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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 2, 2015 15:35:14 GMT -5
Actually a topic I think deserves a thread. We are all plenty familiar with wrestlecrap from here in the states, but how about something from across the ocean? It seems like we hear only about the good stuff that comes out of Japanese Feds and not the Gooker worthy stuff-but you can't convince me it isn't there! So give some examples of wrestlecrap worthy gimmicks, matches, and characters from Japan. Go for it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 15:39:33 GMT -5
More weird, wacky guy than anything else
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 2, 2015 16:11:36 GMT -5
I've never watched it, but the DDT promotion sounds like wrestlecrap in the best possible way, especially their Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship. I'll let wikipedia explain Other title holders include a baseball bat, TWO OTHER LADDERS, a chair, a painting, a pint of beer, two different inflatable love dolls, and an invisible wrestler who was beaten by knockout after being shot with a ray gun. DDT also features bizarre gimmick matches, "including a hardcore match in a campsite (which featured use of bottle rockets as weapons), an "Office Deathmatch" (where the ring was set up to resemble a section of an office building, complete with cubicle walls and computers), and a "Silence Match" (where wrestlers were forbidden to make loud noises, resulting in slow-motion chops and punches and featuring the commentary team speaking in a faux-whisper)." One of the love dolls on the roster has been killed three times, once by Kenny Omega. (though I'm not sure if the subsequent dolls are meant to be the same doll, or like Tiger Mask II) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_Dream_Team
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Fundertaker
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 2, 2015 16:25:28 GMT -5
If you want actual wrestle crap, check out most of Kodo Fuyuki's run as the booker of FMW/WEW and Inoki's MMA hard on and outright weirdness in the early 2000's NJPW (most notably stuff like Chono vs Chyna, sticking Josh Barnett in a Tokyo Dome main-event when he had 0 experience in a pro-wrestling ring, the Sasaki/Fujita title "match" from 2004, the "Ultimate Royal" match, putting Yuji Nagata, Manabu Nakanishi, Katsuyori Shibata and Shinsuke Nakamura in MMA matches they should've never had, most of the Makai Club's run and everything pretending to Brock Lesnar in New Japan).
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Jan 2, 2015 16:48:14 GMT -5
I've never watched it, but the DDT promotion sounds like wrestlecrap in the best possible way, especially their Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship. I'll let wikipedia explain Other title holders include a baseball bat, TWO OTHER LADDERS, a chair, a painting, a pint of beer, two different inflatable love dolls, and an invisible wrestler who was beaten by knockout after being shot with a ray gun. DDT also features bizarre gimmick matches, "including a hardcore match in a campsite (which featured use of bottle rockets as weapons), an "Office Deathmatch" (where the ring was set up to resemble a section of an office building, complete with cubicle walls and computers), and a "Silence Match" (where wrestlers were forbidden to make loud noises, resulting in slow-motion chops and punches and featuring the commentary team speaking in a faux-whisper)." One of the love dolls on the roster has been killed three times, once by Kenny Omega. (though I'm not sure if the subsequent dolls are meant to be the same doll, or like Tiger Mask II) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_Dream_TeamAll of this sounds glorious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 17:02:03 GMT -5
I've never watched it, but the DDT promotion sounds like wrestlecrap in the best possible way, especially their Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship. I'll let wikipedia explain Other title holders include a baseball bat, TWO OTHER LADDERS, a chair, a painting, a pint of beer, two different inflatable love dolls, and an invisible wrestler who was beaten by knockout after being shot with a ray gun. DDT also features bizarre gimmick matches, "including a hardcore match in a campsite (which featured use of bottle rockets as weapons), an "Office Deathmatch" (where the ring was set up to resemble a section of an office building, complete with cubicle walls and computers), and a "Silence Match" (where wrestlers were forbidden to make loud noises, resulting in slow-motion chops and punches and featuring the commentary team speaking in a faux-whisper)." One of the love dolls on the roster has been killed three times, once by Kenny Omega. (though I'm not sure if the subsequent dolls are meant to be the same doll, or like Tiger Mask II) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_Dream_TeamThat sound amazing. Is there a youtube video with it's entire history? I need to see some of that shit.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 2, 2015 17:35:40 GMT -5
Ken the Box, Little Undertaker Girl and Baby Akebono
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Post by chuck the duke on Jan 2, 2015 17:45:57 GMT -5
I've never watched it, but the DDT promotion sounds like wrestlecrap in the best possible way, especially their Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship. I'll let wikipedia explain Other title holders include a baseball bat, TWO OTHER LADDERS, a chair, a painting, a pint of beer, two different inflatable love dolls, and an invisible wrestler who was beaten by knockout after being shot with a ray gun. DDT also features bizarre gimmick matches, "including a hardcore match in a campsite (which featured use of bottle rockets as weapons), an "Office Deathmatch" (where the ring was set up to resemble a section of an office building, complete with cubicle walls and computers), and a "Silence Match" (where wrestlers were forbidden to make loud noises, resulting in slow-motion chops and punches and featuring the commentary team speaking in a faux-whisper)." One of the love dolls on the roster has been killed three times, once by Kenny Omega. (though I'm not sure if the subsequent dolls are meant to be the same doll, or like Tiger Mask II) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_Dream_TeamThat sound amazing. Is there a youtube video with it's entire history? I need to see some of that shit. Here's the video of the Iron Man Heavymetalweight Championship being won by the title belt. It's fantastic, comedy wrestling at its best. At the time various wrestlers were competing to have the 1,000th championship reign for that title. Things didn't go as planned...
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Post by Dragonfly on Jan 2, 2015 17:51:58 GMT -5
I've never watched it, but the DDT promotion sounds like wrestlecrap in the best possible way, especially their Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship. I'll let wikipedia explain Other title holders include a baseball bat, TWO OTHER LADDERS, a chair, a painting, a pint of beer, two different inflatable love dolls, and an invisible wrestler who was beaten by knockout after being shot with a ray gun. DDT also features bizarre gimmick matches, "including a hardcore match in a campsite (which featured use of bottle rockets as weapons), an "Office Deathmatch" (where the ring was set up to resemble a section of an office building, complete with cubicle walls and computers), and a "Silence Match" (where wrestlers were forbidden to make loud noises, resulting in slow-motion chops and punches and featuring the commentary team speaking in a faux-whisper)." One of the love dolls on the roster has been killed three times, once by Kenny Omega. (though I'm not sure if the subsequent dolls are meant to be the same doll, or like Tiger Mask II) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_Dream_TeamThe 1,000th Ironman Heavymetalweight champion was the physical title belt. ...And here's that epic war between the ladder and a dog:
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Post by Larryhausen on Jan 2, 2015 20:51:08 GMT -5
I've never watched it, but the DDT promotion sounds like wrestlecrap in the best possible way, especially their Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship. I'll let wikipedia explain Other title holders include a baseball bat, TWO OTHER LADDERS, a chair, a painting, a pint of beer, two different inflatable love dolls, and an invisible wrestler who was beaten by knockout after being shot with a ray gun. DDT also features bizarre gimmick matches, "including a hardcore match in a campsite (which featured use of bottle rockets as weapons), an "Office Deathmatch" (where the ring was set up to resemble a section of an office building, complete with cubicle walls and computers), and a "Silence Match" (where wrestlers were forbidden to make loud noises, resulting in slow-motion chops and punches and featuring the commentary team speaking in a faux-whisper)." One of the love dolls on the roster has been killed three times, once by Kenny Omega. (though I'm not sure if the subsequent dolls are meant to be the same doll, or like Tiger Mask II) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_Dream_TeamThe 1,000th Ironman Heavymetalweight champion was the physical title belt. ...And here's that epic war between the ladder and a dog: Isn't this the title that was won by a table, who dropped it to a bowl placed on the table, which then lost it to a bunch of rice that was put in the bowl? Then the guy that ate the rice was declared champ? Or am I imagi this?
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Jan 2, 2015 22:03:57 GMT -5
Nagata/Saku vs Gracies was pure unwatchable crap.
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Post by chrom on Jan 2, 2015 22:46:36 GMT -5
The Gracies, it was a callback to the dark days of NJPW
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jan 2, 2015 23:08:10 GMT -5
I'd nominate Lesnar's IWGP title run.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 2, 2015 23:32:23 GMT -5
This match comes to mind
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Post by Dragonfly on Jan 3, 2015 3:27:36 GMT -5
If you want actual wrestle crap, check out most of Kodo Fuyuki's run as the booker of FMW/WEW and Inoki's MMA hard on and outright weirdness in the early 2000's NJPW (most notably stuff like Chono vs Chyna, sticking Josh Barnett in a Tokyo Dome main-event when he had 0 experience in a pro-wrestling ring, the Sasaki/Fujita title "match" from 2004, the "Ultimate Royal" match, putting Yuji Nagata, Manabu Nakanishi, Katsuyori Shibata and Shinsuke Nakamura in MMA matches they should've never had, most of the Makai Club's run and everything pretending to Brock Lesnar in New Japan). Could you please expound on... Well... Everything you mentioned above? I'm curious.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 3, 2015 10:55:47 GMT -5
Well... Fuyuki was a midcarder-for-life everywhere he went and his run as FMW booker (which would last until the end of he promotion) could be summarized as "Vince Russo Power Trip: Actually a Japanese Wrestler Edition" (so... pushed himself to the moon, stupid storylines that made no sence, shitty gimmicks being introduced, overworking guys to the point they aggravated injuries they already had, basically changin the whole style of the company within a year, etc.).
As for the Inoki stuff... oh boy.
Chono vs Chyna was a match in a Tokyo Dome show. It was awful and served no purpose whatsoever.
Josh Barnett had just been kicked out of the MMA world for the first time for steroid use, Inoki gave him a big ass contract andan immediate title shot against Yuji Nagata on his first ever wrestling match. He would eventually become a decent pro-wrestler, but Nagata struggled to carry him for 10 minutes that time around.
The Kensuke Sasaki/Kazuyuki Fujita title match was booked in a way that pissed off A LOT of fans on both the company and both wrestlers (more so on Fujita, who was a clear Inoki-guy since the 90's). It's a thing that needs to be seen to be believed. And I'm kinda shocked WWE didn't use that finish already.
The Ultimate Royal match was just a very poorly concieved idea with an even poorer execution. Imagine doing a 8-man tournament in the time that it takes to have a match and none of the matches went over 6 minutes and you could only win by KO or submission.
The wrestlers being in MMA matches is self explanatory. But it was especially crushing to both Yuji Nagata and Manabu Nakanishi who were in the top of their careers and got devastating losses that they barely recovered from but never again got as popular as they were (especially Nagata, losing in seconds against Cro-Cop when he was the KO machine).
The Makai Club was a faction composed of wrestlers using masks to hide their identities (for the most part. Tadao Yasuda, Kasuyori Shibata and Kazunori Murakami didn't mask themselves, and others were unmasked as time went on). Problems: they were mostly composed by midcarders, never beens or people way past their prime that the company was trying to push as a threat to anyone in the company and failing to do so as most people knew who they were; they were led by Kantaro Hoshino, former New Japan mainstay in the 70's and 80's who was known as a rule breaker but was loved by the public for the most part, making it difficult ot root against him; they were basically just there. Really, excluding the time when Shibata and Murakami were going for titles they were just there to fill out the card, with not much of a purpose other than giving former shoot-style wrestlers some work (because Inoki loves it!).
And Brock Lesnar was just awful in everything he did in New Japan. He came in, was inserted in a already estabilished title match, wins the title, only defends it against the people he wanted to, never toured with the company (that sounds familiar), put awful match after awful match and when he was told he was dropping the title to Tanahashi he up and left the company without notice taking the title belt with him (which New Japan stopped recognizing as the IWGP Heavyweight title belt and recognizing instead the belt used prior to that giving birth to that confusing time where there were two belts going around and eventually cuminating in a unification match a couple of years later when Nakamura defeated Angle to unify the title in a rather short match). The fact that with Lesnar as champion) NJPW had some of its worst attendences of all time was also pretty telling.
And yes, most of this we can blame on the Inoki's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 11:00:47 GMT -5
Yano my god he's japanese Santino and he sucks just as much.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 3, 2015 11:09:07 GMT -5
Minoru Suzuki, a protege of Karl Gotch, and a guy who has had MOTY with the likes of Tanahashi and Styles, once had a blood feud with Mecha Mummy
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Post by Dragonfly on Jan 3, 2015 12:32:30 GMT -5
Minoru Suzuki, a protege of Karl Gotch, and a guy who has had MOTY with the likes of Tanahashi and Styles, once had a blood feud with Mecha Mummy But it's DDT. I would expect nothing less from them.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jan 3, 2015 12:36:01 GMT -5
i cant find the fujita vs sasaki match, what happened there? do you had a video?
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