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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 8, 2015 2:45:38 GMT -5
This one is tough man. I have literally defended freedom of speech among other liberties we sometimes take for granted. I have been up against a$$hat shithead terrorists and they don't often stick around to trade mags once we show up. They'd rather attack an easy mark like an undefended office like today, a school, a bus stop, a mall or a club. The tough part is the writers were warned by would be attackers for a long time. They took no precaution against it. When we receive a threat we make ourselves a hard target. They were brave to stand their ground and keep writing. I just wish they'd have buttoned up the front door. Making circulation control and single point of entry policy makes you a harder target and terrorist might look elsewhere for an easier mark. I hope two things come out of this: more cartoonists standing up and not stopping and those that do protect themselves. That does not have to mean armed guards. Do things to make your place safe There was an armed cop as security. He didn't even have time to draw his gun before they killed him and as DevonDragon pointed out, they had an electronic door but they forced a female cartoonist, who was with her little girl (both of whom thankfully managed to escape unscatched), to open it. What can you do against trained nutjobs with freaking assault rifles?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 8, 2015 3:01:27 GMT -5
This one is tough man. I have literally defended freedom of speech among other liberties we sometimes take for granted. I have been up against a$$hat shithead terrorists and they don't often stick around to trade mags once we show up. They'd rather attack an easy mark like an undefended office like today, a school, a bus stop, a mall or a club. The tough part is the writers were warned by would be attackers for a long time. They took no precaution against it. When we receive a threat we make ourselves a hard target. They were brave to stand their ground and keep writing. I just wish they'd have buttoned up the front door. Making circulation control and single point of entry policy makes you a harder target and terrorist might look elsewhere for an easier mark. I hope two things come out of this: more cartoonists standing up and not stopping and those that do protect themselves. That does not have to mean armed guards. Do things to make your place safe There was an armed cop as security. He didn't even have time to draw his gun before they killed him and as DevonDragon pointed out, they had an electronic door but they forced a female cartoonist, who was with her little girl (both of whom thankfully managed to escape unscatched), to open it. What can you do against trained nutjobs with freaking assault rifles? The answer to that has been told to me on Facebook. Bless those that immediately jump on tragedy to push their personal agendas. By bless I mean I wish they'd go play in traffic.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jan 8, 2015 3:03:57 GMT -5
This has to stop
I don't know how, I wish I did but I don't, but it needs to end
Cause quite frankly we are seriously getting sick of your bullshit.
The world doesn't need scum like this.. Just f*** off.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 8, 2015 3:17:10 GMT -5
This has to stop I don't know how, I wish I did but I don't, but it needs to end Cause quite frankly we are seriously getting sick of your bullshit. The world doesn't need scum like this.. Just f*** off. There always has been scum like this, and always will be as long as there are ways to divide society.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Jan 8, 2015 5:55:19 GMT -5
Absolutely horrendous.
As has been mentioned, this needs to stop. But this is different from regular criminal activity. (Not sure if this counts as too political) I generally do believe in harsher punishments as deterrents, but in this case it wouldn't work. These nuts are already prepared to die for their "cause", what punishment is going to strike fear in them?
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 8, 2015 6:19:00 GMT -5
Apparently a cop was shot and killed earlier today by somebody resembling one of the suspects. I just read this on CNN.com as breaking news, but I am unsure of it's actually new or not. It's weird over here with the time difference. I get old news as breaking news sometimes.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2015 6:37:45 GMT -5
Absolutely horrendous. As has been mentioned, this needs to stop. But this is different from regular criminal activity. (Not sure if this counts as too political) I generally do believe in harsher punishments as deterrents, but in this case it wouldn't work. These nuts are already prepared to die for their "cause", what punishment is going to strike fear in them? A mundane punishment strikes fear into them. Being treated as a rank and file prisoner, facing four concrete walls and eating prison issue shit from a metal plate. Same old routine day in and day out. The key is to not lionise these guys in any way shape or form, but to punish them in as boring and mind numbing banality as possible. They want to be regarded as brave warriors fighting for a faith. They are terrified of being "Prisoner 3749, E-wing"
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Jan 8, 2015 6:56:13 GMT -5
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Post by ICBM on Jan 8, 2015 8:28:21 GMT -5
There was an armed cop as security. He didn't even have time to draw his gun before they killed him and as DevonDragon pointed out, they had an electronic door but they forced a female cartoonist, who was with her little girl (both of whom thankfully managed to escape unscatched), to open it. What can you do against trained nutjobs with freaking assault rifles? The answer to that has been told to me on Facebook. Bless those that immediately jump on tragedy to push their personal agendas. By bless I mean I wish they'd go play in traffic. Yep. Within hours I saw a meme depicting the smart phone cameraman with a first person shooter style gif transposed onto it. It placed an AK in his hands and said something about if you can carry a camera during an active shooter assault you can carry a rifle. Arming the world is not the answer. My views on guns are mine and don't matter in this case. The almost immediate politicization on social media of any tragedy is sickening. Literally as the Boston marathon bombing was being initially reported several friends posted "False Flag! False Flag!" And they were blocked right away.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 8, 2015 8:53:13 GMT -5
There needs to be tougher measures against terrorist. No more treating them with kids gloves.
If your caught and proven to be planning, plotting, raising funds for or having carried out terrorist attacks it needs to be life in prison. As in actual life; you're in there until you die. Solitary confinement so they can't corrupt/brainwash any other prisoners there. Get tough on it and stamp it. No more arresting someone for raising funds for terrorism and letting them out on the streets 5 years later. Not the death penalty because that is what they want. Just 24 hours a day for the rest of their life sat in a blank cell with no TV, no books, no music. Nothing. Mind-numbing boredom for the rest of their life.
Likewise any place of worship caught preaching and encouraging hatred needs closing down. f*** freedom of speech laws. I'm all for freedom of speech but NOT when they are abusing the priveledge to encourage and influence the murder of innocents. You preach hatred; you should be closed down. Whether it's a Mosque whose preachers are encouraging their worshippers to become a martyr OR the nutters in Westboro Baptist church preaching hatred towards gays. All hatred needs stamping out and the only way to do it imo is by shutting down the places where idiots are preaching their garbage.
Finally, anyone who has travelled abroad to fight for ISIS or can be proven to have travelled abroad for terror training needs their passport revoked. No ifs or buts or arguing. You go over there for training or to fight with lunatics chopping people's heads off in the desert, you're too much of a risk to be allowed into a civilised country.
It's time to get tough because this shit has been going on for too long.
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Post by Renslayer on Jan 8, 2015 10:15:51 GMT -5
Since the shooting, mosques across France have been getting firebombed
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 8, 2015 10:31:33 GMT -5
Apparently a cop was shot and killed earlier today by somebody resembling one of the suspects. I just read this on CNN.com as breaking news, but I am unsure of it's actually new or not. It's weird over here with the time difference. I get old news as breaking news sometimes. The person did not match the description of either terrorist but he escaped. There is so far no indication that the two shootings are related, although it does seem like an insane coincidence, especially considering gun crime is so low over here (and the guy wasn't packing small calibre, self-defence stuff either, apparently he used an automatic weapon). In other news, the Kouachi brothers were spotted by a fuel station attendant who was mugged by them so the police is on their trail but very careful as they are heavily armed. And yeah, as Gojira brought up, the Charlie Hebdo survivors have confirmed that they will release their next issue as scheduled althought it will only be 8 pages unlike the usual 16, which is made possible thanks to the huge amount of support they received from other news agencies who offered to lend them computers, supplies and even artists and writers if necessary. Thanks to that support, they will be able to print 1 000 000 copies of the issue, which absolutely amazing seeing how they usually publish about 30 000 copies a week. The most ironic thing is that Charlie Hebdo was going through financial trouble and may have gone bankrupt before long. Now, because of this attack, people have bought their latest issue in support so much that it sold out entirely, people are buying subscriptions in droves just to support them and as I just mentioned, the next issue will print the highest number of copies in its existence and not only that, but overnight Charlie Hebdo went from semi-obscure cult paper known only in one country to a world-wide symbol of freedom. So for people who were trying to kill the paper, they did a fantastic job making them immortal.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2015 10:39:14 GMT -5
That's part of the goal of the extremists. To trigger conflict between the West and Muslims in general. Really, the conflict is between civilised people vs extremists.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 8, 2015 12:28:42 GMT -5
That's part of the goal of the extremists. To trigger conflict between the West and Muslims in general. Really, the conflict is between civilised people vs extremists. Hit the nail right on the head. Some people bombed a f***ing kebab restaurant (thankfully without making any victim). Yeah, I'm sure the guy making sandwiches is totally responsible for Islamist terrorism. F***ing extremists. If they're so keen on murdering people, why can't they just wipe each-other out and leave the rest of the World in peace?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 8, 2015 12:47:51 GMT -5
By murdering people in an attempt to silence their satire, it has only made the images that offended them so to spread across the world in defiance of their campaign of fear.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 8, 2015 12:57:43 GMT -5
I honestly can't understand what warps these peoples minds into thinking they're fighting the good fight.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2015 13:02:00 GMT -5
That's part of the goal of the extremists. To trigger conflict between the West and Muslims in general. Really, the conflict is between civilised people vs extremists. Hit the nail right on the head. Some people bombed a f***ing kebab restaurant (thankfully without making any victim). Yeah, I'm sure the guy making sandwiches is totally responsible for Islamist terrorism. F***ing extremists. If they're so keen on murdering people, why can't they just wipe each-other out and leave the rest of the World in peace? These guys define themselves through violence. They wouldn't know what to do with themselves in peacetime. It should also be noted that these "Islamic extremists" also hate other Muslims. Muslims tend to be the most common victims of Islamic extremism. The Pakistan school attack was an example of this. As I said before, these people just like to kill. While it is true that many religious books like the Quran and the Bible do contain fiery rhetoric about "infidels" and "unbelievers", they are no more or less violent than the Fenian Cycles and Nordic mythologies. All ancient texts tend to be violent because they reflect the time they were written in, which were full of sword/shield bloodshed.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 8, 2015 13:39:52 GMT -5
Since the shooting, mosques across France have been getting firebombed I just heard about that, and like, that's f***ed. I know there wasn't a bombing, but after the attack in Ottawa, one Mosque in Cold Lake, Alberta was vandalized, but quickly fixed by the community as a show of solidarity. You can't fight terrorism with more terrorism, geez louise.
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Post by Square on Jan 8, 2015 13:41:11 GMT -5
I honestly can't understand what warps these peoples minds into thinking they're fighting the good fight. Fear, anger and paranoia are a dangerous cocktail
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Post by Prince Petty on Jan 8, 2015 16:00:19 GMT -5
That's part of the goal of the extremists. To trigger conflict between the West and Muslims in general. Really, the conflict is between civilised people vs extremists. Hit the nail right on the head. Some people bombed a f***ing kebab restaurant (thankfully without making any victim). Yeah, I'm sure the guy making sandwiches is totally responsible for Islamist terrorism. F***ing extremists. If they're so keen on murdering people, why can't they just wipe each-other out and leave the rest of the World in peace? This is exactly what these vermin hope to accomplish. They want to spread fear and hate, so reprisals are made against innocent Muslims, which may in turn turn more of those innocent Muslims down the path to radicalisation. They are happy to sacrifice the lives of their fellow Muslims for their cause, and it sickens me. I've seen a lot of condemnation from the Islamic world over these attacks, and that's all well and good, but I think it's time for a stronger show of unity with those who would prefer freedom and pluralism over an enforced rule of fear and oppression and religious dogma. The Muslim world needs to expose these people, whether they be the shiftless young man who posts on extremist forums, or the millionaire oilman who funds terrorist groups. The only way that they will ever be defeated is for all of their allies, including those who are complicit because they do nothing, to turn on them. These extremists are users and opportunists, preying on the weak and vulnerable, taking advantage of familial and community ties to escape the attention of the authorities. Yet you know that if they were pressured, they would turn on those family and community members in an instant. Because anyone who doesn't fully embrace the jihadist ideals is no better than an apostate, and should be killed anyway.
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