Is Reigns a red herring? (Kane interview)

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So Kane in a recent interview said Reigns is "poised for big things" in the Rumble which you can read here (Although you have to sign up). I don't ever recall a time when someone has basically said in an interview that a certain guy is going to win, especially a veteran and company guy like Kane, so maybe they're making Reigns the big red herring and someone shocking could be walking out Rumble winner?

[xCompackx]

The good thing about the Royal Rumble is that (as Daniel Bryan proved last year by not even being in the match) sometimes you can accomplish more by not winning than you do by winning. So I wouldn't count on this being proof that Roman Reigns is going to win.

[Apricots And A Pear Tree]

Roman Reigns is Communism?

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Man...I really wish Reigns would turn heel.

He's has the accomplishments, he has the empowering look, he has the presence, he has the office behind him, he has the family, he has everything (besides mic work and ring skills) that'll make him a great heel. Imagine Reigns learning directly from Triple H and Kane of all people. Look what it did to Rollins. If Reigns went heel, the roof would blow off the place. It's the perfect setup.

[audiencewatching]

Doesn't flat out say it, wouldn't even say its implied. Big things could be anything.

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

Jan 5, 2015 12:30:08 GMT -5 @wvguitar said:

That's not very funny, babygurl!

[deancubed]

Reigns' mic and ring work is fine, y'all just be putting him on a pedestal cause you heard he's supposed to be the next big thing so since he's no Hogan or Rock he 'doesn't deserve it'. Lesnar has no good mic work either but you don't see him getting crapped on for it. They gave him Heyman and it's all good. Give Reigns a good manager or a teammate to do the talking, like in the Shield, and he can still be a main event player. Better yet, blame the WRITING. Not Reigns' fault they give him that kind of crap to say. "Cock this fist and make it rain in this bitch". Unless your name is Dwayne Johnson, you aren't going to make that line sound good. That's the problem - the writers are writing for Rock instead of Reigns, because Reigns is a Samoan badass, they are giving him Rock lines. It's like giving Cena's jokes to Undertaker. They aren't going to work.

As for his ring work - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. He has awesome moves, including drop kicks, flying punches, big power moves, and he's pretty quick for a big guy. It's the same as people bashing Cena for 'bad ring skills' even to this day. Yeah, he's a hoss. Hosses have their place, and you can't tell me Cena, The Rock, HHH, Batista, Kane, Big Show, etc. are bad wrestlers with poor in-ring skills. And yet those guys get called bad in-ring workers all the time. Just cause they aren't doing flippy indy crap, or Benoit/Angle countermoves and submissions.

[Dat Dude]

What if Reigns is in the final two but is eliminated not by Ziggler or Bryan but by a heel via screwjob? Would the heel heat that Reigns would've gotten be then transferred to the heel thus having Reigns gain sympathy from the crowd?

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Jan 5, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5 deancubed said:

Reigns' mic and ring work is fine, y'all just be putting him on a pedestal cause you heard he's supposed to be the next big thing so since he's no Hogan or Rock he 'doesn't deserve it'. Lesnar has no good mic work either but you don't see him getting crapped on for it. They gave him Heyman and it's all good. Give Reigns a good manager or a teammate to do the talking, like in the Shield, and he can still be a main event player. Better yet, blame the WRITING. Not Reigns' fault they give him that kind of crap to say. "Cock this fist and make it rain in this bitch". Unless your name is Dwayne Johnson, you aren't going to make that line sound good. That's the problem - the writers are writing for Rock instead of Reigns, because Reigns is a Samoan badass, they are giving him Rock lines. It's like giving Cena's jokes to Undertaker. They aren't going to work.

As for his ring work - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. He has awesome moves, including drop kicks, flying punches, big power moves, and he's pretty quick for a big guy. It's the same as people bashing Cena for 'bad ring skills' even to this day. Yeah, he's a hoss. Hosses have their place, and you can't tell me Cena, The Rock, HHH, Batista, Kane, Big Show, etc. are bad wrestlers with poor in-ring skills. And yet those guys get called bad in-ring workers all the time. Just cause they aren't doing flippy indy crap, or Benoit/Angle countermoves and submissions.

There's nothing wrong with being a power guy, but Reigns isn't a very good one. Yeah, he has several big, high-impact moves but that's all he has. Great for tag matches, but when he's called on to work an actual singles match, he doesn't have anything he can actually do before his big spots so you just get stuff like that dull match with Rollins where 90% of it was him being trapped in a chinlock.

And even if he were great in the ring, he's had one singles match on PPV in his entire career. Even if he were blowing the roof off the place, cutting legendary promos, and putting on classics, he still probably wouldn't be a good choice for that sort of push at this point in time, and he isn't doing any of those things.

People aren't on board with the Reigns push because they legitimately don't enjoy watching him at this point in time, not out of spite for him being the next big thing or whatever.

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Jan 5, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5 deancubed said:

Reigns' mic and ring work is fine, y'all just be putting him on a pedestal cause you heard he's supposed to be the next big thing so since he's no Hogan or Rock he 'doesn't deserve it'. Lesnar has no good mic work either but you don't see him getting crapped on for it. They gave him Heyman and it's all good. Give Reigns a good manager or a teammate to do the talking, like in the Shield, and he can still be a main event player. Better yet, blame the WRITING. Not Reigns' fault they give him that kind of crap to say. "Cock this fist and make it rain in this bitch". Unless your name is Dwayne Johnson, you aren't going to make that line sound good. That's the problem - the writers are writing for Rock instead of Reigns, because Reigns is a Samoan badass, they are giving him Rock lines. It's like giving Cena's jokes to Undertaker. They aren't going to work.

As for his ring work - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. He has awesome moves, including drop kicks, flying punches, big power moves, and he's pretty quick for a big guy. It's the same as people bashing Cena for 'bad ring skills' even to this day. Yeah, he's a hoss. Hosses have their place, and you can't tell me Cena, The Rock, HHH, Batista, Kane, Big Show, etc. are bad wrestlers with poor in-ring skills. And yet those guys get called bad in-ring workers all the time. Just cause they aren't doing flippy indy crap, or Benoit/Angle countermoves and submissions.

Where?

Not on this board. People don't even say Cena's horrible in the ring here. Hell, most people say Cena's great in the ring because he is great in the ring. You can be still be great without having a Reverse 540 in your arsenal. As for everyone else you've mentioned? Cena, Rock, Triple H, Batista, Kane, Big Show.......they're all better than Reigns is. They are. You can't compare Reigns with these guys. Hell the only one out of the bunch that gets called "bad in the ring" is Batista and that's based on how rusty he was early last year but you can see months later that changed. Even though he was rusty, Batista was still better than Reigns is now.

I'm not sure where you're getting your opinions from but it's clearly not from FAN. I don't see people talking like this at all.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

^Also Batista is an actual hoss and wrestles the way he's expected to. Someone like Reigns who isn't quite as big and is more athletic should be held to a higher standard.

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Jan 5, 2015 12:27:01 GMT -5 Apricots And A Pear Tree said:

Roman Reigns is Communism?

Maybe we can get Eisenhower on creative to rollback Reigns' push.

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Jan 5, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5 deancubed said:

As for his ring work - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. He has awesome moves, including drop kicks, flying punches, big power moves, and he's pretty quick for a big guy. It's the same as people bashing Cena for 'bad ring skills' even to this day. Yeah, he's a hoss. Hosses have their place, and you can't tell me Cena, The Rock, HHH, Batista, Kane, Big Show, etc. are bad wrestlers with poor in-ring skills. And yet those guys get called bad in-ring workers all the time. Just cause they aren't doing flippy indy crap, or Benoit/Angle countermoves and submissions.

I just think it's odd that one would defend a guy for being called a hoss for using appropriate power moves and then say "flippy indy crap". Maybe people just have different styles and wrestling is better for having different types of wrestlers, as opposed to everyone working the same style?

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Jan 5, 2015 15:05:40 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

Jan 5, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5 deancubed said:

As for his ring work - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. He has awesome moves, including drop kicks, flying punches, big power moves, and he's pretty quick for a big guy. It's the same as people bashing Cena for 'bad ring skills' even to this day. Yeah, he's a hoss. Hosses have their place, and you can't tell me Cena, The Rock, HHH, Batista, Kane, Big Show, etc. are bad wrestlers with poor in-ring skills. And yet those guys get called bad in-ring workers all the time. Just cause they aren't doing flippy indy crap, or Benoit/Angle countermoves and submissions.

I just think it's odd that one would defend a guy for being called a hoss for using appropriate power moves and then say "flippy indy crap". Maybe people just have different styles and wrestling is better for having different types of wrestlers, as opposed to everyone working the same style?

Yeah, if anything, WWE is too same-y right now. Everyone's style and game plan feel the same. Punch, punch, clothesline, signature move, finisher. It would be like if every basketball team in the world did nothing but fast breaks and layups. With finishers and signature move as the only exceptions, no one is portrayed as having a better move of any kind than anyone else. Roman Reigns' punches and Dean Ambrose's punches and John Cena's punches in real life probably feel a good bit different, but no one treats them that way in the ring.

Like, as striking-oriented as he is, Reigns' whole strategy should be cornering someone and then chipping away at them with strikes, and repeating until the person is ready to be finished off. Instead, he wrestles the same generic, paint-by-numbers style that everyone else does.

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Jan 5, 2015 16:01:49 GMT -5 @mightykretzler said:

Jan 5, 2015 15:05:40 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

I just think it's odd that one would defend a guy for being called a hoss for using appropriate power moves and then say "flippy indy crap". Maybe people just have different styles and wrestling is better for having different types of wrestlers, as opposed to everyone working the same style?

Yeah, if anything, WWE is too same-y right now. Everyone's style and game plan feel the same. Punch, punch, clothesline, signature move, finisher. It would be like if every basketball team in the world did nothing but fast breaks and layups. With finishers and signature move as the only exceptions, no one is portrayed as having a better move of any kind than anyone else. Roman Reigns' punches and Dean Ambrose's punches and John Cena's punches in real life probably feel a good bit different, but no one treats them that way in the ring.

Like, as striking-oriented as he is, Reigns' whole strategy should be cornering someone and then chipping away at them with strikes, and repeating until the person is ready to be finished off. Instead, he wrestles the same generic, paint-by-numbers style that everyone else does.

They should have him working with people like Cesaro, Barrett, and Sheamus who can show him the appeal of just legitimately beating the hell out of somebody.

[benstudd]

Jan 5, 2015 16:01:49 GMT -5 @mightykretzler said:

Jan 5, 2015 15:05:40 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

I just think it's odd that one would defend a guy for being called a hoss for using appropriate power moves and then say "flippy indy crap". Maybe people just have different styles and wrestling is better for having different types of wrestlers, as opposed to everyone working the same style?

Yeah, if anything, WWE is too same-y right now. Everyone's style and game plan feel the same. Punch, punch, clothesline, signature move, finisher. It would be like if every basketball team in the world did nothing but fast breaks and layups. With finishers and signature move as the only exceptions, no one is portrayed as having a better move of any kind than anyone else. Roman Reigns' punches and Dean Ambrose's punches and John Cena's punches in real life probably feel a good bit different, but no one treats them that way in the ring.

Like, as striking-oriented as he is, Reigns' whole strategy should be cornering someone and then chipping away at them with strikes, and repeating until the person is ready to be finished off. Instead, he wrestles the same generic, paint-by-numbers style that everyone else does.

Their whole booking of Reigns' matches have been pretty flawed so far. Hell for a guy that is a power wrestler for one thing I think he sells and gets beat up too much. I guess it's to garner sympathy of some kind but I remember him being much more badass on the Shield. Most of matches of Reigns in single have been him being dominated and then getting out of it with his his three moves of doom. He's like the Crimson of the WWE. I wish he at least would be shown as a tough dominating brawler(and without having to always go back to this three moves). Then again maybe he cannot do it, who knows.

[deancubed]

My tone probably didn't help my point, I was just in a mood

Maybe not in the last couple of years, but when Cena and others were first becoming major players, they would get called bad wrestlers, get the 'you can't wrestle' chants, etc. The same thing is happening to Reigns right now. In fact, if he DOES win a championship, or has a 1v1 match with any face in the next few months, I would expect those 'you can't wrestle' chants to return very quick.

Reigns is just as good in the ring as, say, Rusev, Wyatt, Harper, Rowan, Sandow, Barrett... Which is not a bad thing at all. No, he hasn't had many opportunities to have impressive 1v1 matches. Most of the time he's been out of the Shield he was injured or in group matches. I don't see why he gets so much ill will, when just like many others right now, he hasn't had opportunities yet.

All we know is that 'insiders' say big things are planned. I personally want to see ALL of the Shield get solid main event spots this year. I just don't see why it matters which one of them is first.

Ziggler, Bryan, Rollins, Reigns, Ambrose, Rusev, and Wyatt might be our Main Event for the next decade or so. They will all get their chances, and there's no reason to resent and hate on Reigns if the WWE picks him to push first. Everyone will get a turn.

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Jan 5, 2015 18:52:24 GMT -5 deancubed said:

My tone probably didn't help my point, I was just in a mood

Maybe not in the last couple of years, but when Cena and others were first becoming major players, they would get called bad wrestlers, get the 'you can't wrestle' chants, etc. The same thing is happening to Reigns right now. In fact, if he DOES win a championship, or has a 1v1 match with any face in the next few months, I would expect those 'you can't wrestle' chants to return very quick.

Reigns is just as good in the ring as, say, Rusev, Wyatt, Harper, Rowan, Sandow, Barrett... Which is not a bad thing at all. No, he hasn't had many opportunities to have impressive 1v1 matches. Most of the time he's been out of the Shield he was injured or in group matches. I don't see why he gets so much ill will, when just like many others right now, he hasn't had opportunities yet.

All we know is that 'insiders' say big things are planned. I personally want to see ALL of the Shield get solid main event spots this year. I just don't see why it matters which one of them is first.

Ziggler, Bryan, Rollins, Reigns, Ambrose, Rusev, and Wyatt might be our Main Event for the next decade or so. They will all get their chances, and there's no reason to resent and hate on Reigns if the WWE picks him to push first. Everyone will get a turn.

What....are...you...saying?

Is this a troll post?

Each and every one of those guys is far better than Reigns, you can't compare them. You can't...my god man.

[Bub (BLM)]

Jan 5, 2015 14:06:55 GMT -5 Dat Dude said:

What if Reigns is in the final two but is eliminated not by Ziggler or Bryan but by a heel via screwjob? Would the heel heat that Reigns would've gotten be then transferred to the heel thus having Reigns gain sympathy from the crowd?

Depends on who the heel is. I feel like that Philly crowd would even cheer Rusev over Reigns.