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Post by wrestlingrecap on Jan 8, 2015 6:32:14 GMT -5
I've always be curious about this timeframe. I recently watched several house shows from '89 and there are a few matches involving Bossman and Hogan. They are some damn good matches that also saw a few cage matches and Bossman looked like he could have been a serious heel threat had he not been fed to Hogan.
My question is, did anyone believe in Bossman at the time? Do you think he would have been a good draw for a couple of years at the top before moving down the card? Seems like he was a victim of the era were he got a few loops around the country with Hogan and quickly went down the ranks.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jan 8, 2015 7:34:19 GMT -5
WeIl can only speak retroactively (I was only 2 at the time). But Bossman and Hogan had a long secondary angle. On the Brother Love Show, Bossman handcuffed Hogan to the guardrail and beat the hell out of him with the nightstick leading to a 6 month house show run and the Mega Powers vs Twin Towers TV storyline. From what I've read (mostly excerpts from Meltzer) the Hogan/Bossman house show run was very successful and was one of their biggest money feuds of that era. It did way better than Savage in the other cities with the belt.
I don't think Bossman was ever too far from the top. He had a long feud with Dusty Rhodes after Hogan. After that he turned face, blew off the Twin Towers at Mania and had a 6 month house show feud with Dibiase. Then he had a 6-8 month feud with the Heenan Family. That's all main event level stuff for that era. Back then, Hogan was THE draw, but there were always 1-2 other feuds that also main evented around the house show loop and were given focus on the TV shows. I think Bossman was pretty much in that group for quite some time. At least til The Mountie feud.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 8, 2015 7:35:41 GMT -5
I think it was A) To keep Hogan busy between big PPV matches and B: To give Bossman the rub of feuding with Hogan.
Bossman was a bit heavier around that time (he did drop some weight over the next year or so) bvut he was really agile for a big guy. I think he often gets overlooked whenever good big men are discussed.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 8, 2015 8:48:16 GMT -5
Bossman was a victim? Just don't ever say that if you ever come down to Cobb County, Georgia.
You'll be doing hard time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 9:15:07 GMT -5
I don't think Bossman was really fed to Hogan. When I think of guys who were fed to Hogan, I think more of Kamala, Sika, Killer Khan and the assorted heels who Hogan bullied through on SNME or big house shows. Bossman and Hogan had a bonafide feud that went on for several months. It was similar to when Hogan feuded with Earthquake in '90 while Warrior wore the belt.
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Post by Dean-o on Jan 8, 2015 10:51:41 GMT -5
Bossman was a victim? Just don't ever say that if you ever come down to Cobb County, Georgia. You'll be doing hard time. Nailz was the true victim! |
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 8, 2015 13:41:30 GMT -5
I think it was A) To keep Hogan busy between big PPV matches and B: To give Bossman the rub of feuding with Hogan. Bossman was a bit heavier around that time (he did drop some weight over the next year or so) bvut he was really agile for a big guy. I think he often gets overlooked whenever good big men are discussed. Traylor was awesome as Bubba or Bossman. His matches with Vader were fun as hell. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 8, 2015 15:19:03 GMT -5
Bossman, especially during this era, wasn't fed to anyone or slip down any on the roster.
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Post by wrestlingrecap on Jan 8, 2015 15:39:31 GMT -5
I think what I was trying to get at was if Bossman had actually pinned Hogan during the feud, would he had been an ideal heel for everyone? Personally, I thought he was great and had he gotten a big win over Hogan, clean or not, when the feud was over he would have been able to maintain a main event role as a heel.
Sure, he remained high on the card eventually going after the IC Title, but even as a face he never broke through to the main scene, which I think in 1991 he should have. Honestly, Hogan & Bossman in the SummerSlam main event that year would have been enormous for him.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 8, 2015 17:53:10 GMT -5
Bossman was a clear #3 or #4 babyface behind Hogan and Warrior going into late 1990 and early 1991. Jake's popularity was slipping a bit with the Martel feud.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:35:15 GMT -5
I think what I was trying to get at was if Bossman had actually pinned Hogan during the feud, would he had been an ideal heel for everyone? Personally, I thought he was great and had he gotten a big win over Hogan, clean or not, when the feud was over he would have been able to maintain a main event role as a heel. Sure, he remained high on the card eventually going after the IC Title, but even as a face he never broke through to the main scene, which I think in 1991 he should have. Honestly, Hogan & Bossman in the SummerSlam main event that year would have been enormous for him. Main event heel? Probably not. I think Bossman was best used in the capacity that he was actually used. I don't ever see him as a main event guy, babyface or heel. |
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 8, 2015 20:04:56 GMT -5
Didn't he have to tone down his stiffness to work with Hogan? I saw him as Big Bubba against Dr Death in person as a kid & it made me think it was completely real.
He had the typical cup of coffee in the ME against Hogan as a heel.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 8, 2015 20:13:01 GMT -5
Didn't he have to tone down his stiffness to work with Hogan? I saw him as Big Bubba against Dr Death in person as a kid & it made me think it was completely real. Well, you're talking about a still-rookie Bubba who didn't know yet what he was doing and Dr. Death, who didn't know anything that wasn't stiff. |
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 8, 2015 20:20:30 GMT -5
Didn't he have to tone down his stiffness to work with Hogan? I saw him as Big Bubba against Dr Death in person as a kid & it made me think it was completely real. Well, you're talking about a still-rookie Bubba who didn't know yet what he was doing and Dr. Death, who didn't know anything that wasn't stiff. I think the boys in UWF encouraged it. You had Duggan, Gordy, Dr Death, Bill Irwin, a young Rick Steiner, Dick Murdoch. I'll never forget the Sam Houston/Terry Taylor match which went on before them looking like a pillow fight in comparison. |
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 8, 2015 20:27:53 GMT -5
Bossman had a great feud with Hulk and it lasted several months. I think it started around Sept or Oct 88 and I don't think anyone really beat up Hulk like Bossman did, since Bundy. Bossman was a newcomer and after only a few months made a big impact. The fued continued into Royal Rumble and they had a few extra matches past WrestleMania and he was still a fairly big threat. The cage match essentially ended the feud while it started the Zeus feud.
Even though Bossman had a few lower card feuds (compared to Hulk), he was still a big deal up until mid to late 1992. He had been around for over four years and I guess the old guard was making way for the newer "generation." He even did well in WCW for the first years or two, until he kept getting revolving heel gimmicks. For whatever reason, he seems to be overlooked as one of the great charactes/performers of the times.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 9, 2015 1:04:26 GMT -5
Hogan quickly grew to enjoy working with Big Boss Man as he was so good at bumping for Hogan. Of course they had been feuding going back to 1988 with the Mega Powers vs. Twin Towers feud.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 9, 2015 3:17:35 GMT -5
Bossman was a clear #3 or #4 babyface behind Hogan and Warrior going into late 1990 and early 1991. Jake's popularity was slipping a bit with the Martel feud. I wouldn't say he was #4, he was the number 3 face. It didn't take him long to surpass Jake for the number 3 spot. Damn shame he's not in the WWE Hall of Fame. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 9, 2015 3:39:40 GMT -5
Bossman was a victim? Just don't ever say that if you ever come down to Cobb County, Georgia. You'll be doing hard time. Nailz was the true victim! It's my longheld belief Nailz told the truth. Bossman entered the WWF as exactly the guy Nailz was saying he was, but since he was face at the time, they acted like this was totally impossible. Had the angle happened during the Attitude Era, we'd have likely got the reveal Nailz was telling the truth all along. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 10:12:31 GMT -5
Nailz was the true victim! It's my longheld belief Nailz told the truth. Bossman entered the WWF as exactly the guy Nailz was saying he was, but since he was face at the time, they acted like this was totally impossible. Had the angle happened during the Attitude Era, we'd have likely got the reveal Nailz was telling the truth all along. Bossman only beat prisoners because Slick told him to. Nailz' beef was with Slick, but then again it was the devil who told Slick to tell Bossman to beat prisoners. Since Slick had become a preacher, you couldn't really blame him either. I guess it all goes back to the devil being at fault. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 9, 2015 15:28:08 GMT -5
Bossman was a clear #3 or #4 babyface behind Hogan and Warrior going into late 1990 and early 1991. Jake's popularity was slipping a bit with the Martel feud. I wouldn't say he was #4, he was the number 3 face. It didn't take him long to surpass Jake for the number 3 spot. Damn shame he's not in the WWE Hall of Fame. Agreed. I'm the first one to say that not everyone deserved a belt, but I think Bossman would have been a pretty solid IC Champion |
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