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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2015 12:41:40 GMT -5
No
I have no doubt they go into every RAW thinking "this is great!!!"
Unfortunately reality doesn't have much of a relationship with WWE management.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 6, 2015 13:02:01 GMT -5
I'm all for Ziggler and Co. becoming Sting disciples. At least that sounds like a gloriously hilarious and awful storyline that might be kinda fun. From now until WM would be a decent length for such an angle, as opposed to Sting sulking for 16 months in WCW. That said, I watched Starrcade 1996 for the first time on Sunday and during the Giant/Luger match my brother and I went nuts for the Sting shenanigans some 18 years after the show first aired (he put the bat in the ring and whispered to both men, then they both went for it).
The problem with all of this is HHH needs to sell Sting, which I fear he won't do. He needs to get ultra angry, or afraid, or something other than being a smarmy douche that's full of himself.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 6, 2015 13:08:11 GMT -5
It's a shame too because even though I don't want the Authority back it had a good premise for the episode. Making Cena heel by unwitting association. But the Authority should be finished, it had the perfect ending at SS. Sting's debut after 2 decades has been made into a non event now. And how they brought them back was so stupid. Cena was never friends with Edge but Big Show was, but he's willing to paralyze him? Or it was a bluff and Cena is that stupid? And then a few days later they're on Smackdown like nothing happened. Sure they were going to sue, but why would they be allowed on TV? Made no damn sense, not even a "give them a break, they have ten hours of tv a week to book" logic.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 6, 2015 13:49:32 GMT -5
Sounds as though I dodged a bullet last night.
Then again, I knew the shit-strafing of WWE was coming the minute Seth Rollins had Edge's head on the briefcase. I didn't bother seeing the rest of it. At some point, there's a brief sense of powerlessness when you think that there is absolutely nothing you can do to win against such incredibly narcissistic and ultimately self-destructive behaviour. There's no way to stop it, no cup of soda you can lob; hell, no barricade jump that would ever be worth the cost to your sanity and the knowledge that it would only confirm it in their minds that what they were doing was right.
So, I turned off my TV. All I'll know about WWE from here on out, until the Authority Angle is done and Seth Rollins is jobbing to Zack Ryder, is what I read about it here.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2015 13:50:45 GMT -5
I didn't even think it was a bad show. If anything, I would say that was the best Raw in a while. Awful ending that made the faces look like trash but I didn't have much of a problem with the rest of the show. Actually, that's not true. I was thinking of last week's Raw. This show was kinda bad.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jan 6, 2015 13:51:27 GMT -5
"Dear FAN, Suck my dick. Love, Vincent Kennedy McMahon" "P.S. Kevin Dunn is going to give Finn Balor a drunken Irishman gimmick and jobbed him out to Sheamus when he debuts on Raw." I think the open letter would be addressed to a lot more people than this one board.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jan 6, 2015 13:54:19 GMT -5
So I take it was dog shit compared to last week's RAW, eh? That's not fair to dogs.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jan 6, 2015 13:54:41 GMT -5
Anyone remember when Raw had one of its better shows in months (among a string of pretty good shows) and the crowd was going absolutely bananas... ...only for the show to end with Stephanie McMahon being reintroduced as the new owner of ECW? Oddly enough, one of the first (maybe the first) times I ragequit a WWF show was when Stephanie McMahon was introduced as the Smackdown GM. Vince shocked everyone and introduced Bischoff on Monday and then on Thursday we were all expecting something good (Maybe Foley?) and then.....splat. I had traveled out of town for a convention and had friends (all either wrestling fans or at least tolerant of it) from all over the country were together having a party of sorts. It was easily the largest group I've ever watched without side a public event and I still turned the power off. And nobody got mad. The topper - at least three of those friends, two of which were uber fans, stopped watching after that show. The disappointment was too much. But I don't think any of those were intentional, just stupid decisions made in an effort to draw heat. Yeah, you drew heat, but the fans aren't paying next week to watch what happens next Buddy...high five.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 6, 2015 13:56:06 GMT -5
No. But it still was.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 6, 2015 14:42:48 GMT -5
No. You cannot make something intentionally awful with that many working parts. I think everyone on that level goes in with the right frame of mind, but somehow we end up with Batman and Robin or Space Mutiny or New Coke. I really think this was the writers just miserable coming back to work on three hour Raws.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 6, 2015 15:29:07 GMT -5
I agree with others that say that WWE looks at these scripts & thinks they're great. I think there is a belief that hitting the reset button w/the Authority is really over w/the fans. Heel HHH could come back for a match w/Sting as a wrestler.
I'm biased, because my two least favorite angles are "firings" & "legal". Rowan is the best one here. He's been jobbed out continually since SS, put over the young up & coming Big Show on PPV, was off TV & returned to be fired. All after being separated from a heel faction that was completely over. Awesome use of talent there WWE.
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Post by bigbadbull on Jan 6, 2015 15:39:00 GMT -5
I agree with others that say that WWE looks at these scripts & thinks they're great. I think there is a belief that hitting the reset button w/the Authority is really over w/the fans. Heel HHH could come back for a match w/Sting as a wrestler. I'm biased, because my two least favorite angles are "firings" & "legal". Rowan is the best one here. He's been jobbed out continually since SS, put over the young up & coming Big Show on PPV, was off TV & returned to be fired. All after being separated from a heel faction that was completely over. Awesome use of talent there WWE. I've rewatched the ending segment on RAW and I truly don't know what's worse: the dead crowd or the 15 minute long self-masturbatory promo from HHH and Steph? No CM Punk to walk out and change the WWE and give us what we want. WM season is upon us and there's no way the company will become "better."
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 6, 2015 15:42:17 GMT -5
As someone who thought last night's show was godawful, I understand the logic of what they were trying to accomplish. The Authority had just been reinstated, and they were abusing their power to make Team Cena's lives a living hell. It even contrasted to the night after Survivor Series, where Daniel Bryan punished all the members of Team Authority, though the "punishments" for Team Authority were much more even-handed, and didn't end with them getting fired.
It's just that we've seen this story all before back when the Authority first took power, and it wasn't even good television back then, much less now after they put in a lot of time building on the idea that they were gone. By the way, the Royal Rumble is in a few weeks, and they made almost no mention of the titular battle royal itself, despite the fact that it's such an easy storyline crutch for the next few weeks.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 6, 2015 16:01:00 GMT -5
People moan when WWE rushes through storylines, but aren't willing to wait for a longer story. This is one episode. The story won't end in a single week.
I thought Raw was fine. Not awful, not great. Just fine.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 6, 2015 16:27:50 GMT -5
As someone who thought last night's show was godawful, I understand the logic of what they were trying to accomplish. The Authority had just been reinstated, and they were abusing their power to make Team Cena's lives a living hell. It even contrasted to the night after Survivor Series, where Daniel Bryan punished all the members of Team Authority, though the "punishments" for Team Authority were much more even-handed, and didn't end with them getting fired. It's just that we've seen this story all before back when the Authority first took power, and it wasn't even good television back then, much less now after they put in a lot of time building on the idea that they were gone. By the way, the Royal Rumble is in a few weeks, and they made almost no mention of the titular battle royal itself, despite the fact that it's such an easy storyline crutch for the next few weeks. Your perception/analysis is spot on. The problem is, SS should be the blowoff for the Authority. Cena moves on to Brock, Ryback & Rusev begin feuding outside of the SS match, Ziggler & Rollins are elevated & move on to a program with each other, Harper has the IC title, Rowan should beat Big Show. A big thank you to HHH & Steph for their part in making all this happen. Instead, we hit the reset button.
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Post by bigbadbull on Jan 6, 2015 16:31:13 GMT -5
As someone who thought last night's show was godawful, I understand the logic of what they were trying to accomplish. The Authority had just been reinstated, and they were abusing their power to make Team Cena's lives a living hell. It even contrasted to the night after Survivor Series, where Daniel Bryan punished all the members of Team Authority, though the "punishments" for Team Authority were much more even-handed, and didn't end with them getting fired. It's just that we've seen this story all before back when the Authority first took power, and it wasn't even good television back then, much less now after they put in a lot of time building on the idea that they were gone. By the way, the Royal Rumble is in a few weeks, and they made almost no mention of the titular battle royal itself, despite the fact that it's such an easy storyline crutch for the next few weeks. Your perception/analysis is spot on. The problem is, SS should be the blowoff for the Authority. Cena moves on to Brock, Ryback & Rusev begin feuding outside of the SS match, Ziggler & Rollins are elevated & move on to a program with each other, Harper has the IC title, Rowan should beat Big Show. A big thank you to HHH & Steph for their part in making all this happen. Instead, we hit the reset button. We'll wait for the babyfaces to come out on top, but every week will end with HHH and Steph standing strong witht eh faces moping around like they've been grounded for week.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 6, 2015 16:52:58 GMT -5
People moan when WWE rushes through storylines, but aren't willing to wait for a longer story. This is one episode. The story won't end in a single week. I thought Raw was fine. Not awful, not great. Just fine. This story's been going on since 2013!
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