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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 15, 2015 7:27:00 GMT -5
I was linked to a match recently of Hulk Hogan and Sting vs Ric Flair and Arn Anderson.
Sting was cheered, being a face and all, but his face tag partner? Hogan was booed pretty heavily! I think there were chants of "Hogan sucks" and a fan ripped up one of Hulk's bandanas.
Of course Hulk was still in the red and yellow at this time, doing the same old stale routine he'd perfected and peaked with in the 1980s.
WWF red and yellow Hogan was this massive cartoon character. WCW red and yellow Hulk was the same old hat, but now in an older, less cartoonishly massive body.
Of course, the fans were sick of Hogan by this point, he'd been on top for almost a decade and a half. He either had to change, or go away. He changed, reinvented himself and stayed relevant.
Can any of you please kindly point me to some other good examples of lame red and yellow Hogan in his 94-96 face run being booed as a face?
What did you think of Hogan at this time?
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 15, 2015 7:35:28 GMT -5
Found this': Hogan's peak was 87, popular started to decline around 89. After he lost to warrior at WM 90, he was still the most popular guy on the roster (way more than the warrior and much bigger draw), but the bloom was off the rose by then. By 1991, still a favorite, but dwindling throughout the year By 1992, fans weren't really feeling me, merchandise and business was down, so him and Vince decided he needed a break so he left. They tried to develop new stars, it didn't work Hogan came back in 1993, and fans had moved on by then in the WWE In WCW Hogan was a huge draw when he was there from the jump. He was never as over with live WCW crowds like he was in the WWE but he was popular. But he was selling hella merchandise and PPVs and live attendance went through the roof, so nobody cared that the reaction when he came out wasn't crazy Then that started to tapper off around mid 1995...If you remember, he had a mini heel-ish/tweener turn late 1995. He started wearing all black and saying he couldn't trust Sting and Luger and Savage. That was just a test to see how people would reacy www.thecoli.com/threads/any-evidence-that-hogan-was-booed-before-his-heel-turn.52887/page-3
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 15, 2015 7:36:23 GMT -5
They were starting to get tired before that even. People were cheering like crazy when Sid elimmed him at the 92 Rumble.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 15, 2015 7:38:24 GMT -5
Yeah true.
Found this match of darkside Hulk
WCW Sting vs Hulk Hogan (Nitro 11-20-1995)
They booed the shit out of him.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Jan 15, 2015 8:52:56 GMT -5
I watched a Kevin Sullivan shoot about 2-3 weeks ago and he talked about how Hogan was getting booed almost everywhere WCW went. It was at the point that Hogan used his creative control to refuse to do a program with anyone that did a "serious" character because he was afraid of being booed.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 15, 2015 9:11:06 GMT -5
Hogan was getting heel heat since the Mega Powers breakup. Just WWF was killed any sounds of displeasement post production. By the time Bret Hart and the New Generation took over the main event spot, it couldn't be denied. Listen to the crowd cheer when Yokozuna beat Hogan for the WWF title. By the time Hogan showed up in WCW, he was already hated by the WCW diehards. Especially when Sting, Flair, and Vader took a backseat to him. WCW tried to act like it didn't exist but it got louder and louder the more the Hulkster got mega pushed. Turning heel just relieved WCW the burden of acting like he wasn't being booed.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 15, 2015 9:16:10 GMT -5
Hogan was getting heel heat since the Mega Powers breakup. Just WWF was killed any sounds of displeasement post production. By the time Bret Hart and the New Generation took over the main event spot, it couldn't be denied. Listen to the crowd cheer when Yokozuna beat Hogan for the WWF title. By the time Hogan showed up in WCW, he was already hated by the WCW diehards. Especially when Sting, Flair, and Vader took a backseat to him. WCW tried to act like it didn't exist but it got louder and louder the more the Hulkster got mega pushed. Turning heel just relieved WCW the burden of acting like he wasn't being booed. True, but I do recall Hulk's first match with Flair in WCW blowing the roof of the place in terms of cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 11:56:53 GMT -5
Hogan drew a lot more fans to those WCW shows, and most of them were probably cheering him. You could still hear a lot of cheers for Flair breaking through, and the crowd showed their loyalty to Sting over Hogan time and time again. '94 was a strong year for WCW, even before Hogan showed up. It seems like a lot of reluctance from WCW fans to embrace Hogan and his entourage, almost like they were the visiting team coming in and making the home team look bush league.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 15, 2015 18:14:06 GMT -5
I remember thinking that the Dungeon of Doom shaving his mustache was the most heinous thing ever. I didn't even knw if I could still be a Hulkamaniac after that.
Although I always enjoyed Hogan as a face (since I was like under 10 during this time), there was one Hogan thing even I couldn't stomach. Thunder in Paradise. When even a nine year old who had been a Hogan fan since before he could remember wwon't watch a show starring him you know it's BAD.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 16, 2015 15:53:24 GMT -5
Kevin Sullivan talked about this a lot, and one thing he mentioned weeks ago on his podcast was that he felt Hogan didn't have the confidence he had before, like he isn't standing as tall in his promos. And a good contrast to him is Randy Savage, who I mentioned before, seemed to want to work with young guys. Hogan wanted to work with guys he felt more comfortable with like John Tenta and Meng, where as Savage would work with guys like Chris Benoit and Hugh Morris.
Kevin has said that he felt Hogan should have been heel but needed to get his confidence, hence the creative control.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 17, 2015 0:59:23 GMT -5
Hogan drew a lot more fans to those WCW shows, and most of them were probably cheering him. You could still hear a lot of cheers for Flair breaking through, and the crowd showed their loyalty to Sting over Hogan time and time again. '94 was a strong year for WCW, even before Hogan showed up. It seems like a lot of reluctance from WCW fans to embrace Hogan and his entourage, almost like they were the visiting team coming in and making the home team look bush league. Came in to say this. The fans who bought WCW tickets and ordered their pay-per-views were worried their home-grown talent would be pushed down the card, and didn't like a WWF guy coming in to be the savior of the company. You can really say the same thing about the Cena hate. Fans were fine with him on Smackdown, then they turned on him once he came to Raw-first he jobbed Jericho out of the company, then was doing the same thing to Angle when he was beloved, despite being a heel (this was when he did the infamous "I could make Jesus tap" promo).
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