It would depend on WHY it collapsed.
If it just collapsed due to poor management and not due to lack of interest in wrestling, someone (Probably a few companies) would slide in to fill the gap. Supply and demand continues to apply.
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Post by herculesheanan on Jan 2, 2015 9:14:04 GMT -5
TNA domination
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 2, 2015 9:58:20 GMT -5
On the OP's premise of "not because of popularity", then there would definitely be a power vacuum that networks would want to fill. Wrestling is a niche form of entertainment, but it's one that does pull in a respectable amount of loyal viewers. Without the big dog in town to ensure nobody can truly spring up and be a competitor, we'd probably see the networks kind of one step down from the major ones, like Spike--though obviously not Spike--giving TV deals to indie promotions to try and get their slice of the currently really, really open market. TNA is a cautionary tale against anyone trying to get into the national televised wrestling market in the current state of the market, but no WWE means open season.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 2, 2015 10:43:48 GMT -5
I think someone would buy them out I'm telling you it would be Disney. In that case, you can forget about seeing any older material. Disney pretty much locks everything they've made in the disney vault after a certain point in time, and some stuff never gets rereleased.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 2, 2015 10:50:50 GMT -5
It would go the way of roller derby. A couple of small shows here and there but nothing like how it used to be. Disney nor any other conglomerate would f*** with pro wrestling because if the industry leader went down, that whole genre is finished. The vacuum would create a black hole that won't be worth the time and money to fill. A lot of companies won't have the time nor patience to wait for stability and profit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 11:28:00 GMT -5
I'd be very interested to see how various indies handle suddenly having a lot of recognizable names available for hire.
Beyond that I don't really see any company taking up the space WWE will leave behind. WWE's brand is very distinctive and expensive to duplicate. The audience cross-over to a new promotion would be pretty minimal. I'd imagine a lot of people tune into WWE for the familiar stars they already know and the WWE style of 'sports entertainment.' The audience would probably just watch something else and the fans who love wrestling in general probably already watch available alternatives.
Plus with the ever-growing number of cable networks and internet channels, the idea of one, new company getting 3-4 million viewers is a thing of the past, no matter how good the content or well-promoted it is. WWE's largely holding on to the numbers they do get off its legacy at this point.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 2, 2015 17:26:51 GMT -5
I'm telling you it would be Disney. In that case, you can forget about seeing any older material. Disney pretty much locks everything they've made in the disney vault after a certain point in time, and some stuff never gets rereleased. That's a bit unfair and untrue. They did the Treasures line to release just about every non-feature cartoon and old TV show, their Boom imprint has been releasing their old comics, even Marvel is seeing stuff released in TPB that they never dreamed of bothering with before. The whole "vault" thing really only applies to their main Features outlet on home video, and that's simply a marketing ploy to keep the titles fresh for each new generation. Do they keep it all in print forever? Of course not, but suggesting they're just squirreling away all of their product for the hell of it is a bit misleading.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 2, 2015 17:40:16 GMT -5
Song of the South is the exception, not the rule. They've actually been (or had been last I was privy to any news on it) looking into how to release it. They kept getting real close, then pulling back at the last minute.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 2, 2015 18:16:39 GMT -5
It would go the way of roller derby. A couple of small shows here and there but nothing like how it used to be. Disney nor any other conglomerate would f*** with pro wrestling because if the industry leader went down, that whole genre is finished. The vacuum would create a black hole that won't be worth the time and money to fill. A lot of companies won't have the time nor patience to wait for stability and profit. That also ties into another point if it "does" go the way of roller derby: Most relatively good-sized cities do have some small roller derby scenes, but nothing what it used to be. However, one weirder point for roller derby is- with people who went into roller derby since it fell down and became lesser, the nature of the sport- which was once sports entertainment (and just as worked as pro wrestling), has gone to a level where roller derby became an actual competition and suddenly became a "real" sport. It's not unlikely that pro wrestling, if it fell to a level where irony met it (similar to roller derby), then pro wrestling would become a shoot sport (especially with MMA-trained people doing it)- and if that happened, MMA would be instantly dead and pro wrestling would usurp it.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 3, 2015 2:21:04 GMT -5
That also ties into another point if it "does" go the way of roller derby: Most relatively good-sized cities do have some small roller derby scenes, but nothing what it used to be. However, one weirder point for roller derby is- with people who went into roller derby since it fell down and became lesser, the nature of the sport- which was once sports entertainment (and just as worked as pro wrestling), has gone to a level where roller derby became an actual competition and suddenly became a "real" sport. It's not unlikely that pro wrestling, if it fell to a level where irony met it (similar to roller derby), then pro wrestling would become a shoot sport (especially with MMA-trained people doing it)- and if that happened, MMA would be instantly dead and pro wrestling would usurp it.I doubt it. As dangerous as MMA is, a legit sport with the theatrics of professional wrestling would be deadly (legit piledrivers, for example). If it was legit, the over-the-top stuff would go away, leaving us with what is essentially a modified MMA as we know it. Even then, that modified MMA would probably be enough to destroy the current one just because, even if MMA gets rid of the moves like shoot piledrivers/head drops), it'd be replaced with MMA fighters with pro wrestling's gimmicks and storylines- which would have a good chance to destroy everyone.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Jan 3, 2015 7:17:22 GMT -5
Samoa Joe's Man vs. Food becomes the top wrestling related show on tv. {Spoiler}Man wins!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 7:24:38 GMT -5
Samoa Joe's Man vs. Food becomes the top wrestling related show on tv. {Spoiler}Man wins! With a streak that dwarfs goldberg's
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 3, 2015 7:30:20 GMT -5
I'm telling you it would be Disney. In that case, you can forget about seeing any older material. Disney pretty much locks everything they've made in the disney vault after a certain point in time, and some stuff never gets rereleased. With all the content, Disney would release a WWE Network. Disney's all about the money, and they could make more money with a WWE Network than the McMahons. It's f***ing Disney. Not to mention throwing classic shows on ESPN Classic, making some 30 For 30 documentaries about wrestling. If the WWE ever got to the point it needed to be sold, Disney would be the ones to swoop in and buy it.
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