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Post by The Tee Why on Jan 6, 2015 17:19:34 GMT -5
Meh, time and place.
There's a reason why Jerry Springer and other artifacts of the 90's aren't that popular anymore.
The only thing that would work is if with this oh so glorious 3 hours, they let guys who could USE some promo time to deepen their feud/characters, talk, instead of shoehorning the same exact tag team matches as the week before, running feuds into the ground with rematches instead of building it other ways
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jan 6, 2015 17:29:00 GMT -5
Always a fun topic, and personally, in a lot of ways I do think it would work. Faster pace, more storylines, more backstage segments and promos that are actually entertaining and lively, etc.
On more specific stuff, one thing I do not miss at all is blade jobs. It never bugged me much at the time, though sometimes when HBK or Triple H are bleeding all over themselves and their opponents I'd think... hmm, this match would be better without so much of that.
So a show in the kind of fast-paced more hectic and energetic template of the Attitude Era, I think that is a win/win, for both kids and adults. As for more sex appeal etc and swearing, maybe a TV14? That'd be cool with me. I was 12-13 in 7th grade when the 98-99 part height of the Attitude Era was on, and it did't harm me! Maybe aim more for people say 12 and up instead of 5 and up or something.
As for The Godfather and the hoe-train, its cheesy sure, but why is it any more unaccaptable to have on the show than a horrific brainwashing cult with odes to Charles Manson? Isn't one a bit more harmless than the other? Call me crazy. But I know that's just one tidbit, not the bigger topic.
Long story short, I say YES! Flip the switch!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 6, 2015 17:33:25 GMT -5
Yes. Everyone had a distinct character and you didn't need to have a megapush to the upper tier to be over and credible.
Someone like Zack Ryder or Alex Riley who are charismatic but not world title material would thrive in an Attitude Era-like environment.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 6, 2015 17:42:37 GMT -5
I just watched my attitude Blu Ray the other day and while my knee-jerk reaction was to say "man, I wish they'd bring this back" I started thinking about what Attitude truly meant: scantly-clad women parading around, garbage wrestling (hardcore) drug use and prostitution and over-the-top cursing. Not something I'd let my child watch. We don't live in such a society anymore (this was a world were the Jerry Spring show was popular) but are there any aspects of the Attitude era that would work in 2015? *obligatory HHH joke to get it out of the way Those aren't the only things that defined the attitude era. I think it would work and it would be almost fool proof. Mind you, I'm only talking about moving the focus away from the kiddies and aiming for the young adult crowd. Less safe corporate environment and more storytelling freedom. I know it will never happen. It's like wanting Rat Pack era Vegas back. |
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jan 6, 2015 17:46:53 GMT -5
But, you know what, no matter what the WWE does, all of us in our mid-to-late 30s simply aren't going to react the same way we did 15 years ago. It aimed for the college demographic - which I was a part of - and it was one big party. That party's over. I guess the new crop of 19-25 year olds can love it like we did, though. Nothing is over! Nothing! Raw is WAR, you don't just turn it off! John Rambo said that once I believe, and I'm 28 so that makes me in limbo between those demographics  . |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 6, 2015 18:01:50 GMT -5
Those aren't the only things that defined the attitude era. I think it would work and it would be almost fool proof. Mind you, I'm only talking about moving the focus away from the kiddies and aiming for the young adult crowd. Less safe corporate environment and more storytelling freedom. I know it will never happen. It's like wanting Rat Pack era Vegas back. This is the answer I was fishing for. But, how, in 2015, do you zero in that audience? In the 90s, it was Crash TV. What is the equivalent today? You're asking the wrong guy. I'm 41. But I guess trying to make it look like a real sport again. Get a guy like JR. Press conferences, stats, letting real personalities shine through, bring back managers but call them agents, let some salty language through, have guys trash talk each other and have heated feuds. I don't want to get too specific but you know, just present it as more of a sport and less of a kids variety show. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 18:04:48 GMT -5
I have always been curious how a wrestling company would really use win/loss records. I know Gabe Sapolsky has tried several different versions in his companies but it never really stuck too long. How do you use that sort of statistic and still run WWE as that implies you have to do some sort of planning who wins when or else you try and push a guy for a title and he has a 39 - 80 record and looks like a schmuck.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 6, 2015 18:13:08 GMT -5
Meh, time and place. There's a reason why Jerry Springer and other artifacts of the 90's aren't that popular anymore. Yeah, hell look at South Park. If it had been the same show that it started as, it would have been long cancelled by now. They evolved and added a lot more social satire, and have gotten numerous awards for it. |
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Post by deancubed on Jan 6, 2015 18:54:29 GMT -5
To be honest, todays young adults don't watch TV, they watch Youtube. Get Smosh, Kyle Higa, or Jenna Marbles to host RAW, or have the Epic Rap Battles guys host a rap battle between superstars. Get the WWE stars guest spots on these Youtube shows. Pay for some WWE themed Minecraft DLC.
Granted, WWE is trying to do things like this in small ways, like Grumpy Cat, and in one big way with the Network being the future primary way to watch WWE. The 2K team is doing the cell phone card game thing well.
But the good news is that they nowadays tend to focus less on celebrities like Kathy Lee Gifford and more on bigger names, like the upcoming Modern Family cast and big movie stars like Hugh Jackman, Aaron Paul, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Kevin Hart.
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 6, 2015 19:21:21 GMT -5
A new Attitude Era? No. They'd just complain that it's not the old Attitude Era. And this is coming from someone who actually enjoyed the new Attitude Era DVD.
We just need a new era entirely.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 6, 2015 19:27:34 GMT -5
Like the previous one? No. Making the product current like they did back then to today's standards,? Yes.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 19:30:50 GMT -5
Like the previous one? No. Making the product current like they did back then to today's standards,? Yes. Cue wrestlers posting on Instagram, Twitter, and Tumblr while wrestling in matches or cutting in ring promos. |
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 6, 2015 19:34:39 GMT -5
Like the previous one? No. Making the product current like they did back then to today's standards,? Yes. Cue wrestlers posting on Instagram, Twitter, and Tumblr while wrestling in matches or cutting in ring promos. The hilarity of that actually appeals to me. This really needs to be Tyson Kidd's gimmick. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 19:37:39 GMT -5
Cue wrestlers posting on Instagram, Twitter, and Tumblr while wrestling in matches or cutting in ring promos. The hilarity of that actually appeals to me. This really needs to be Tyson Kidd's gimmick. He could record Vines during his matches. Kidd's nickname will be the Millennial Man. |
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Jan 6, 2015 20:44:40 GMT -5
Of course it could work, it all depends on execution and thats the part that would prevent it from being successful. The over-reliance on scripted promos and the overwhelming fear the company seems have to in respect to letting guys grow is what would prevent it from being a success. Another part to keep in mind is that Attitude was out of Vince's comfort zone. He only "went there" because he felt he had to, but I believe with Trips being such a key component backstage now would help alleviate some of that.
PG WWE could also work and we could have it a lot better than we do now, but again, its up to the "powers that be" to allow guys to grow their characters organically than rely on canned garbage that always sounds the same.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jan 6, 2015 21:18:01 GMT -5
Always a fun topic, and personally, in a lot of ways I do think it would work. Faster pace, more storylines, more backstage segments and promos that are actually entertaining and lively, etc. On more specific stuff, one thing I do not miss at all is blade jobs. It never bugged me much at the time, though sometimes when HBK or Triple H are bleeding all over themselves and their opponents I'd think... hmm, this match would be better without so much of that. So a show in the kind of fast-paced more hectic and energetic template of the Attitude Era, I think that is a win/win, for both kids and adults. As for more sex appeal etc and swearing, maybe a TV14? That'd be cool with me. I was 12-13 in 7th grade when the 98-99 part height of the Attitude Era was on, and it did't harm me! Maybe aim more for people say 12 and up instead of 5 and up or something. As for The Godfather and the hoe-train, its cheesy sure, but why is it any more unaccaptable to have on the show than a horrific brainwashing cult with odes to Charles Manson? Isn't one a bit more harmless than the other? Call me crazy. But I know that's just one tidbit, not the bigger topic. Long story short, I say YES! Flip the switch! I don't know if I agree with all you've said, although they definitely could turn in up a notch (like to a 1991 WWF level, which was way edgier than modern WWE without gratuitous violence and sex), but I definitely agree that I'd love to see the fast pace of the Attitude Era return. That's one of the reasons that the show is such a drag now; everything moves at a snail's pace. They book the storylines like it's 1994 and they have 2 hours of meaningful TV each week and 5 ppvs, when they have 6 hours of original programming every week and PPVs every month. One of the things that made Raw must-see-TV for wresting fans is that it moved at lightning speed. If you missed a Raw, you missed a ton. Every week something monumental happened and things didn't stay the same for long. It always blows my mind to think that Wrestlemania XIV is only 4 and a half months after the Montreal Screwjob. It feels like 5 years had passed. Heck, it feels like there should have been 10 years between Wrestlemania 14 and Wrestlemania 13. Now think to today when Raw is almost indistinguishable from any random Raw from 3 years ago. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 6, 2015 21:21:03 GMT -5
No, it was very much of the moment but there are things they could learn from that era like having creative work with talent rather than against them as you're not going to win over by new fans by running down the guys they cheer for in favor of pet projects. Austin wasn't their first choice, Shawn Michaels, Hunter Hearst Helmsley and Marc Mero were ahead of him in the pecking order, but they didn't make him into a 'krazy' character when he started to take off, they put him against the biggest names they had who could build him up and make him look like a star. You may not win millions of new fans overnight with a consistent push for decent talent, but you could slow the churn rate and see gradual, steady growth as people are less likely to just give up than they are when the see people they like get thrown under the bus time and time again.
If you could make money by working against the fans, cutting people's legs out from under them and making them into comedy characters in favor of a management project du jour, TNA would be a close second to the WWE now, rather than destined for TV hell on Destination America.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jan 6, 2015 21:26:10 GMT -5
People live, absolutely f***ing LIVE, to be personally offended and complain about stuff on Facebook and Twitter just to have their illiterate, meaningless opinion heard. If WWE pulled half the stuff they once did they would receive nothing but complaints and outrage. It won't happen.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 6, 2015 21:29:10 GMT -5
People live, absolutely f***ing LIVE, to be personally offended and complain about stuff on Facebook and Twitter just to have their illiterate, meaningless opinion heard. If WWE pulled half the stuff they once did they would receive nothing but complaints and outrage. It won't happen. There is no such thing as bad press. Controversy creates cash. |
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jan 6, 2015 21:31:10 GMT -5
People live, absolutely f***ing LIVE, to be personally offended and complain about stuff on Facebook and Twitter just to have their illiterate, meaningless opinion heard. If WWE pulled half the stuff they once did they would receive nothing but complaints and outrage. It won't happen. There is no such thing as bad press. Controversy creates cash. Tell that to Dapper Laughs. (Look him up if you've never heard of him). |
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