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Post by Reflecto on Jan 5, 2015 12:38:24 GMT -5
For the people complaining- being fair, NJPW World's launch at 999 yen is a bigger proof of the amount than WWE Network is. If it's just WWE Network, it's one thing- but New Japan's launch for a separate service has just made it clear that 9.99 in local currency is the current price point for VOD wrestling. Uhhhh, 999 yen is 5.49p and $8.39. And they just dumped everything they had already onto it, they aren't putting stuff on there at a glacier pace. That's my whole point, though- as I said. Even though 999 yen is 5.49p or $8.39, it's still 999 yen, so it is $9.99 in Japanese currency. As said before in the thread, the going price for a VOD wrestling service is a 9.99 flat price point, regardless of currency fluctuations. Sometimes it benefits the international consumers, sometimes it doesn't. It's not New Japan caring for the international market more or WWE trying to gouge the international consumers, that's just a fact of finance. Again, it's also important to have a flat price point, just from the same facts of this very thread: 15 hours ago when the thread opened, the exchange rate was 6.54p= $9.99 USD. 4 minutes ago, and 15 hours later, I have no problem with the price. Isn't 10 bucks basically the equivelent of 10 pounds when you think about it? No, 10 dollars converts to £6.56 on todays exchange rate. Quite a vast difference. That's a real part to count currency differences- it fluctuates from day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute, up to second to second with how quickly stock markets can turn. Having flat price points helps keep the prices relatively stable and means the consumer isn't forced to pick up the pace for the stock market- and if you don't like paying 9.99p right now due to it being more expensive in pounds/Euros, would you prefer paying for the month or regular subscription, then having a couple pence an hour put in or taken out of your account to account for exchange rates, or have the Network price fluctuate like the prices of gas?
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jan 5, 2015 12:47:04 GMT -5
1)i'll believe it when i see it. 2) a tenner a month isn't that bad - better than paying £15 a month for ppvs - £20 now sky has upped the price 3) no free month or make up deal for the last fiasco is pretty balls - the Survivor series is a big 4 ppv, not rumble standard I know, but still, it was free all over america which last time i checked was far bigger than here.
also any word on if it will be a monthly rolling deal or a locked in tenner a month for x amount of months?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 13:00:06 GMT -5
Uhhhh, 999 yen is 5.49p and $8.39. And they just dumped everything they had already onto it, they aren't putting stuff on there at a glacier pace. That's my whole point, though- as I said. Even though 999 yen is 5.49p or $8.39, it's still 999 yen, so it is $9.99 in Japanese currency. As said before in the thread, the going price for a VOD wrestling service is a 9.99 flat price point, regardless of currency fluctuations. Sometimes it benefits the international consumers, sometimes it doesn't. It's not New Japan caring for the international market more or WWE trying to gouge the international consumers, that's just a fact of finance. Again, it's also important to have a flat price point, just from the same facts of this very thread: 15 hours ago when the thread opened, the exchange rate was 6.54p= $9.99 USD. 4 minutes ago, and 15 hours later, No, 10 dollars converts to £6.56 on todays exchange rate. Quite a vast difference. That's a real part to count currency differences- it fluctuates from day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute, up to second to second with how quickly stock markets can turn. Having flat price points helps keep the prices relatively stable and means the consumer isn't forced to pick up the pace for the stock market- and if you don't like paying 9.99p right now due to it being more expensive in pounds/Euros, would you prefer paying for the month or regular subscription, then having a couple pence an hour put in or taken out of your account to account for exchange rates, or have the Network price fluctuate like the prices of gas? No, set it at 6.99 so the UK fans pay the same as everyone else on Earth and f*** advertising gimmicks. Unless a cheesy promo advert is better than not robbing fans. Netflix and Amazon manage it fine, it is ridiculous.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 5, 2015 13:01:51 GMT -5
Serious question here, because I intend to buy the Network when it gets here regardless of price (sad but true) so haven't been following the debacle - but doesn't the blame lie with Sky here rather than WWE?
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Post by Dodge08 on Jan 5, 2015 13:02:59 GMT -5
The UK should expect to pay more for things and should not be shocked by it. After all, the EU is going to bleed them dry over the next 5 years. UK fans you can fly to my house in the USA to watch the network if it will save you euros. Or are you still using pounds? What in the blue hell are you talking about? 1)i'll believe it when i see it. 2) a tenner a month isn't that bad - better than paying £15 a month for ppvs - £20 now sky has upped the price 3) no free month or make up deal for the last fiasco is pretty balls - the Survivor series is a big 4 ppv, not rumble standard I know, but still, it was free all over america which last time i checked was far bigger than here. also any word on if it will be a monthly rolling deal or a locked in tenner a month for x amount of months? Looking to be a monthly rolling / no commitment required package! So we get the network finally and you still bitch? No pleasing some people. It's not at all unfair to make that point though, at one stage its "First month free, £6.54 (they said it would be $9.99 here too originally), back in November" and now it's with absolutely no perks whatsoever "No free month (and no free £20 PPV - quoting Sky Box Office pricing), £9.99 which is equivalent to about $14 and its 3 months late" The point us Brits on here are making is that they could have at least shown a gesture of apology by even something as small as 10% off the first month or two - it's not a lot to ask, every other country got better than that, why would they essentially punish the UK universe just because they couldn't get Sky to pipe down in time?
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Post by Dodge08 on Jan 5, 2015 13:05:47 GMT -5
I will get the Network but it should be the same for all fans. People should not pay more for the same. I just wanna give Sky the middle finger more, lol. That's the whole point. It IS the same for all fans- 9.99, as a flat rate. If WWE were to make it equal exactly to $9.99 in US dollars, then you have to deal with the fact that exchange rates for currency fluctuate day to day- if not as low as second to second as the stock markets are open- meaning the price could change at any time of the day. Having one set, uniform price for the entire world just bypasses these currency fluctuations and makes it easier for the consumer in the long run. (If that's still not enough for the UK fans, admit it- you know in your hearts if the situation was reversed and $6.50 in US dollars was equal to 9.99 in Euros, none of you would shed one tear for American Network subscribers.) I agree with this entirely, the network DOES cost the same in every country in so much as $9.99 is worth the same to a US viewer as much as £9.99 means the same to a UK viewer, comparatively in our own separate economies it's worth the same. But when WWE suggest that it will at first cost less and now actually it won't and also you can't have the network for an unspecified amount of time whilst we aimlessly and repeatedly plug it on all of the TV we show whilst hyping up the rest of the world to get excited about their free month and free top 4 PPV, it feels a bit crappy to just be like "well anyway, we've fixed it, so... here ya go!" On saying that it's unfair to say that none of us would care if it were the other way around, of course we would, as much as there are some non-brits here that are saying "hey actually that does kinda suck" and in the same way that you are also not "shedding a tear" that you got the free PPV and free month that we didn't... so it works both ways, globally as a fanbase we should all be on the same side not against each other
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 13:24:19 GMT -5
That's the whole point. It IS the same for all fans- 9.99, as a flat rate. If WWE were to make it equal exactly to $9.99 in US dollars, then you have to deal with the fact that exchange rates for currency fluctuate day to day- if not as low as second to second as the stock markets are open- meaning the price could change at any time of the day. Having one set, uniform price for the entire world just bypasses these currency fluctuations and makes it easier for the consumer in the long run. (If that's still not enough for the UK fans, admit it- you know in your hearts if the situation was reversed and $6.50 in US dollars was equal to 9.99 in Euros, none of you would shed one tear for American Network subscribers.) I agree with this entirely, the network DOES cost the same in every country in so much as $9.99 is worth the same to a US viewer as much as £9.99 means the same to a UK viewer, comparatively in our own separate economies it's worth the same. But when WWE suggest that it will at first cost less and now actually it won't and also you can't have the network for an unspecified amount of time whilst we aimlessly and repeatedly plug it on all of the TV we show whilst hyping up the rest of the world to get excited about their free month and free top 4 PPV, it feels a bit crappy to just be like "well anyway, we've fixed it, so... here ya go!" On saying that it's unfair to say that none of us would case if it were the other way around, of course we would, as much as there are some non-brits here that are saying "hey actually that does kinda suck" and in the same way that you are also not "shedding a tear" that you got the free PPV and free month that we didn't... so it works both ways, globally as a fanbase we should all be on the same side not against each other But that is rubbish. If I go on the US Amazon and spend 9.99 dollars, only 6 or 7 pounds will leave my bank. I live in the UK, I do not care what the US economy is. Let's see how US fans react if the Network price goes up to 12 dollars to match us. It is not the same at all.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 5, 2015 13:27:21 GMT -5
I agree with this entirely, the network DOES cost the same in every country in so much as $9.99 is worth the same to a US viewer as much as £9.99 means the same to a UK viewer, comparatively in our own separate economies it's worth the same. But when WWE suggest that it will at first cost less and now actually it won't and also you can't have the network for an unspecified amount of time whilst we aimlessly and repeatedly plug it on all of the TV we show whilst hyping up the rest of the world to get excited about their free month and free top 4 PPV, it feels a bit crappy to just be like "well anyway, we've fixed it, so... here ya go!" On saying that it's unfair to say that none of us would case if it were the other way around, of course we would, as much as there are some non-brits here that are saying "hey actually that does kinda suck" and in the same way that you are also not "shedding a tear" that you got the free PPV and free month that we didn't... so it works both ways, globally as a fanbase we should all be on the same side not against each other But that is rubbish. If I go on the US Amazon and spend 9.99 dollars, only 6 or 7 pounds will leave my bank. I live in the UK, I do not care what the US economy is. Let's see how US fans react if the Network price goes up to 12 dollars to match us. It is not the same at all. But buying one item is different to a subscription service. Surely it's easy to see why "Sign up for this service for about £6.45, give or take" has its problems? You can't really sell something with such a vague pricing point. If they marketed as $9.99 here itd be even more off putting as a lot of people would have no clue how much it is. People generally don't make impulse buys if they need to do some research and homework on it first.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 13:34:36 GMT -5
That is why I keep saying do what Netflix and Amazon do and set it at 6.99 then. I am baffled at people arguing in favour of ripping people off for living in the UK.
I am out of this thread. My way of thinking clearly does not fit in here.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 5, 2015 13:43:48 GMT -5
That is why I keep saying do what Netflix and Amazon do and set it at 6.99 then. I am baffled at people arguing in favour of ripping people off for living in the UK. I am out of this thread. My way of thinking clearly does not fit in here. But Netflix charge far more for UK subscribers than it does US ones and we don't get half the content.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 5, 2015 14:00:41 GMT -5
Sounds like everyone pissed about pricing needs to simply NOT get the Network. Be happy paying more for just PPVs and no other monthly content. Problem solved!
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Post by Boo! on Jan 5, 2015 14:14:50 GMT -5
Let's speculate on subscriber numbers.
According to Meltzer PPV's buys from the UK this year "is known to have been hovering between 65,000 and 85,000 subscribers depending on the month."
So those are people who didn't navigate the geoblock and get the US version of the Network. Let's estimate that those people sit around 10,000. So I'd guess weighing up the pros and cons: cheaper price, online only, viewing time flexibility - I'd be surprised if the UK subscriber numbers were much below 75,000 - 100,000 range depending on the month.
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Post by pepsitwist on Jan 5, 2015 14:27:21 GMT -5
*Nope* gif.
Not subscribing. It's taken this long to get it sorted. Feels like they've dropped the ball with us for so long.
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Post by Dodge08 on Jan 5, 2015 14:55:19 GMT -5
That is why I keep saying do what Netflix and Amazon do and set it at 6.99 then. I am baffled at people arguing in favour of ripping people off for living in the UK. I am out of this thread. My way of thinking clearly does not fit in here. Not at all mate, what you are saying makes complete sense, the bottom line is none of us here work for WWE or have the influence to make the decision you're proposing so it's pointless anyone getting over excited about it. I agree with you though. *Nope* gif. Not subscribing. It's taken this long to get it sorted. Feels like they've dropped the ball with us for so long. Completely agree, the only reason I am personally annoyed about it is because I do want the network personally but I hate the way these companies go about making you sign up - for example now Sky have put their PPV prices up across the board (and it costs an extra £16/$24 per month to just get Sky Sports to watch even SD/RAW anyway) it feels very forced on WWE's part - as though their saying "I know which option I'd pick..." Overall no one from the UK here is moaning about just the price, its the overall treatment, the things they retracted in their propositions beforehand - late, no free month like everyone else got (including a free top 4 PPV) and flat rate pricing just doesn't give the UK fans any incentive to sign up whatsoever!
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jan 5, 2015 15:54:14 GMT -5
The UK should expect to pay more for things and should not be shocked by it. After all, the EU is going to bleed them dry over the next 5 years. UK fans you can fly to my house in the USA to watch the network if it will save you euros. Or are you still using pounds? Gone. Your stupidity knows no bounds. I hope I don't get gassed typing this.
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Post by sammylip17 on Jan 5, 2015 15:55:43 GMT -5
Sounds like everyone pissed about pricing needs to simply NOT get the Network. Be happy paying more for just PPVs and no other monthly content. Problem solved! Or watch ppv's the next day for free. That's what a lot of fans will do as this will piss off fans no doubt
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 17:52:51 GMT -5
I agree with this entirely, the network DOES cost the same in every country in so much as $9.99 is worth the same to a US viewer as much as £9.99 means the same to a UK viewer, comparatively in our own separate economies it's worth the same. This is exactly what I was trying to say but couldn't get the right words out.
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 5, 2015 18:08:18 GMT -5
You were going to get it three months ago, but it didn't launch because of Sky, so I don't get why everyone is upset about it.
Because it costs more than in the US? The US Dollar is barely worth the paper it's printed on, so there's that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 18:29:50 GMT -5
That is why I keep saying do what Netflix and Amazon do and set it at 6.99 then. I am baffled at people arguing in favour of ripping people off for living in the UK. I am out of this thread. My way of thinking clearly does not fit in here. That sounds reasonable to me. Having it be 9.99 no matter what currency because it's catchy doens't make much sense. 3 pounds cheaper would be a lot catchier, wouldn't it?
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 5, 2015 19:16:34 GMT -5
Those of you advocating a flat rate of 9.99, be it Dollars, Pounds, Euros or whatever are not really thinking things through. There is no reason at all why they cost dhouldn't be $ 9.99 worldwide. None whatsoever. At a flat 9.99-rate I would pay the equivalent of ca $1,34, with todays exchange rate. Sounds good to me, but there's absolutely no frickin' way WWE would allow for that, as it would be insane business practice. Besides, you pay with a credit card and then the bank/institute/whatever automatically exchanges what you pay to Dollars and vice versa. Yeah, there is probably a small exchange rate involved, or rather, I know there is, but everything happens automatically.
If the cost for the UK/Ireland version of the network is indeed £9.99/€12.99, and it looks to be, that consumer base is getting screwed. Plain and simple.
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