Boo!
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Post by Boo! on Jan 3, 2015 10:52:55 GMT -5
I know Ziggler has fans but I worry that he's too associated still with his 'jobbing to anything with two legs' phase for the IC title to mean anything on him. At the moment Ziggler is going through a renaissance in a sense but does it help him or the belt to have it on him?
I'd give it to someone like Rollins who at the moment is probably a more 'top' guy than Ziggler in the sense that he hasn't spent 2 years being booked like an insignificance. This will give the IC strap credence too. Then, perhaps at WM or SS you have the belt on someone who is booked strong, Ziggler has been steadily gaining heat by not jobbing out to anyone who walks through the certain and you have at SS:
Zigger winning an IC title that means something from a guy who rarely loses meaning that the after effect will be both Ziggler and the title he holds looks strong.
Now I'm not sure if you can make the belt and Ziggler look strong simultaneously. Ziggler's 'rehabilitation' in the eyes of the casual fans as jobbing fodder and is still in the midsts of it's process therefore the strap isn't getting the rub from Ziggler and perversely Ziggler isn't then getting the rub from the strap. It still feels like 'guy steadily becoming a force again but isn't there yet with a belt that's suffering through association'
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JDviant
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Post by JDviant on Jan 3, 2015 13:09:18 GMT -5
Probably not, but I'm not going to fully blame Ziggler for it. Ziggler is now a 4 time champion, and thats after being a two-time heavyweight champion. For an old man like shows that the belt is not that important. Its not a belt that says you're on the cusp of being the best if you've already been the top guy in the company and you're competing for it. The last two times I personally cared for the title was when Cody brought the white belt back, and then several years before, when Jeff Hardy, Nitro, Carlito, and other promising young midcarders whom could maybe get to the top were competing for it on RAW. I love Jericho, but him wrestling for it also felt wrong imo.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 3, 2015 13:13:39 GMT -5
The fact that a former World Heavyweight Champion is fighting for the Intercontinental Title rather than being booked as being "too good for it" for no real reason makes it meaningful.
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JDviant
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Post by JDviant on Jan 3, 2015 13:27:39 GMT -5
To me it shows he can't make it as the actual champion. Sami Zayn just put his career on the line trying to show he can be at the top of his profession at the level he is, and Ziggler is showing he doesn't have that much dedication and commitment to being the best*.
*in storyline, of course.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 3, 2015 15:08:42 GMT -5
I think it's really just as simple as having Ziggler win. He's over in spite of his terrible jobbing streaks, and holding the jobber title. So ket him look strong against a series of midcarders and former world champions, with a solid series of clean wins over six to eight months. Don't let him lose to the #1 contender on Raw every week to make them look strong. Put him over as a great wrestler who has a fire lit under his ass and is determined to put on great matches and hold onto the IC title like it's the most important thing in the world to him. It's as simple as changing how you book the title and the guy. The crowd will but it because they like Ziggler and want him to succeed. When you have a heel take it off of him, it gets some heat on them so that they can also have a strong run with the title.
All you need to save any title, or anybody who the crowd still likes, is to put your mind one day to not f***ing them up anymore. If they can stick to solid booking for a few months and give people a reason to care--like, y'know, proper feuds--then in time it'll work out.
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