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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 6, 2015 0:15:48 GMT -5
To be fair, Dean Ambrose has been pushed more then Roman Reigns. He was pushed into a candy cane wrapped kendo stick and today he was pushed into an ambulance.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 6, 2015 0:37:39 GMT -5
I'll say this. Ambrose will be on a losing Streak until Reigns wins the title. Ambrose will celebrate with Reigns but then suddenly go heel on him. Yeah it'll be like the Sayn/Owens NXT thing but it's going to happen, surely. It will happen. Whenever Reigns gets the belt, expect to see it. If my prediction of Rollins winning the title at Mania pans out, I am expecting him to side with Seth the next night on RAW (even if he beats Seth at Mania). Those two against Reigns for a few months in various singles matches before getting to a Triple Threat at Summerslam.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 6, 2015 0:41:08 GMT -5
The insane thing to me is that WWE's likely thinking is "Hey Ambrose is so over; great now we can job him out constantly no problem!"
I swear between this and the logic utilized in booking the IC champion, I'm convinced that if WWE was a parent, as soon as their child got a tetanus shot, they'd immediately have the kid start chewing rusty nails.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 6, 2015 1:15:51 GMT -5
I am not one to typically defend bad booking, but... it really doesn't seem to me like the audience is in any danger of seeing Ambrose as a loser. They treat him as important every time he's out there. This. I think the whole idea of Ambrose is that he's "crazy" and doesn't need to win matches.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 6, 2015 1:29:08 GMT -5
I don't get why they fight guys getting over. It is something I'll never understand.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 6, 2015 2:09:06 GMT -5
I don't get why they fight guys getting over. It is something I'll never understand. Because they have in their mind who they want as the top guy, and they intentionally sabotage wrestlers who the fans would choose over them. They tried doing it with Bryan, but his connection with the audience was too strong. I think that's why they're burying Ambrose so hard right now, because they didn't want a repeat. No one will convince me otherwise.
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 6, 2015 9:19:35 GMT -5
I'll say this. Ambrose will be on a losing Streak until Reigns wins the title. Ambrose will celebrate with Reigns but then suddenly go heel on him. Yeah it'll be like the Sayn/Owens NXT thing but it's going to happen, surely. It will happen. Whenever Reigns gets the belt, expect to see it. Is it going to like Edge/Cena last week where we get one overbearing, foreshadowing segment beforehand to remind us they're close? Ambrose can still bounce back. I'm not worried... yet.
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 6, 2015 10:12:48 GMT -5
To defend the quote in the OP, of the three Shield members Dean Ambrose is the ONLY one to have held a singles belt thus far. Best booking by default, as the MITB briefcase is only an idea not an actual accolade like the US title, and even Mizdow can get a MITB and tag team title run (all that Reigns and Rollins have to claim for their WWE thus far).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 10:40:25 GMT -5
My main issue lies in the fact that, even though Ambrose is still over, they still want him to lose in this ridculous manners. I mean... the stipulation of an Ambulance Match is to put the other guy in an Ambulance. That doesn't make them a weakling because they had to be knocked out, not just pinned. That doesn't mean Wyatt looks like a weakling in the end, because he already had won the majority of the feud.
I mean, I know this is all prefab stuff, but you gotta let Ambrose win every now and then, and I don't think he has won any kind of match on any serious programming (RAW or PPV) in months.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 6, 2015 10:42:13 GMT -5
Last night they didn't even try to protect Ambrose. He got his ass handed to him, took 2 Sister Abigails and was tossed in the ambulance. No run in. No screwjob. No TV exploding in his face. Just a beating. Again, to do what? Feature Bray Wyatt so he can job to The Undertaker? Why the hell do they need to protect Wyatt to do that in the first place? Look, no one cares about Taker now that the Streak is over. The match has no relevance. If Wyatt actually wins it just comes off like Taker is ultra washed up and needs to just retire since he's lost 2 straight at WM. If Taker goes over, you've succeeded in burying Wyatt and Ambrose.
The only way to salvage this is for Ambrose to get hot and win the Rumble.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2015 11:25:22 GMT -5
I mean...what were people expecting, exactly? Somebody had to lose this feud. In fact, my biggest complaint about it was that it had a bunch of indecisive victories that had both guys looking like goobers by the end of it so nobody got over. At least Bray gets some steam from a win here. To get someone over, somebody has to take an L and that person happened to be Ambrose this time around. Usually, I hate this argument but I just know that if Ambrose won, we'd have people on here complaining about how Bray was "buried" and how WWE dropped the ball with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 11:51:35 GMT -5
I mean...what were people expecting, exactly? Somebody had to lose this feud. In fact, my biggest complaint about it was that it had a bunch of indecisive victories that had both guys looking like goobers by the end of it so nobody got over. At least Bray gets some steam from a win here. To get someone over, somebody has to take an L and that person happened to be Ambrose this time around. Usually, I hate this argument but I just know that if Ambrose won, we'd have people on here complaining about how Bray was "buried" and how WWE dropped the ball with him. Some people, maybe, but I bet a lot of people would've justified it, because "something something he's fat" and "something something I don't like his promos." In all honesty it was a dumb idea to do the feud in the first place. Ambrose needed a win after losing the Rollins feud, and Wyatt needed a win after being buried by Cena. Why do a feud where neither guy can really afford a loss, to say nothing of multiple losses?
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Post by sunnytaker on Jan 6, 2015 12:15:23 GMT -5
with ambrose they make it seem like he could win all sorts of matches if he didn;t let his "craziness" get in the way and then he does something over the top to end up costing him the match.
took him how many clear shots at the contract match against cena before he finally grabbed the thing? exploding monitors, ooh a ghost!, "hey maybe while wyatt is out and 2 feet away from the ambulance i have to put him in-i'll just throw him in and win. OR i could, on my bad leg, slowly drag myself up the stage and leap onto the top of the ambulance and elbow wyatt through the table seeing how he's so beat up he couldn;t get out of the way while i'm doing all this, hurt myself more, give him extra time to recover and, hey how did i end up inside this ambulance?"
basically ambrose is jobbing himself out left and right the way they have him acting in feud matches.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2015 12:29:16 GMT -5
Neither guy has benefitted much from this feud. Ambrose has looked weak, and Bray seems directionless. He's lost massive amounts of momentum.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2015 12:31:46 GMT -5
I mean...what were people expecting, exactly? Somebody had to lose this feud. In fact, my biggest complaint about it was that it had a bunch of indecisive victories that had both guys looking like goobers by the end of it so nobody got over. At least Bray gets some steam from a win here. To get someone over, somebody has to take an L and that person happened to be Ambrose this time around. Usually, I hate this argument but I just know that if Ambrose won, we'd have people on here complaining about how Bray was "buried" and how WWE dropped the ball with him. Some people, maybe, but I bet a lot of people would've justified it, because "something something he's fat" and "something something I don't like his promos." In all honesty it was a dumb idea to do the feud in the first place. Ambrose needed a win after losing the Rollins feud, and Wyatt needed a win after being buried by Cena. Why do a feud where neither guy can really afford a loss, to say nothing of multiple losses? I agree, I wouldn't have booked the feud at this point and time but they had booked themselves into a corner here. Might as well commit to someone and try to build them up.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 6, 2015 12:36:04 GMT -5
Some people, maybe, but I bet a lot of people would've justified it, because "something something he's fat" and "something something I don't like his promos." In all honesty it was a dumb idea to do the feud in the first place. Ambrose needed a win after losing the Rollins feud, and Wyatt needed a win after being buried by Cena. Why do a feud where neither guy can really afford a loss, to say nothing of multiple losses? I agree, I wouldn't have booked the feud at this point and time but they had booked themselves into a corner here. Might as well commit to someone and try to build them up. How about just not making Ambrose look like a f***ing idiot then i.e. trying to use a plugged in TV as a weapon and it explodes in his face.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 6, 2015 12:36:18 GMT -5
Some people, maybe, but I bet a lot of people would've justified it, because "something something he's fat" and "something something I don't like his promos." In all honesty it was a dumb idea to do the feud in the first place. Ambrose needed a win after losing the Rollins feud, and Wyatt needed a win after being buried by Cena. Why do a feud where neither guy can really afford a loss, to say nothing of multiple losses? I agree, I wouldn't have booked the feud at this point and time but they had booked themselves into a corner here. Might as well commit to someone and try to build them up. Who else would they have feuded with? If Dean was working with "The New and Improved Fandango" and Bray was feuding Jey Uso with just for the sake of allowing each of them to win a feud, people would complain about them being shoved down the card.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2015 12:49:14 GMT -5
I agree, I wouldn't have booked the feud at this point and time but they had booked themselves into a corner here. Might as well commit to someone and try to build them up. How about just not making Ambrose look like a f***ing idiot then i.e. trying to use a plugged in TV as a weapon and it explodes in his face. Again, I agree but the point I'm making here is somebody was gonna lose. Somebody had to get beat. To me, it seems just seems odd to complain about a clean finish when we've had dumb shit like TV's blowing up in Ambrose's face. Those finishes hurt Ambrose way worse than losing that Ambulance match did.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 6, 2015 12:51:44 GMT -5
Also uh... Bray did already win a feud he beat Jericho...
yeah I don't blame you for not remembering that feud either... it was also terrible.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2015 12:55:02 GMT -5
I agree, I wouldn't have booked the feud at this point and time but they had booked themselves into a corner here. Might as well commit to someone and try to build them up. Who else would they have feuded with? If Dean was working with "The New and Improved Fandango" and Bray was feuding Jey Uso with just for the sake of allowing each of them to win a feud, people would complain about them being shoved down the card. Then you shuffle the card around. Don't waste time with that goofy Authority Survivor Series match and have Bray feud with Ziggler who was in a much better position to take a loss. And please don't give me that bullshit about how since Ziggler was the IC champion at the time, it would have been a step down for Bray. Ziggler was one of the most over faces on the roster and was one of the more pushed guys on the roster. If Ambrose was the only choice, they shouldn't have brought Bray back on TV at that point. That's booking yourself into a corner. Neither guy was in that great of a position to take a loss so why force them into a feud where it has to end with someone getting beat decisively for it to have any kind of impact or do any good besides filling up time?
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